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Grin and Bear It: Is Fred Thompson Made of Presidential Material?
Newsweek/MSNBC ^ | Sept. 10, 2007 issue | Holly Bailey with Richard Wolffe, Eleanor Clift, Eve Conant and Mary Carmichael

Posted on 09/01/2007 9:02:40 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Fred Thompson does not want to meet the Butter Princess. Everywhere he turns at this morning's meet-and-greet at the Minnesota State Fair, he is surrounded by hundreds of star-struck onlookers, many of them "Law & Order" fans who line up three-dozen deep for a close-up with the actor who would be president. Thompson, a sometimes reluctant campaigner, is in full movie-star mode, and has his good-ole-boy charm set on high. All the women he meets are "honey" and the men "buddy." Even dressed down in khakis and a blue shirt with the sleeves rolled up, he is hard to miss. At 6 feet 6, he is head-and-shoulders taller than anyone around him. Posing for picture after picture, he reflexively stoops to fit in the frame. Some fans ask him to autograph DVDs of "The Hunt for Red October" and "In the Line of Fire," movies in which he had small but memorable parts playing powerful, world-weary men. "Run, Fred, run!" comes a shout from the crowd. Thompson lets out a long, low chuckle. All in all, he looks downright thrilled to be here.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Extended News; Politics/Elections; US: Iowa; US: Massachusetts; US: Minnesota; US: New York; US: Tennessee
KEYWORDS: chinamfn; congress; electionpresident; elections; fred; fred08; fredhead; fredthompson; gop; howardbaker; mittromney; mn2008; reaganesque; republicans; ronaldreagan; rudygiuliani; runfredrun; senate; thompson; watergate
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Wow! He's a reluctant politician! ALL THE MORE REASON TO SUPPORT HIM!! Hillary has wanted to be president since before she started you-know-what! Is that a good thing? Craving for power and ruthless ambition are positives?
1 posted on 09/01/2007 9:02:42 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: Sturm Ruger; Jim Robinson; Politicalmom

Ping!


2 posted on 09/01/2007 9:06:49 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Cuius testiculos habeas, habeas cardia et cerebellum)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Well said. Reluctant politicians always seem to have the greatest appeal , and seem far more trustworthy .


3 posted on 09/01/2007 9:11:01 PM PDT by Neu Pragmatist ( Who's " Bot " are you ?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

>>>...”In the Line of Fire,” movies in which he had small but memorable parts playing powerful, world-weary men.

Not a good example on the author’s part. His character nearly got the President killed in “In the Line of Fire”.

;)


4 posted on 09/01/2007 9:13:56 PM PDT by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

As they used to say, “you don’t sell the steak....you sell the sizzle.”


5 posted on 09/01/2007 9:14:24 PM PDT by capt. norm (Be thankful we're not getting all the government we're paying for.)
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Good movie though.


6 posted on 09/01/2007 9:15:51 PM PDT by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: Neu Pragmatist

Agreed. I would never vote for mittflop or julie-annie, both of them are the weakest, fakest “frontrunners” I’ve ever seen.

Thompson saw the obvious hole made by the liberal and unsatisfying republican top-tier, and the demand from across the country for his entry made him see that republicans are begging for a strong, real conservative, a man’s man.

I’ll be voting for Fred in the primaries. :)


7 posted on 09/01/2007 9:19:35 PM PDT by Tears of a Clown
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"Wow! He's a reluctant politician! ALL THE MORE REASON TO SUPPORT HIM!! Hillary has wanted to be president since before she started you-know-what! Is that a good thing? Craving for power and ruthless ambition are positives"?

That is a great point, one I had not considered. I have to admit I'm not enthusiastic with (what appears to be viable) any candidate at this point.

I have high hopes for Mr. Thompson....this Country needs a good man.

8 posted on 09/01/2007 9:24:22 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron ("I fear we have woken a sleeping giant and filled her with a terrible resolve" - Osama 9-11-01?)
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To: Calpernia
His character nearly got the President killed in “In the Line of Fire”.

