Posted on 09/01/2007 9:02:38 AM PDT by DaveLoneRanger
I’ve long been called an ape, but alas, almost never big-brained.
My wife says I’m still a big ape.
Why can't I use my God given talents to crush the atheists wrong thinking and call them numbskulls . . . . . . in a Christian charitable way of course.
Church Inquisitor?
The Inquisition was simply a Catholic version of jihad. Their mistake was not to start in the Middle East first. Okay, I’m donning my asbestos suit just in case someone doesn’t see this as a little tongue-in-cheek humor.
In other words: exactly what Darwin's theory of evolution implied.
What ought to be obvious is, no, we not. not “big-brained apes.” Ever since Haeckel, Darwinists have been trying to minimize the differences between us and the apes. No, explain away the obvious differences. Even granting that sometime in the FAR distant past we share a common ancestor, the differences are radical. The total effect has been to lower the status of human beings in the scheme of things.
I read a great article on here a few months back about Ghengis Khan’s conquest of the Caliphate. He killed over 100,000 people while running roughshod through the middle east. He nearly destroyed Islam in the 12th century.
Unfortunately these 2 sentences:
He nearly destroyed Islam in the 12th century.
He destroyed Islam in the 12th century.
Lead to radically different outcomes.
And I too think it strange that with all the pr0n on the net arabs go to an Israeli site.
Duh wrong thread for last sentence
Argueably it was the onslaught of Ghengis Khan that created the Islam as we know it today. Although Islam is a flawed and violent cult to begin with prior to the Mongol invasion the Islamic world was at an higher civilizatory, cultural and scienctific level. Since then they have become fatalistic, stagnant and backsliding.
And although the Mongols put a break for some time on the Islamic expansion, one shouldn’t neglect the fact that the Mongols themselves became Islamic (the Moghuls).
Science moves forward. Somehow that’s supposed to discredit science. Here we go again.
As far as “Darwin proven wrong,” how many scientists of the mid-19th century or before — of for that matter, after — do we still consider “right” in all their particulars? Not Newton, not Galileo, not Pasteur.
Evolutionary biology is not “Darwinism” any more than physics is “Newtonism” or medicine is “Pasteurism” or astronomy is “Copernicism.” They were greats who made great strides. The present state of the sciences they served has moved along, and does not bow to some dogmatic version of their teachings. Science does not work that way.
Turns out this “researcher” is a big buddy of Noam Chomsky. Need we, or the apes, say more?
It was actually Islam’s fault that the mongol’s invaded. The Mongol noble women were primarily Zoroastrians. Islam destroyed the religion of Zoroaster in Persia. Supposedly the reason the Mongols invaded was because of repeated killing of Mongol traders by the Khwarezmid Empire and because of the urgings of the Mongol women.
The Catholic version of jihad was Crusade, not Inquisition. And they did start in the MI!
With no ultimate authority similar to the Pope or Church Councils to establish dogma, Islam till quite recently allowed for a good deal more diversity of opinion, within the bounds established by the Koran, than medieval Catholicism did.
Or perhaps it would be more accurate to say that Islam, while not allowing freedom of religion anywhere, was more diverse because it was not unified. Muslim rulers in different areas favored different sects.
It used to be traditional in Islam to speak of the 72 sects, all of which were considered fully Muslim. With these divisions supposedly foretold by Mohammed.
Started another nuke mecha thread?
The term “highly specialized brain” is basically empty of content. Is this “speciality” perception, cognition, memory—the mysterious (so far) relationships among these things named? IAC. at least he realizes that the naive views of some Darwinists do not take into account the radically different capabilities of the human being as opposed to those of the Great Apes.
What’s your source for the Mongol noble women being Zoroastrian?
My reading has been that large numbers of them were (Nestorian) Christians, notably Kublai Khan’s mom.
http://www.woodrow.org/teachers/world-history/teaching/mongol/women.html.
Mongolia is a long way from Persia, and it seems unlikely there was much contact before the conquest.
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In spite of this article, I still think that evos have brains that evolved from apes and other assorted monkeys, as opposed to our incredible and wonderfully brains, designed by our Creator. How else could you explain them believing in such rubbish?
