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BATFE Revises Form 4473
NRA - ILA ^ | 8/31/2007 | NA

Posted on 08/31/2007 7:09:52 PM PDT by neverdem

The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives has issued a revised form 4473 which must be used as of Sept. 1, 2007

Read About It: BATFE (PDF link)


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FY-07-09 For Immediate Release Contacts: Thomas Klein//Kathryn Mattingly Aug. 30, 2007 (202) 927-8500

ATF REVISES FEDERAL FIREARMS TRANSACTION RECORD FORM WASHINGTON – The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives

(ATF) reminds federal firearms licensees that effective Sept. 1 they must use the revised Firearms Transaction Record Part I – Over-the-Counter (ATF Form 4473).

“In the immediate aftermath of the tragic events at Virginia Tech in April, many questions arose about whether the person responsible was prohibited under federal law from possessing a firearm and how the shooter passed the background check required before purchasing the two firearms used,” said ATF Acting Director Michael J. Sullivan. “ATF is clarifying this form in an effort to make it clear that any person who has been found by a court board or other lawful authority to be a danger to self or others is prohibited from purchasing a firearm or ammunition.”

The form clarifies the question regarding “mental defectives” and incorporates the definitions of this term set forth in the regulations, 27 CFR 478.11. The revision also incorporates certain provisions of the Violence Against Women and Department of Justice Reauthorization Act of 2005 (Public Law 109-162) by adding “tribal offense” and “Tribal Law” to the definition of Misdemeanor Crime of Domestic Violence.

ATF is a principal law enforcement agency within the U.S. Department of Justice dedicated to preventing terrorism, reducing violent crime and protecting our nation. The men and women of ATF perform the dual responsibilities of enforcing federal criminal laws and regulating the firearms and explosives industries. More information on ATF and its programs and resources is at www.atf.gov.

1 posted on 08/31/2007 7:09:52 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

Yes, and the purchaser will dutifully answer the question truthfully.


2 posted on 08/31/2007 7:12:16 PM PDT by Westbrook
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To: neverdem

They have come a long way from a tax collection agency. Leave it to the government to just grow and infringe, grow and infringe. Give them an inch and they will take a mile and never stop to look back.


3 posted on 08/31/2007 7:35:32 PM PDT by therut
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To: Westbrook

The way it works here Florida is that the buyer completes the 4473. The FFL then reviews the form to determine if the the buyer is not prohibited from purchasing a firearm. Then the FFL makes a call-in background check with the Florida Department of Law Enforcement(FDLE). If the buyer is denied then the FFL can not transfer the firearm. After 30 days (the appeal time) the local law enforcement agency who has jurisdiction where the purchase was attempted is notified by the FDLE and they pick up the form 4473 and investigate the buyer for lying on the form which is a federal and state felony.


4 posted on 08/31/2007 7:37:58 PM PDT by bruoz
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To: neverdem
My favorite BATF(ag)E photo:


5 posted on 08/31/2007 7:50:04 PM PDT by elkfersupper
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To: bruoz
. After 30 days (the appeal time) the local law enforcement agency who has jurisdiction where the purchase was attempted is notified by the FDLE and they pick up the form 4473 and investigate the buyer for lying on the form which is a federal and state felony.

That's IF the FDLE can find the applicant. If the applicant lied on the 4473 about eligibility to buy a gun, he/she probably also lied about their home address. I guess an applicant would leave fingerprints on the form, but would fingerprints on paper remain detectable and readable after 30 days? It seems to me that the skin oils that leave the prints would have dispersed through the paper's fibers and become so blurred by the that time that they would be almost useless.

6 posted on 08/31/2007 7:50:25 PM PDT by epow ("Let the redeemed of the LORD say so, whom he hath redeemed from the hand of the enemy;)
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To: epow
No felon is going bother filling out a BATFE form. He will either steal a gun or buy it on the black market.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

7 posted on 08/31/2007 7:52:45 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: neverdem

When did the “BATF” become the “BATFE”?


8 posted on 08/31/2007 8:38:47 PM PDT by lowbridge ("We control this House, not the parliamentarians! -Congressman Steny Hoyer (D))
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To: neverdem
by adding “tribal offense” and “Tribal Law” to the definition of Misdemeanor Crime of Domestic Violence.

Just what the heck does this mean??