That was O.K., though. Remember, it was the 90's. I recall a similar response during the movie 'Indepedence Day" (I think) where Will Smith battled an alien invasion. The premier audience I sat in cheered when the White House was vaporized. Klintigula wasn't too popular then...
9 posted on 09/01/2007 9:29:37 PM PDT by WorkingClassFilth (Isn't it time we dropped the big one on the State Department?)
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To: Neu Pragmatist
Reluctant politicians always seem to have the greatest appeal , and seem far more trustworthy .

Yeah, I definitely agree. But, I do wish he'd drop the "honey" thing when addressing women. As a man, I hate it when a waitress calls me "hon" or "sugar". To me it's condescending and most of all, it's patronizing. From what I've read and heard, women don't like it either.

But, if it works for him........
10 posted on 09/01/2007 9:30:11 PM PDT by no dems (In the General Election; we must not let America forget that Fidel Castro endorsed Clinton/Obama)
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To: Tears of a Clown

Well said! Here, here!


11 posted on 09/01/2007 9:30:44 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Cuius testiculos habeas, habeas cardia et cerebellum)
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To: no dems
"But, if it works for him........"

I know what you're saying, but he's old school and one of the few people who can get away with it in this day and age . Very un-PC ,and at the same time , very cool . It will fly .

12 posted on 09/01/2007 9:35:41 PM PDT by Neu Pragmatist ( Who's " Bot " are you ?)
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Grin and Bear It: Is Fred Thompson Made of Presidential Material?

Yes. Is Hillary? Obama? No.

13 posted on 09/01/2007 9:40:41 PM PDT by Libloather (That's just what I need - some two-bit, washed up, loser politician giving me weather forecasts...)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

No doubt, Her Thighness has a full campaign in the chute ready to be launched, including “trophy wife,” and “actor running for Prez ala ‘Bedtime for Bonzo.’”

Fred would be a great candidate and an even greater President.


14 posted on 09/01/2007 9:45:35 PM PDT by Rembrandt (We would have won Viet Nam w/o Dim interference.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I believe the quicker those that actually see through the actor facade, and see the politician behind that the better...

I mean its hard not to know about his acting career, but his experience as an actual elected official, not a dog catcher function, but a US Senator, would be a good thing to start paying attention to and getting up to speed on...

There are a few burbles that some may or may not like about what he did representing Tennessee, but hey, for the most part, not a lot bothers me about the guy...

Thats just my take on it...

Its going to be a little hard in the primaries for most in this country...Those top three tiered (anointed by the MSM) GOP candidates in my book don’t have a chance in hell...And they know they are in trouble...They’ll blow it off as long as possible, but we’ll see how it goes...

Good thing about my area...There is not a lot of campaining needing to be done...

I pretty much have my list done...


15 posted on 09/01/2007 9:56:52 PM PDT by stevie_d_64 (Houston Area Texans (I've always been hated))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Is Fred Thompson Made of Presidential Material?

I'm seriously doubting it.

He neatly avoids the upcoming debate; and, if he's afraid of debates, he can't beat Hillary.

I like the man personally, but I'm doubting he's up to the tasks - both of running a campaign, and of executing the duties as President.

Just opinions based on instinct. I could easily be wrong, here.

16 posted on 09/01/2007 10:06:11 PM PDT by Seaplaner (Never give in. Never give in. Never...except to convictions of honour and good sense. W. Churchill)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Thompson LOOKS like a President and he can obviously ACT like a President.. With Newt Gingrich or Duncan Hunter as VeeP he probably can even BE President..

Hitlery and Bubba would be a Democrat Corrupt Enterprise.. Marketing the Presidency.. even more than George Bush is NOW to employers of illegals and the Mexican Drug Cartels(i.e. Government).. ..