I stand corrected.
wonderfully brains = wonderfully MADE brains
Try defending the “rearrangement” of brain function locations on a scientific basis.
It is in creation "science."
Islam overran what was the Byzantine Empire. Short term, the Muslims flowered as they lived off these intellectual "spoils of war."
But the other short term result of their depredations was that the many scholars of the fallen Byzantine Empire fled west. I think it fair to say that very little of the culture of the fallen empire stayed with its Arab conquerors.
They had a great 12th century, End of story.
I beg to differ. Scholasticism allowed ever bit as much diversity of opinion as the Muslim schools. So much diversity that, in the end, many Christians tired to the endless debates among the schoolmen, and like Erasmus and Luther turned to moralism or fideism. By that time, iac, the Muslm world was deeply already immensed in fideism. The rationalism of the western universities had no place there.
As to the Crusades starting in the Middle East. The very word comes from the period of the reconquest of Spain from the Moors. Modern liberals who wish to discredit Christianity, tend to treat the progress of the Christian southwards as an intrusion of barbarism and intolerance into a Muslim eden.
In fact, the Fatmids had alread been overturned by fanatics from Africa. Something similar was happening in the East, as the Turks and other rude men briught their fanatical versions of Islam into the Mediterranean world. Something like the Vandals and the other Arian German tribes had overrun the western Roman world in the 5th Century. Christians, of course, remarked barbarous in many ways; one reason for the Fiurst Crusade was to provide an outlet for the knights of the West for something more worth while than civil war. Nothing is simple. Hisory certainly not.
They also overran the Persian world and, as in the Byzantine world, they drew heavily on the existing Aramaic-Persian cultures. Their golden age was the product of the work of non-Muslims.
Evolution does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
‘nuff said.
The Silk Road existed since Roman times. The Nestorians followed the trade routes eastwards beginning with the 5th Century. Futhermore, the steppes was a virtual highway for invaders. The Huns under Atilla had originated in central Asia, and had been pushed west by others even more agressive.
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Are you still trying to be a scientist?
Why, you just aren’t the type ya know?
All the paranoia about science from people trying to prop up their beliefs gets annoying. The main reason creationists/IDs fail is precisely because of your inability to understand science. You make the fundamental error of presenting a false dichotomy. Religion and science are not as contradictory as you want them to be. They are different and you try to make them the same. That won’t ever be successful with serious thinkers.
Try to explain this to someone who doesn’t regard scientific reasoning as valid.
You mean, like Al Gore?
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OK. So we all commit errors. Who isn't permitted any errors?
The Fatimids never ruled in Spain, with main dynasties being the Abbasids, Umayyads, Almoravids and Almohads. The Fatimids conquered North Africa but never got into Spain.
I think if people are going to take all of Genesis literally, we might as well get rid of all science.
Here's a good one. Lott's wife was supposedly turned into a salt pillar. We know that this is physically impossible; people don't turn into salt. And despite what you may wish, there is no widespread belief that physics and chemistry are against the word of God.
Luckily, science has moved on from archaic mysticism.
If you want to continue to live in the bronze age with a 6,000 year old Earth and spontaneous human salinization, be my guest. Just try not to act surprised when even religious and spiritual folk don't follow you.
Actually, historically you’re not far off. Since Spaniards lived through several hundred years of Sharia law (especially after the Jihadis drove off the more moderate Moors early on), they really did not understand the concept of “fair trial” or secular governance.
Not to excuse what they did, but secular humanists in pursuit of “utopia” (workers’ paradise, third reich, Khmer Rouge, etc.) slaughtered far more people in the twentieth century than all religions combined up to that time.
Al Gore, High Priest of The Envirowackos
The reporter kind of mangled the quote.
Premack said humans are not just big brained apes. His study of research (he’s a psycologis, he didn’t do the original research) found that in addition to starting as big brained apes humans have developed “enhanced wiring, and forms of connectivity among nerve cells not found in any animal.”
For example more a certain type of neuron than other great apes have.
His work doesn’t say anything in opposition to evolution.
>>Evolution does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.<<
No the evidence is the fossil and dna record. That life began as simple and similar and then developed over billions of years to be very diverse is a conclusion and evolution is a label we place on that development.
Exactly. Mxxx
Now they’re 13th century dwellers.
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