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Chavez vows revenge for Falklands war
The Sunday Times Online (UK) ^ | September 2, 2007 | Martin Arostegui

Posted on 09/02/2007 1:51:41 PM PDT by Jeff Head

In a new outburst of antiwestern sabre-rattling, President Hugo Chavez of Venezuela has threatened Britain with “revenge” for the Falklands war of 1982. The belligerent Latin American leftist warned last week that his recent build-up of sophisticated Russian and Iranian weapons would be used to destroy the British fleet if it attempted to return to the South Atlantic.

Speaking on his weekly television show Alo Presidente (Hello, Mr President), Chavez denounced what he described as Britain’s “illegal occupation” of the Falklands and repeated his call for a regional military alliance against Britain and the United States.

“If we had been united in the last war, we could have stopped the old empire,” Chavez said, as he gesticulated to maps showing how Venezuelan aircraft and submarines would intercept British warships. “Today we could sink the British fleet.”

Chavez has often expressed support for Argentina’s claim to the Falklands, but his latest broadside was notable for both its antiBritish vitriol and its unprecedented threats. He declared that British history was “stained with the blood of South America’s indigenous people” and demanded revenge for the “cowardly” sinking of the General Belgrano, the Argentine cruiser.

Western diplomats have long grown used to harangues from Chavez, who announced this weekend that he would negotiate with guerrillas holding dozens of hostages in Colombia, including three US contractors and Ingrid Betancourt, a French-Colombian abducted as she campaigned for president in 2002. But US and British officials have recently become more concerned by his willingness to lavish billions of dollars from Venezuela’s soaring oil income on military capabilities.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; United Kingdom; War on Terror
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This guy, with all his new hardware, is going to be someone we ultimatley have to confront and put down.

His proposal here is eerily similar to the COSAS aliance that establishes itself in South America in my novel:


Dragon's Fury: World War against America and the West

1 posted on 09/02/2007 1:51:43 PM PDT by Jeff Head
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To: Jeff Head

He can try if he wants. We’ll take both of them at once.

I double dare him.


2 posted on 09/02/2007 1:53:45 PM PDT by UKrepublican
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To: Jeff Head
“This guy, with all his new hardware, is going to be someone we ultimatley have to confront and put down.”

That would occupy Saturday, but what would we do for the rest of the weekend?

3 posted on 09/02/2007 1:54:16 PM PDT by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: Jeff Head
“Today we could sink the British fleet.”

Maybe not with US air support.
4 posted on 09/02/2007 1:54:28 PM PDT by Chi-townChief
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To: joanie-f; Noumenon; Dukie; Grampa Dave; B4Ranch; Squantos; Lurker; soundbits; Eaker; ...

FYI.


5 posted on 09/02/2007 1:56:54 PM PDT by Jeff Head (Liberty is not Free. Never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Jeff Head

America is looking weak for not dealing with this guy, when he seized the our oil company assets there. In front of the world a bully just took something valuable of ours, and we tried to act cool and not notice, but seemed to be shaking inside. It looks to the world we are afraid, or maybe our military too extended so we can’t act.

Because of that others in the world will be more likely to act, thinking we either can’t or won’t step up.


6 posted on 09/02/2007 1:57:20 PM PDT by ran20
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To: UKrepublican
We would need to provide physical, military support. The new Russian SU-30s have the range to interdict the British fleet and could overcome and overwhelm the Harriers on their current carriers.

In a few years when they have the new carriers and the JSFs, that would be a different matter.

I personally believe it is time for a joint UK and US carrier exercise in the carribean to shut this idiot up. One or two of their Invinsible class, and one Nimitz class and their escorts would be all that was needed.

7 posted on 09/02/2007 1:59:56 PM PDT by Jeff Head (Liberty is not Free. Never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: ran20

Agreed. It is time we shut this idiot up. Send in a couple of Brit carriers and their excrots escorted by a single Nimitz and her escorts and cruise right off his coast.


8 posted on 09/02/2007 2:01:05 PM PDT by Jeff Head (Liberty is not Free. Never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Jeff Head
Hugo Chavez is talking like a madman. This is what what happens when dictators fall victim to that oldest malady known to their lot - megalomania. He certainly thinks he's surrounded by enemies.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

9 posted on 09/02/2007 2:01:15 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Jeff Head

Oh Man,, Fidel is dead! This lil jerk is begging for it.


10 posted on 09/02/2007 2:03:55 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed ... ICE’s toll-free tip hotline—1-866-DHS-2-ICE)
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To: Jeff Head

Is this in the same paper that is telling us to get over 9/11?


11 posted on 09/02/2007 2:07:35 PM PDT by EBH
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To: NormsRevenge

...and, IMHO, we and the Brits should give it to him. And we should put him down now, as opposed to when other, stronger enemies use him, along with the likes of Iran to bleed and distract us on their terms.


12 posted on 09/02/2007 2:07:41 PM PDT by Jeff Head (Liberty is not Free. Never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: EBH

Nope, this is in the UK, the other was right here at home.