17 posted on 09/01/2007 10:12:25 PM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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To: Seaplaner

“He neatly avoids the upcoming debate; and, if he’s afraid of debates, he can’t beat Hillary.”

Is anyone even going to remember what happens in these early debates???

There will be debates up the ying yang with Thompson soon enough and nobody is going to remember anything that has happened in these early debates because the vast amount of voters are not even thinking about it yet.

Thompson is gonna slay the Hildabeast.


18 posted on 09/01/2007 10:29:21 PM PDT by Names Ash Housewares
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19 posted on 09/01/2007 10:34:13 PM PDT by Politicalmom (Of the potential GOP front runners, FT has one of the better records on immigration.- NumbersUSA)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I like Thompson's attitude about these stupid primary rituals that have become commonplace in New Hampshire, Iowa, and elsewhere. I don't remember John Kennedy or Teddy Roosevelt flipping pancakes or making small talk with butter sculptors.

We're talking about the most important job on the planet. He's not running a theme park here; I think Thompson's annoyance with this type of crap is refreshing.

20 posted on 09/01/2007 10:39:46 PM PDT by GunRunner (Come on Fred, how long are you going to wait?)
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To: Seaplaner
if he's afraid of debates, he can't beat Hillary.

Seeing the political vogue-ing that passes for debates, I don't blame Fred so far. There will be dozens of debates, with varying and ridiculous formats, hosted by liberal gasbags. Between now and November '08, and no one will remember any of them but the last couple.

My guess is that Fred sees no upside for him in debating a fragmented field now, when what he really needs to do is not open himself up to "gotchas" by a hostile MSM editing the tape later, but to get himself known to the American people in a way of his choosing.

There ain't no level playing field. The Cellulite Empress will have her sound-bites shaped and polished lovingly by the termites working in the MSM for the next 14 months, with all the embarrassing goofs and telling, weird moments edited out. Campaign commercials will run as news stories on the alphabet networks, in addition to Hillary's paid ads. What Fred has to do is what he has already begun: a guerrilla, new-media strategy of getting his ideas and strengths spread around the country on venues like YouTube, talking over the heads of the idiot press to the people directly, as Reagan did. Once this job is done—having publicly defined his character, rather than letting our Maoist media assassinate it for him—he can enter the remaining debates knowing he has made it hard for the biased host to trifle with him.

And he will trounce Cruella. That's my guess as of now.

21 posted on 09/01/2007 10:56:02 PM PDT by SamuraiScot
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To: Names Ash Housewares
Thompson is gonna slay the Hildabeast.

I wish I had your optimism.

I have a couple of worries about Fred.

Worry number 1.

Fred (who is an articulate lawyer and a polished actor) just might be slipping a bit (I don't know that he is, but he might be), as we all do in the golden years. He might be worried about this, and is handicapping himself by avoiding early and middle distance GOP primary debates; and,

Worry number 2.

Even if Fred is as sharp a hundred tacks, he should be in every debate, as the experience would make him stronger for future debates, such as with Hillary.

Debates are quite difficult to prepare for, and very strenuous and demanding in which to participate.

If Fred thinks he can wait for the bar to raise before he takes on the rigors of a national debate, he's setting himself up for an embarrassing loss.

Fred's advisers should insist that he takes part of every possible debate from here on in. Not just for exposure, should Fred get the GOP nod, he will need the experience when he takes on Hillary and her media allies in the presidential debates.

22 posted on 09/01/2007 10:56:41 PM PDT by Seaplaner (Never give in. Never give in. Never...except to convictions of honour and good sense. W. Churchill)
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To: no dems

It’s a southern thing. Being called “honey” or “sugar” here is just common. I do it myself.


23 posted on 09/01/2007 11:00:46 PM PDT by greccogirl
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To: Seaplaner

Slickly produced campaign ads are just that. Over the top supporters on FR are just that.

So it’s important to me to see a panel of serious candidates in a debate. Much easier to compare them, draw my own conclusions etc. Debates are demanding and rigorous as you point out - how well those demands are met says a lot in itself.