"Tribal Law" is Sharia (sp) crap! Are we now under Islamic law?

9 posted on 08/31/2007 8:44:32 PM PDT by Hazcat (We won an immigration BATTLE, the WAR is not over. Be ever vigilant.)
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To: lowbridge
When did the “BATF” become the “BATFE”?

When the SecondAmendment Enforcment Commission (SEC) finally adjudicated them morally and ethically bankrupt, and forced them to put an "E" at the end of their ticker symbol.

10 posted on 08/31/2007 8:45:58 PM PDT by coloradan (Failing to protect the liberties of your enemies establishes precedents that will reach to yourself.)
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To: lowbridge
When did the “BATF” become the “BATFE”?

IIRC, when they left the Treasury and went to DOJ.

11 posted on 08/31/2007 8:47:24 PM PDT by neverdem (Call talk radio. We need a Constitutional Amendment for Congressional term limits. Let's Roll!)
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To: elkfersupper

Thanks for the pic!


12 posted on 08/31/2007 8:48:24 PM PDT by neverdem (Call talk radio. We need a Constitutional Amendment for Congressional term limits. Let's Roll!)
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To: lowbridge
When did the “BATF” become the “BATFE”?

2002.

13 posted on 08/31/2007 8:57:22 PM PDT by weaponeer
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To: elkfersupper

Not only is the barrel in his ear, but his finger is on the trigger.


14 posted on 08/31/2007 9:00:41 PM PDT by oneolcop (Take off the gloves!)
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To: neverdem; All

In the last few days some one posted a pic of an officer with an AR-15 with magazine in backwards. Please ping me with that pic.

I an having an argument with an anti gunner that will not believe me.

THANKS


15 posted on 08/31/2007 9:02:16 PM PDT by Hazcat (We won an immigration BATTLE, the WAR is not over. Be ever vigilant.)
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To: Hazcat
In the last few days some one posted a pic of an officer with an AR-15 with magazine in backwards. Please ping me with that pic.

LOL! Let me know if you find it, please?

16 posted on 08/31/2007 9:07:05 PM PDT by neverdem (Call talk radio. We need a Constitutional Amendment for Congressional term limits. Let's Roll!)
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To: neverdem

Neverdem,

It was posted in a thread in the last week or so, It was a female cop (sorry Ladies) at a stake out. You know, a newspaper photo and she had the mag in with it curving to the rear!


17 posted on 08/31/2007 9:11:03 PM PDT by Hazcat (We won an immigration BATTLE, the WAR is not over. Be ever vigilant.)
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To: neverdem; Millee; blackie
Back in the day, a billion or so years ago... Form 11 was for Class III Dealer of fully automatic weapons or selling unadulterated butter...
18 posted on 08/31/2007 9:15:05 PM PDT by Bender2 ("I've got a twisted sense of humor, and everything amuses me." RAH Beyond this Horizon)
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To: All
As to those wondering... what the hell ‘unadulterated butter’ is...

got to http://www.greens.org.nz/searchdocs/PR4401.html

The Kewis get it!

19 posted on 08/31/2007 9:21:08 PM PDT by Bender2 ("I've got a twisted sense of humor, and everything amuses me." RAH Beyond this Horizon)
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To: goldstategop
No felon is going bother filling out a BATFE form. He will either steal a gun or buy it on the black market.

That's generally true, but not always. When I was an FFL dealer in the early '90s I heard of applicants in that area who were turned down at other FFL dealers by the instant background check (which BTW was anything but instant in those early days of the system) because of a criminal record or a falsified yellow sheet application.

I never heard of BATF or any LE agency investigating those falsified 4473 forms, which led me to believe that prosecution in those cases may be more threat than reality, at least back at that time.

20 posted on 08/31/2007 9:36:13 PM PDT by epow ("Let the redeemed of the LORD say so, whom he hath redeemed from the hand of the enemy;)
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To: Hazcat

Native American tribes. In addition to everything else, the reservations have a big time domestic violence problem.


21 posted on 08/31/2007 9:40:03 PM PDT by Mountain Troll
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To: lowbridge; weaponeer; neverdem

In 2003, when it moved from Treasury to Justice, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms became the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives. They still call it “ATF,” though, as opposed to “ATFE.” (Answer Man has spent some time around ATF agents. They love explosives, so it’s nice to see that reflected in the name.)

