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“Out Of Context,” Or, How To Argue With A Muslim
http://www.newenglishreview.org/custpage.cfm/frm/10467/sec_id/10467 ^ | Ibn Warraq

Posted on 09/03/2007 12:38:13 PM PDT by ventanax5

It is quite common to hear two arguments from Muslims and apologists of Islam, the language argument, and that old standby of crooked, lying politicians, “you have quoted out of context.”

Let us look at the language argument first. You are asked aggressively, ‘do you know Arabic?’ Then you are told triumphantly, ‘You have to read it in the original Arabic to understand it fully’. Christians, even Western freethinkers and atheists are usually reduced to sullen silence with these Muslim tactics; they indeed become rather coy and self-defensive when it comes to criticism of Islam; they feebly complain “who am I to criticise Islam? I do not know any Arabic.” And yet freethinkers are quite happy to criticise Christianity. How many Western freethinkers and atheists know Hebrew? How many even know what the language of Esra chapter 4 verses 6-8 is? Or in what language the New Testament was written?

Of course, Muslims are also free in their criticism of the Bible and Christianity without knowing a word of Hebrew, Aramaic or Greek.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: ibnwarraq; islam; islamicsupremacists; lietothekufir; muhammadsminions; thereisnodebate; waronislamism

1 posted on 09/03/2007 12:38:15 PM PDT by ventanax5
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excellent, ping-0-rama for later


2 posted on 09/03/2007 12:45:21 PM PDT by stillwaiting
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To: ventanax5
How To Argue With A Muslim

Don't argue about religion. Simply state what you believe and why.

3 posted on 09/03/2007 12:46:35 PM PDT by Logophile
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To: ventanax5

‘do you know Arabic?’

Why yes, yes I do. And I have read parts of the Koran in the original language. I have also read books of the Bible in Arabic too.

‘Or in what language the New Testament was written?’

Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek.


4 posted on 09/03/2007 12:49:20 PM PDT by Azeem
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To: ventanax5
You may think you've read Hamlet before, but you can't really appreciate it until you've read it in the original Klingon.

http://www.kli.org/stuff/Hamlet.html

5 posted on 09/03/2007 12:50:04 PM PDT by NativeNewYorker (Freepin' Jew Boy)
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To: ventanax5
What a minute.

It is Muslims who are waving the Koran around while cutting off the heads of innocent victims.

When Christians identify Islam as the Religion of Death, it can’t be too far out of context.

6 posted on 09/03/2007 12:51:53 PM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: ventanax5
“Out Of Context,” Or, How To Argue With A Muslim

Invite him to talk about his imagined grievances over a pork barbeque.

7 posted on 09/03/2007 12:56:02 PM PDT by hsalaw
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To: ventanax5

Ultimately there is no debating a muslim. It is a matter of faith and the laws of Mohammad are what they are.

The Imam will tell you that Mohammad was infinitely wise and you are not to question why or what of Islam (including child brides, slavery, and holy war).

Sit down, shut up, and submit.


8 posted on 09/03/2007 12:56:36 PM PDT by weegee (NO THIRD TERM. America does not need another unconstitutional Clinton co-presidency.)
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To: ventanax5

ping


9 posted on 09/03/2007 12:58:25 PM PDT by dennisw
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To: ventanax5

Ironic that they take the rewritten texts of the Bible that are represented in the koran as the “real deal” because Mohammed, a warlord, said so. So much so that you have to reject the Judeo-Christian Bible (which has been consistent in transcription) and read it in the “original” koranic arabic instead.


10 posted on 09/03/2007 12:59:21 PM PDT by weegee (NO THIRD TERM. America does not need another unconstitutional Clinton co-presidency.)
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To: ventanax5

If the intent of the words of the Koran may be interpolated from the actions it drives Muslims to take, then the words of the Koran must be violent indeed in the original Arabic.

Or maybe it is just the Arabic language that is so full of hate and barbarism.

May they drown in the dung of a thousand diarrheic camels.

That sounds pretty bad even in English.