24 posted on 09/01/2007 11:02:42 PM PDT by Let's Roll (As usual, following a shooting spree, libs want to take guns away from those who DIDN'T do it.)
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To: Seaplaner

Seaplaner wrote: “He neatly avoids the upcoming debate; and, if he’s afraid of debates, he can’t beat Hillary.”

He will be in enough debates to clean the opposition’s clocks. He was a top-notch lawyer, one listed in Naifeh and Smith’s book, “The Best Lawyers in America.”

Fred was also a highly successful real-life prosecutor as an Assistant U.S. Attorney.

He’s not afraid of debating any of his opponents. Starting the 27th of this month, you will see why.


25 posted on 09/01/2007 11:09:34 PM PDT by Josh Painter ( "Frankly it [all the criticism] makes us more resolute." - former Sen. Fred Thompson)
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To: GunRunner

Until the 1930’s it was thought unpresidential to openly campaign for the White House:

A Front-Porch Campaign
Unlike Bryan, who toured the U.S. by railroad, McKinley followed the precedent of other candidates and received visitors at his home in Canton, Ohio—though his goal was hardly to maintain privacy. In the Republicans’ “front porch campaign,” multitudes of party loyalists (and some Gold Democrats who rejected Bryan and the Chicago platform) journeyed to Canton, often using free or discounted passes from friendly railroads. Addressing the crowds from his porch, McKinley promised a return to good times if Republicans took office in Washington. After the speeches, Ida McKinley often served lemonade to the thirsty crowds. The McKinley’s were not always repaid kindly: visitors ripped apart their picket fence, little by little, and took the pieces home as souvenirs.

http://projects.vassar.edu/1896/republicans.html

In American political parlance, a front porch campaign is one in which the candidate remains at home, making speeches to supporters who come to visit, but does not travel around or otherwise actively campaign. The successful presidential campaigns of James A. Garfield in 1880 and William McKinley in 1896 are perhaps the two best-known front porch campaigns. Another president that had been known for his Front Porch Campaign was Warren G. Harding during the Presidential Election of 1920. McKinley’s opposing candidate, William Jennings Bryan, gave over 600 speeches, and traveled many miles all over the United States to campaign, but McKinley overruled this by spending about two-times as much money campaigning. While McKinley was at his Canton, Ohio home supporting his “Front-Porch Campaign,” Mark Hanna was out raising millions to help with the campaign.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Front_porch_campaign


26 posted on 09/01/2007 11:09:51 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Cuius testiculos habeas, habeas cardia et cerebellum)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

>>Fred Thompson does not want to meet the Butter Princess. <<

I wonder what he has against the Butter Princess?


27 posted on 09/01/2007 11:13:36 PM PDT by gondramB (Preach the Gospel at all times, and when necessary, use words)
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To: Seaplaner; 2ndDivisionVet
Is Fred Thompson Made of Presidential Material? I'm seriously doubting it.

He neatly avoids the upcoming debate; and, if he's afraid of debates, he can't beat Hillary.

You know I was reading an article that was posted here today about the fact that Ronald Reagan skipped out on the January 5th 1980 Iowa Debate and it didn't seem to hurt him when all was said and done.

you can read the article here!

28 posted on 09/01/2007 11:18:11 PM PDT by Doofer (Fred Dalton Thompson For President)
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To: Seaplaner

They said Reagan was getting too old.
Fred has two little kids, the guy I am sure is up to it.


29 posted on 09/01/2007 11:21:58 PM PDT by Names Ash Housewares
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To: Seaplaner

Hillary is a “flash card” or “in the box” debator. Go outside the box and she’s a blithering idiot. Any heads up guy would frost her. Right now I don’t think Fred needs to debate at this point. If you are right and he does, that is a strike against him in my book.