Answer Man: Name That Agency
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A32537-2005Mar13_2.html


22 posted on 08/31/2007 9:43:44 PM PDT by endthematrix (He was shouting 'Allah!' but I didn't hear that. It just sounded like a lot of crap to me.)
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To: endthematrix

Thanks for the link.


23 posted on 08/31/2007 9:49:32 PM PDT by neverdem (Call talk radio. We need a Constitutional Amendment for Congressional term limits. Let's Roll!)
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To: neverdem
ATF is a principal law enforcement agency within the U.S. Department of Justice

They are tax collectors with delusions of grandeur. Or at least they *were* until they moved to DoJ. Now they don't bother with the "tax" fig leaf. They exist to violated the Constitution. They are also the very bottom of the barrel of federal law enforcement agencies,and it's a very deep barrel.

24 posted on 08/31/2007 9:57:59 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: lowbridge
When did the “BATF” become the “BATFE”?

When they were transferred to the Department of Justice, from the Treasury department. It was part of the reorganization of federal law enforcement that helped create the Homeland Security Department. On November 25, 2002, the Homeland Security Act of 2002 split the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms or BATF or, more commonly the ATF, into two different parts. The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms (BATF or ATF) was renamed the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives and was moved into the Justice Department from the Treasury Department, and is responsible for the law enforcement effort.

25 posted on 08/31/2007 10:03:26 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: Mountain Troll
Native American tribes.

Honestly I assumed that this is what they meant but the way it seems to be worded thay left the door wide open.

26 posted on 08/31/2007 10:30:47 PM PDT by Hazcat (We won an immigration BATTLE, the WAR is not over. Be ever vigilant.)
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To: Bender2

Close the BAFTE, immediately!!!


27 posted on 09/01/2007 7:32:24 AM PDT by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: blackie

2nd that


28 posted on 09/01/2007 5:47:12 PM PDT by ezoeni
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To: oneolcop
Not only is the barrel in his ear, but his finger is on the trigger.

The inmates are running the asylum.

29 posted on 09/01/2007 5:54:52 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Will I be suspended again for this remark?)
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To: epow

No, actually paper is an excellent medium for fingerprints.


30 posted on 09/02/2007 8:10:56 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: Hazcat
"Tribal Law" is Sharia (sp) crap! Are we now under Islamic law?

I think they're probably referring to law enforcement and court systems on Indian reservations.

31 posted on 09/02/2007 8:12:55 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: oneolcop

I know. That picture is so bizarre, every time I see it, I wonder if it’s a fake.


32 posted on 09/02/2007 8:14:08 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: lowbridge
When did the “BATF” become the “BATFE”?

There was so much confusion as how to pronounce BATF that they added the 'e' to ensure the 'A' is pronounced as a long 'A' not the short 'A'. :^)

33 posted on 09/02/2007 8:21:11 AM PDT by Vinnie (You're Nobody 'Til Somebody Jihads You)
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To: Westbrook

And just think, they started out as mere tax collectors.

You, too can have career success and attain high power if you join in the effort to scare everyone silly and turn the nation into a bunch of pencil-pushers.


34 posted on 09/02/2007 9:01:59 AM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: Still Thinking

My guess is that it’s a joke; I doubt that even the ATF would actually be stupid enough to let that kind of pic out.


35 posted on 09/02/2007 1:19:09 PM PDT by oneolcop (Take off the gloves!)
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To: neverdem

Another great video of one of our “finest” feds giving gun safety lessons.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=MeGD7r6s-zU


36 posted on 09/23/2007 7:41:13 PM PDT by BKerr (Swap principle for power and you'll end up with neither!)
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To: Hazcat
by adding “tribal offense” and “Tribal Law” to the definition of Misdemeanor Crime of Domestic Violence.
Just what the heck does this mean??

“Tribal Law” is Sharia (sp) crap! Are we now under Islamic law?

No if you live on a Indian reservation you are under “Tribal Law” tribal courts etc. not US courts.

37 posted on 09/23/2007 8:05:34 PM PDT by mouser (run the rats out its the only hope we have)
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To: BKerr

Amazing. Don’t be walking around pulling the trigger. I’m from the gov’t and I’m here to help. LOL.


38 posted on 10/27/2008 10:59:13 AM PDT by Paladin2 (Palin for President! (RINOs? PUMA))
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