11 posted on 09/03/2007 1:00:45 PM PDT by alloysteel (Never attribute to ignorance that which is adequately explained by stupidity.)
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To: ventanax5

Excellent article.

http://afghanjohn.wordpress.com


12 posted on 09/03/2007 1:01:05 PM PDT by JeepInMazar (http://www.truthformuslims.com)
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To: ventanax5

Actions speak louder than words. I don’t need to know Arabic, because I can evaluate the religion based upoin the actions of its members.


13 posted on 09/03/2007 1:01:48 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: ventanax5

I’m thinking that most of your home-brewed variety of muslim don’t read arabic either.


14 posted on 09/03/2007 1:04:41 PM PDT by printhead
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To: ventanax5
‘You have to read it in the original Arabic to understand it fully’. Christians, even Western freethinkers and atheists are usually reduced to sullen silence with these Muslim tactics; they indeed become rather coy and self-defensive when it comes to criticism of Islam; they feebly complain “who am I to criticise Islam? I do not know any Arabic.”

Here is my response to this tactic:

"Excuse me, Mr. Muslim, but I have a life, so forgive me if I don't feel like devoting the next several years of it to learning Arabic and then studying the Koran just to find out whether the clear evidence of my own eyes is accurate when it comes to the hundreds of millions of Muslims who proclaim and demonstrate that they want to kill me and destroy my beloved country.

"Moreover, in the event that I did put in the time to learn Arabic and study the Koran, and did come to the conclusion that it is indeed a peaceful non-violent religion, am I then supposed to judge that all the self-proclaimed Muslims in the world who take a different viewpoint are therefore not true Muslims?

"If I am put into the position of having to decide who is and who isn't really a Muslim in order to protect all that I hold dear, are you willing to abide by that judgment, and to allow me to treat such non-Muslims in a way that would deny them the ability to "hijack" the Muslim faith by depriving them of its trappings, customs and practices?

"May we kill them freely, without worrying that you will take our necessary actions as an attack on your own pure and true faith?

"I am not going to get into that kind of pointless and time consuming exercise, Mr. Muslim.

"So let's cut to the chase. It is very clear to anyone who cares to look that the Muslim world is riddled with the fatal disease of violent Islam, and frankly, it is up to the Muslim world to clean up the problem and contain the disease.

"Since it has failed to do that, and continues to fail to do that, then don't blame me if my own self-preservation and the self-preservation of our nation requires that we at last quarantine the disease, and fight it aggressively where ever its failure to contain its millions of psychopaths represents a threat to me and mine.

And if in fact, the Muslim world is so terminally ill with hatred and violence that it cannot contain this threat by itself, then don't fault me when I come to the obvious conclusion that it will have to be sacrificed to destroy the virus once and for all."

15 posted on 09/03/2007 1:06:47 PM PDT by Maceman
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To: ventanax5
You are asked aggressively, ‘do you know Arabic?’ Then you are told triumphantly, ‘You have to read it in the original Arabic to understand it fully’. Christians, even Western freethinkers and atheists are usually reduced to sullen silence with these Muslim tactics;

Usually the first thing thatr comes out of my mouth is why do i need to learn to read arabic when i see you living a slavish life because of your religion i see your hipocracy in your actions they speek louder than any words you could tout about allah !

Then after they stop screaming and stomping their feet i say { see told ya so !}

16 posted on 09/03/2007 1:12:01 PM PDT by ATOMIC_PUNK (In everyday life there is more than meets the eye to reach the depths of truth we must DRAGTHEWATERS)
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To: ventanax5

Dueteronomy 6.


17 posted on 09/03/2007 1:14:06 PM PDT by Finalapproach29er (Dems will impeach Bush in 2008; mark my words.)
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To: ventanax5
Ha see told em so

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1890391/posts

Taliban Tortured South Korean Hostages as Punishment for Refusing to Convert to Islam

18 posted on 09/03/2007 1:15:42 PM PDT by ATOMIC_PUNK (In everyday life there is more than meets the eye to reach the depths of truth we must DRAGTHEWATERS)
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To: ventanax5

Since they claim they know what the Koran really says in it’s original language, my response is do they denounce the examples of oppression, intolerance, and violent acts done in the name of their religion?