30 posted on 09/01/2007 11:32:42 PM PDT by jwh_Denver (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1k08yxu57NA&NR=1 Paul Potts)
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To: gondramB
I wonder what he has against the Butter Princess?

Fred Thompson is afraid of the Butter Princess. He thinks he can avoid facing up to the Butter Princess and instead just appear before hand-picked people who he's not afraid of. Also he's too lazy to meet the Butter Princess. It's just too much work and Fred lacks fire in his belly. Finally, Fred is just too old, and sick and weak to meet the Butter Princess. Fred died recently and he has only two weeks to live and he looks terrible. Meeting the Butter Princess would make all this too obvious by contrast.

31 posted on 09/02/2007 12:09:23 AM PDT by rogue yam
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

More shuddering from the left.... Thompson seems to be the only one that has the ability to shake up the left. I wonder why? (wink)


32 posted on 09/02/2007 12:10:55 AM PDT by Paige ("Facts are stubborn things." President Ronald Reagan)
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To: rogue yam

Maybe the Butter Princess wants to ask him about his vote for “campaign finance reform”.


33 posted on 09/02/2007 12:19:14 AM PDT by SupplySider
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To: rogue yam

Maybe he’s just cutting down on his fat. :p


34 posted on 09/02/2007 12:36:47 AM PDT by Politicalmom (Of the potential GOP front runners, FT has one of the better records on immigration.- NumbersUSA)
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To: rogue yam
He doesn’t want to meet the butter princess without Aunt Jemima and the International House of Pancakes there as intermediaries.
35 posted on 09/02/2007 1:08:44 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Cuius testiculos habeas, habeas cardia et cerebellum)
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To: Seaplaner

“Is Fred Thompson Made of Presidential Material?
I’m seriously doubting it.

He neatly avoids the upcoming debate; and, if he’s afraid of debates, he can’t beat Hillary.”

The ONLY debates that matter are the ones were he exposes Hitlery for the fraud she is.


36 posted on 09/02/2007 1:46:38 AM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1 - Take no prisoners))
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Fred bump!


37 posted on 09/02/2007 2:09:34 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Politicalmom
Bump! Go Fred Go!


PRESIDENTIAL MATERIAL.... for sure!


38 posted on 09/02/2007 2:47:10 AM PDT by W04Man (I'm Now With Fred http://Vets4Fred.net)
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To: stevie_d_64

>>I mean its hard not to know about his acting career, but his experience as an actual elected official, not a dog catcher function, but a US Senator, would be a good thing to start paying attention to and getting up to speed on...

It’s not hard to do. I suggest looking at his lifetime voting record at the American Conservative Union, for starters.

http://www.acuratings.org/

Select 2002 Senate in the box at the bottom.


39 posted on 09/02/2007 3:06:46 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

That’s Fred’s basic appeal. He’s not a power mad, narcissistic, type A personality. You can imagine him mowing the lawn, grilling burgers and hot dogs for his family...in a rumpled shirt and jeans. Watching Buckholz pitch that no-hitter for the Red Sox last night, yelling and waving a beer. (How about that no-hitter!) We know Fred. The South, Flyover country, backwoods Maine, the Northern Kingdom, the West. He’s us. Thank God.


40 posted on 09/02/2007 4:30:03 AM PDT by hershey
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To: greccogirl
It’s a southern thing. Being called “honey” or “sugar” here is just common. I do it myself.

Agreed! I do it occasionally and I'm always being called "honey", "sugar", or "sweetie". It's what we do. I would especially love it if it was Fred! :-)

41 posted on 09/02/2007 4:30:28 AM PDT by Melinda in TN
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The thing with Fred is that you expect him to tell you the truth, good and bad. No bromides, no campaign rhetoric or pie in the sky promises. The nation’s in great peril, we don’t have time for nuancing nonsense. This goes against the dems’ usual game plan, and maybe it’s a hard sell. But we’re adults, we have to start acting like it, otherwise, we’ll end up with nukes and IED’s on Main St. and whatever other atrocities Jihadists dream up. Imagine the ferocity, the plotting going on with Hillary’s campaign staff? “Get those FBI Files! There’s got to be something we can use!” And frankly, reading the entire Newsweek article, I think Fred really didn’t want to intrude on the Iowa Fair butter artist’s work/attention. (Think Jimmy Stewart.)