13 posted on 09/02/2007 2:08:16 PM PDT by Jeff Head (Liberty is not Free. Never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Jeff Head

What is the status of the Royal Navy now compared to 1982?

Could the Brits even begin to attempt the same operation today?


14 posted on 09/02/2007 2:08:23 PM PDT by Travis McGee (--www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com--)
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To: NormsRevenge

One discretely placed JDAM right through his roof.

That should do it.


15 posted on 09/02/2007 2:08:52 PM PDT by Signalman
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To: ran20
America is looking weak for not dealing with this guy.....

I have a feeling the rest of the world sees this guy for the twit he is. Pipsqueaks like this should be ignored.

16 posted on 09/02/2007 2:10:18 PM PDT by rmccullo
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To: Bobkk47
One discretely placed JDAM right through his roof. That should do it.

Exactly...the Quadaffi solution.

17 posted on 09/02/2007 2:11:55 PM PDT by rmccullo
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To: Travis McGee
The UK could do the same. They still have two of their carriers operational, and they have new Amphibious assault ships that are stronger than what they had back then, and decent escorts.

But, if the Venezuelans jumped in with their new high-performance Russian jets and missiles, they would need our help. Those aircraft have the range, the carrying capacity, and the performance to overwhelm the harriers and hurt the Brit task force badly as they pass on their way south.

One Nimitz and its escorts would eliminate all of that though and, if it came to that, IMHO, we should provide it for our allies and help forcefully put down this renegade.

18 posted on 09/02/2007 2:12:01 PM PDT by Jeff Head (Liberty is not Free. Never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: rmccullo
Pipsqueaks like this should be ignored.

Not when he is building up the military he is, and with the oil revenue he has.

We should simply call his bluff forcefully and make him look the fool. Send a joint Brit and US Navy carrier task force to the Carribean

If he does nothing, he looks like the loudmouthed, braggard and bafoon he is. If he comes out to play, that force destroys all of his new toys and his capability to house, maintain, produce, and buy more.

19 posted on 09/02/2007 2:15:12 PM PDT by Jeff Head (Liberty is not Free. Never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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(Chavez) declared that British history was “stained with the blood of South America’s indigenous people”

And history has a way of repeating.

20 posted on 09/02/2007 2:15:13 PM PDT by Dr.Deth
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To: Travis McGee

...besides. It would be a GREAT object lesson to the Iranians.


21 posted on 09/02/2007 2:16:50 PM PDT by Jeff Head (Liberty is not Free. Never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Jeff Head
“If we had been united in the last war, we could have stopped the old empire,” Chavez said, as he gesticulated to maps showing how Venezuelan aircraft and submarines would intercept British warships. “Today we could sink the British fleet.”

Yeah and the US would nuke your a** in a New York second... (another latin-american moron)

22 posted on 09/02/2007 2:17:51 PM PDT by Niteflyr ("If you’re drawing flak, you know you're over the target".)
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To: Jeff Head

23 posted on 09/02/2007 2:18:18 PM PDT by jiggyboy (Ten per cent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: jiggyboy

Exactly...except this blah-blah-blah is arming himself with high tech weaponry that can make good his claims against the Brits. Time we put him squarely in his place...about 6ft under.


24 posted on 09/02/2007 2:20:35 PM PDT by Jeff Head (Liberty is not Free. Never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Jeff Head; Travis McGee

Well Noriega gets extradited this week ........there’s room at the Inn now ........:o)

Road trip ?


25 posted on 09/02/2007 2:21:03 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
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To: Jeff Head
We should simply call his bluff forcefully and make him look the fool. Send a joint Brit and US Navy carrier task force to the Carribean

Good idea...this idiot needs to be taught a lesson.....reminds me of the Moammar Khadafi days when he use to mouth off like this... this guy is stupid beyond belief....

26 posted on 09/02/2007 2:21:52 PM PDT by Niteflyr ("If you’re drawing flak, you know you're over the target".)
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To: Jeff Head
A punitive raid is in order. One nights bombing would remove his entire offensive capability. We can destroy it for a smidgen of what it costs him to replace it.
27 posted on 09/02/2007 2:22:40 PM PDT by SampleMan (Islamic tolerance is practiced by killing you last.)
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What is the status of the Royal Navy now compared to 1982?

It had to be better than the early 1970s.

:^)

28 posted on 09/02/2007 2:22:55 PM PDT by Disambiguator (What's the temperature, Albert?)
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To: Jeff Head
Exactly...except this blah-blah-blah is arming himself with high tech weaponry that can make good his claims against the Brits. Time we put him squarely in his place...about 6ft under

Let's let him sink 90% of his GNP into hardware for a few years first, then take him up on a fight when he asks for it.

29 posted on 09/02/2007 2:23:57 PM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: Jeff Head

All I ask is that we wait for Danny Glover and his entourage to arrive before we take the actions needed. Let’s hope Ed Asner and Harry Belafonte join him.


