Terri Schiavo's Family Continues Effort to Block Jack Kevorkian UF Speech

Life News ^ | 9/3/07 | Steven Ertelt

[bikerman]

I am sure many haven't and are leading perfectly normal lives.

[Xenalyte]

Not the penumbra - the emanation just next to it. Little thing. Easy to overlook. ;)

[bjs1779]

He said he wasnt going to do any of this again, where is the statement by him he wants to continue with his machines?

It is comforting that you trust a convicted murderer who has no remorse for his actions.

[bjs1779]

I am sure many haven't and are leading perfectly normal lives.

There you go again, sticking up for convicted murderers as if they deserved normal lives to begin with. So far, I haven't seen you shed a tear about any of the victims like you do the murderers. Correct?

[bjs1779]

I see I should have pinged you to # 163 also.

[wagglebee]

I am sure many haven't and are leading perfectly normal lives.

Do explain how a multiple murderer can lead a "normal" life.

[bjs1779]

Its collage with young adults not grade school I would hope the young adults can make up their own minds to attend or not attend Dr K.talks

Remember that slippery slope you talked about?

[bjs1779]

Do explain how a multiple murderer can lead a "normal" life.

And for that matter, how can a murder victim lead a "normal life"?

[wagglebee]

The culture of death doesn’t give a damn about its victims.

[bjs1779]

The culture of death doesn’t give a damn about its victims.

Sort of makes one wonder where these creatures come from, doesn't it?

[wagglebee]

I don’t know where they come from, but I do know who is guiding them.

[Mr. Silverback]

My understanding is that Kevorkian acted on informed consent. If I am mistaken, please enlighten me.

If his "patients" were clinically depressed when they made the decision for suicide, they were non compis mentis and their consent was as valid as a consent signed by a guy tripping on acid.

[Mr. Silverback]

Ah...thanks for the help, I was sure I’d never find that. [Gets out a high powered magnifying glass and a copy of the Constitution.]

[Mr. Silverback]

Bikerman, before you convince yourself that Kevorkian is filling a real need or discussing something that deserves debate, see info from a real nurse who cares for the dying in post 143. UF might as well have a guy come in and pontificate on how desperately our country needs to have a Weasel Stomping Day holiday, because we need assisted suicide about as much.

[bikerman]

For your information My wife is a nurse who works in critical care and watches as family's disregard the dying wishes of the elderly who are being eaten alive by disease and have no chance in hell of coming out alive their meager savings for the surviving spouse fading because of the so called heroics by the bleeding hearts and do gooders who want to postpone their death by artificial means knowing they didn't want to die this way and signed their living wills.They all end up dying shortly after being put on so called artificial means.

[bikerman]

they weren't killed in cold blood they were WILLING victims who made the discussion to end their OWN lives and because of Dr K were able to see their wishes come true. This wasn't an abortion. That I do not support but letting adults chose how they want to die I do support.Case closed.

[wagglebee]

they weren't killed in cold blood they were WILLING victims who made the discussion to end their OWN lives and because of Dr K were able to see their wishes come true.

Many of them were simply depressed, suffering from a TREATABLE condition, and in all probability their "dream" was to ease their depression, not end their lives.

You make Dr. Death sound like Santa Claus.

[Mr. Silverback]

For your information My wife is a nurse who works in critical care and watches as family's disregard the dying wishes of the elderly who are being eaten alive by disease and have no chance in hell of coming out alive their meager savings for the surviving spouse fading because of the so called heroics by the bleeding hearts and do gooders who want to postpone their death by artificial means knowing they didn't want to die this way and signed their living wills.They all end up dying shortly after being put on so called artificial means.

Give me a break.

First, there is a big fat difference between refusing medical care and having a doctor kill you.

Second, society has made provision for these people to control their medical care through the living will, DNR and other provisions. The fact that there are families who ignore these provisions does not mean that we need a new, radical and drastic provision for them to ignore, it means we need to enforce current statutes.

Either you understand these concepts and choose to ignore these crucial differences, or you really don't understand them. If it's the latter, you have as much business pontificating on this issue as Gomer Pyle has designing nuclear plants.

[Mr. Silverback]

Wag and bjs, see post 178.

Bikerman...How many of Kevorkian’s “patients” had been evaluated for clinical depression?

[ariamne]

I think it is important we distinguish between a doctor easing a dying person who is absolutely terminal (stage 4 pancreatic cancer or the like), and in horrendous pain, out of life through painkillers, and Doctor Kervorkian. There are too many questions about his “patients”, many of whom were NOT terminal, and his motives. He appears to be a psychotic personality who gets some level of “thrill” out of killing people who are not necessarily dying. And he should be, and has been, condemned for it. I agree with you that someone from the life side should debate him, that it should be a two sided discussion.