42 posted on 09/02/2007 4:50:21 AM PDT by hershey
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To: no dems

The ‘honey’ thing sounds Southern, old fashioned, and from Fred, charming, but I know what you mean.


43 posted on 09/02/2007 4:52:25 AM PDT by hershey
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To: Seaplaner

Fred’s said he’d run because the country needed him, that we’re in peril. It’s literally do or die time, and it’s the one thing that motivated him when he’d rather spend time with his young family. Think about the change when he put himself through college, worked several jobs, supporting a young family. He worked his tail off, a huge turnaround from the ‘clown’ who didn’t much like book learning. On Sept. 6, he has to hit the ground running. Every stump speech has to be a firecracker, every appearance a barn burner, and I can’t wait.


44 posted on 09/02/2007 4:59:26 AM PDT by hershey
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To: Seaplaner
just might be slipping a bit (I don't know that he is, but he might be), as we all do in the golden years

Well since you don't know that he is, why even bring it up? And how old are you to consider 64-65 as "golden years"? Half the country's population is that old, LOL! Where does your concern leave you for Romney (age 60), Giuliani (age 67) or McCain (age 70). Must they too be concerned about their respective marbles because they've reached their 7th decade?

There is much more to be said for the wisdom that comes from age and experience.

As for participating in every debate for the "practice" you need to realize that debates are rigged against republicans and for democrats. They are prime opportunities to mis-speak, be photographed and portrayed unflatteringly etc. While Fred will participate in many before it's over, he's lost nothing and gained everything from declining in these early ones.

And I expect Fred knows very well the amount of preparation and rehearsal required when the time comes. He's going to do fine.

45 posted on 09/02/2007 5:11:17 AM PDT by prairiebreeze (PUT AMERICA AHEAD! VOTE FOR FRED!!)
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To: prairiebreeze; Clara Lou; jellybean; Politicalmom; xsmommy; perfect_rovian_storm; Petronski; ...
There is much more to be said for the wisdom that comes from age and experience.

Excellent post!

46 posted on 09/02/2007 5:22:01 AM PDT by b9
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To: hershey
Every stump speech has to be a firecracker, every appearance a barn burner, and I can’t wait.

I think Fred would be unwise to make this a standard approach as it will become impossible to maintain.

He needs to get the public's attention, keep their attention by being insightful, engaging etc. and save the big ammo for closer to the elections. IMO.

47 posted on 09/02/2007 5:23:46 AM PDT by prairiebreeze (PUT AMERICA AHEAD! VOTE FOR FRED!!)
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To: b9

Aww, shucks....


48 posted on 09/02/2007 5:24:51 AM PDT by prairiebreeze (PUT AMERICA AHEAD! VOTE FOR FRED!!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Holly Bailey with Richard Wolffe, Eleanor Clift, Eve Conant and Mary Carmichael

Now there's a collection of agenda-driven, biased media-Clintonistas if I've ever seen one.

49 posted on 09/02/2007 5:32:27 AM PDT by prairiebreeze (PUT AMERICA AHEAD! VOTE FOR FRED!!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“he is surrounded by hundreds of star-struck onlookers, many of them “Law & Order” fans who line up three-dozen deep for a close-up with the actor who would be president. Thompson, a sometimes reluctant campaigner, is in full movie-star mode, and has his good-ole-boy charm set on high. All the women he meets are “honey” and the men “buddy.””

*grinning*


50 posted on 09/02/2007 5:34:16 AM PDT by Kimberly GG (INVEST IN THE FUTURE - DUNCAN HUNTER '08.....(NO MORE CFRers))
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