19 posted on 09/03/2007 1:19:30 PM PDT by Free Vulcan (Fight the illegal Mexican colonizers & imperialist conquistadors! Long live the resistance!)
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To: ventanax5
There is. of course, one simple answer to that: a religious faith that aspires to be accepted by all of humanity must be available in the various languages of the world. Other- wise the faith is merely the peculiar expression of one ethnic group or region.
The Christian faith spends millions each year translating the Bible into every conceivable language known.
20 posted on 09/03/2007 1:21:45 PM PDT by quadrant
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To: Vince Ferrer

By their fruits you shall know them.


21 posted on 09/03/2007 1:22:44 PM PDT by BigBobber
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To: Maceman

Could not argue it better. Muslims, leftists, and any others that spout ridiculous fallacies, always take their screwed up logic and throw it back in their face.


22 posted on 09/03/2007 1:26:02 PM PDT by Free Vulcan (Fight the illegal Mexican colonizers & imperialist conquistadors! Long live the resistance!)
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To: Azeem
Greetings from another DLI tool.

Bingo on all three languages of the New Testament.

Τα βάσανα είναι μαθήματα
23 posted on 09/03/2007 1:26:56 PM PDT by BIGLOOK (Keelhauling is a sensible solution to mutiny.)
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To: All

Why is it that non-Muslims are always misinterpreting the Koran, when it is Muslims killing non-Muslims based on Koran?

We will never win the WOT until we accept the fact that Islam is the problem...stop the adjectives of “moderate”, “radical” etc. Islam is pure hate, and if Christianity did the things Islam does, they would outlaw Christianity

No Islam, Know Peace


24 posted on 09/03/2007 1:46:04 PM PDT by UCFRoadWarrior (FantasyCollegeBlitz.com)
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To: ventanax5

25 posted on 09/03/2007 2:22:19 PM PDT by Gritty (If one can only convert to but not from Islam, it is a threat to every free person on Earth-Mk Steyn)
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To: Azeem

Of course, the whole point was that one does not need to know Arabic to argue against Islam.


26 posted on 09/03/2007 2:31:07 PM PDT by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: ventanax5

Of course, this all presupposes that there’s anything to be gained by arguing with a muslim, which is fallacious.


27 posted on 09/03/2007 2:48:14 PM PDT by VoiceOfBruck (for a good time, call vobns.blogspot.com)
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To: Maceman
And if in fact, the Muslim world is so terminally ill with hatred and violence that it cannot contain this threat by itself, then don't fault me when I come to the obvious conclusion that it will have to be sacrificed to destroy the virus once and for all.

A well written article with a conclusion conservatives knew instinctively all along.

28 posted on 09/03/2007 3:05:37 PM PDT by Eddie01
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To: Gritty

Butcher those who declare they will butcher those who rightfully express their opinion. -Eddie01

Now THAT’s got protest sign written all over it...


29 posted on 09/03/2007 3:10:24 PM PDT by Eddie01
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To: Vince Ferrer

If you’d only read the Koran you’d come to the understanding that there are no human rights violations involved because kufir are subhumans undeserving of the finer things in life. You are lucky to be a slave than to be forced to prostitute yourself after the muslim hordes conquor the region. < /s >


30 posted on 09/03/2007 4:06:13 PM PDT by weegee (NO THIRD TERM. America does not need another unconstitutional Clinton co-presidency.)
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To: Free Vulcan

No they are forbidden from criticizing the practices of another muslim.


31 posted on 09/03/2007 4:08:24 PM PDT by weegee (NO THIRD TERM. America does not need another unconstitutional Clinton co-presidency.)
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To: Gritty
"BUTCHR THOSE WHO MOCK ISLAM"???

Ha HA!

32 posted on 09/03/2007 4:10:13 PM PDT by weegee (NO THIRD TERM. America does not need another unconstitutional Clinton co-presidency.)
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To: ventanax5
My answer would be that I do not NEED the Arabic to know by the actions commited by Muslims, ( violence and oppression ) to know what the Koran is all about. Plus when it comes to the Bible the Muslim will always say that Jews and Christians tampered with the original as to “corupt” the Bible. Well the response would be that Muhammed used what Christians would call gnostic gospels that have been proven time and again to be false doctrine.
33 posted on 09/03/2007 4:18:08 PM PDT by Biggirl (A biggirl with a big heart for God's animal creation.)
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To: ventanax5

BTTT


34 posted on 09/04/2007 6:01:07 PM PDT by Dajjal
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