30 posted on 09/02/2007 2:23:59 PM PDT by DoughtyOne ((Victory will never be achieved while defining Conservatism downward, and forsaking its heritage.))
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Paul Shanklin needs to write another yoogo song for Rush to play.....


31 posted on 09/02/2007 2:24:16 PM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: Disambiguator

J-DAM coming! (courtesy of the British Navy...right down his chimney)


32 posted on 09/02/2007 2:25:09 PM PDT by Niteflyr ("If you’re drawing flak, you know you're over the target".)
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To: Squantos
Oooh! Excellent point about Noriega, aka, Pineapple Face.

The Panamanians danced in the streets when we picked him up.

My bet is the Venezuelans will with Chavez, too-- except for the German expats there.

Joan

33 posted on 09/02/2007 2:25:49 PM PDT by JoanVarga
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To: DoughtyOne

And that ugly little buck tooth anti everything skank that’s fonda Chavez as well........


34 posted on 09/02/2007 2:26:26 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
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To: DoughtyOne
All I ask is that we wait for Danny Glover and his entourage to arrive before we take the actions needed. Let’s hope Ed Asner and Harry Belafonte join him.

He and Danny are joined at the hip...shouldn't be difficult....:o) Wonder what Danny would think about socialism then??

35 posted on 09/02/2007 2:27:08 PM PDT by Niteflyr ("If you’re drawing flak, you know you're over the target".)
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To: Squantos

hehehe...nope, more like a sea cruise.


36 posted on 09/02/2007 2:28:04 PM PDT by Jeff Head (Liberty is not Free. Never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Niteflyr

He is sounding exactly like Khadafi. Needs to get some of that same ointment for what’s ailing him.


37 posted on 09/02/2007 2:28:59 PM PDT by Jeff Head (Liberty is not Free. Never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Jeff Head

"'If we had been united in the last war, we could have stopped the old empire,' Chavez said, as he gesticulated to maps showing how Venezuelan aircraft and submarines would intercept British warships. 'Today we could sink the British fleet.'"

38 posted on 09/02/2007 2:29:19 PM PDT by monkapotamus
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To: SampleMan

Exactly.


39 posted on 09/02/2007 2:29:20 PM PDT by Jeff Head (Liberty is not Free. Never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: JoanVarga

LOL....yep ole pineapple face is due his second stop on his world prison tour. France gets him next I think ? He won’t finish that visit until he takes the big dirt nap.....what is he 80 ?.....may mid 70’s ??


40 posted on 09/02/2007 2:29:38 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
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To: DoughtyOne

It would be nice for them to witness exactly what happens to their leftists, anti-American hero up close and personal.


41 posted on 09/02/2007 2:30:15 PM PDT by Jeff Head (Liberty is not Free. Never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Squantos

Which little buck-toothed anti-everything skank? Come on friend, that describes about 35% of the left male and female, LOL. BTW, you forgot the almost psychotic stare and funky glasses, for which Hillary is so infamous.


42 posted on 09/02/2007 2:31:33 PM PDT by DoughtyOne ((Victory will never be achieved while defining Conservatism downward, and forsaking its heritage.))
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To: Jeff Head

This could be an interesting test for the new British PM.

Is he made of the same stuff as Lady Thatcher or Neville Chamberlain.


43 posted on 09/02/2007 2:32:22 PM PDT by TomGuy
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To: Squantos

The Carter Legacy. Wonderful.

Answer the bell, Britain. We got your six.


44 posted on 09/02/2007 2:32:29 PM PDT by IslandJeff (Matthew 28: 19-20)
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To: Niteflyr

How unfair we have been to nations that practice it...


45 posted on 09/02/2007 2:32:36 PM PDT by DoughtyOne ((Victory will never be achieved while defining Conservatism downward, and forsaking its heritage.))
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He declared that British history was “stained with the blood of South America’s indigenous people”

You betcha. I forget just what part of Great Britain Hernan Cortez and Francisco Pizarro were from. I'm sure Huey would be glad to tell us.

46 posted on 09/02/2007 2:33:45 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: IslandJeff

I believe we would be right there at the front door with them...and covering their six too.


47 posted on 09/02/2007 2:33:57 PM PDT by Jeff Head (Liberty is not Free. Never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: DoughtyOne

I threw ya a hint !!.........LOL !


48 posted on 09/02/2007 2:34:02 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
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To: TomGuy
Good point. We shall see.

I do not think they should wait until Argentina is emboldened by this idiot to create the crisis. Put Chavez in his place now as an object lesson to the Argentinans, and the Iranians too for that matter.

Chavez has been in bed with and playing footsies with them too.

49 posted on 09/02/2007 2:35:50 PM PDT by Jeff Head (Liberty is not Free. Never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Jeff Head

b....b...but what about the UN?


50 posted on 09/02/2007 2:36:34 PM PDT by IslandJeff (Matthew 28: 19-20)
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