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Papers Please: Arrested At Circuit City (Donations welcome, the ACLU will get most of it)
MichaelRighi.com ^ | September 2nd, 2007 | Michael Righi,

Posted on 09/03/2007 3:19:20 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat

Today was an eventful day. I drove to Cleveland, reunited with my father’s side of the family and got arrested. More on that arrested part to come.

For the labor day weekend my father decided to host a small family reunion. My sister flew in from California and I drove in from Pittsburgh to visit my father, his wife and my little brother and sister. Shortly after arriving we packed the whole family into my father’s Buick and headed off to the grocery store to buy some ingredients to make monkeybread. (It’s my little sister’s birthday today and that was her cute/bizare birthday request.)

Next to the grocery store was a Circuit City. (The Brooklyn, Ohio Circuit City to be exact.) Having forgotten that it was my sister’s birthday I decided to run in and buy her a last minute gift. I settled on Disney’s “Cars” game for the Nintendo Wii. I also needed to purchase a Power Squid surge protector which I paid for separately with my business credit card. As I headed towards the exit doors I passed a gentleman whose name I would later learn is Santura. As I began to walk towards the doors Santura said, “Sir, I need to examine your receipt.” I responded by continuing to walk past him while saying, “No thank you.”

As I walked through the double doors I heard Santura yelling for his manager behind me. My father and the family had the Buick pulled up waiting for me outside the doors to Circuit City. I opened the door and got into the back seat while Santura and his manager, whose name I have since learned is Joe Atha, came running up to the vehicle.

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In short, he refused to let Circuit City look in his bag, and then later arrested for not showing a license (he was not driving), which was changed to arrested for impeding the job of a cop that he himself called because he was being unlawfully detained by the manager (a criminal misdemeanor).

I'm going to keep a close eye on this case.

1 posted on 09/03/2007 3:19:22 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: antiRepublicrat

Being practically a card carrying ACLU member I’m sure you will.


2 posted on 09/03/2007 3:24:05 PM PDT by Golden Eagle
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To: antiRepublicrat

You don’t know the number of times I have been enraged at having my receipt checked. I will be watching this as well.


3 posted on 09/03/2007 3:24:59 PM PDT by ThisLittleLightofMine
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To: antiRepublicrat
I'm not sure if this would be the hill I am willing to die on to defend my rights and liberty.

To each is own.

4 posted on 09/03/2007 3:25:05 PM PDT by Popman (Nothing + Time + Chance = The Universe ---------------------Bridge in Brooklyn for sell - Cheap)
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To: antiRepublicrat
This story is bogus. Digg.com had a similar one last month. Go ahead and contribute to his paypal fund if you believe him.
5 posted on 09/03/2007 3:25:24 PM PDT by OCC
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To: antiRepublicrat

You cannot leave Fry’s without a bag check either.


6 posted on 09/03/2007 3:25:59 PM PDT by edcoil (Reality doesn't say much - doesn't need too)
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To: antiRepublicrat

I don’t care if the law is a little fault, this dude is an ass and deserves what he gets.


7 posted on 09/03/2007 3:26:05 PM PDT by aft_lizard (born conservative...I chose to be a republican)
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To: antiRepublicrat

The guy is a real jerk. What’s the big deal about letting them see you’re not stealing some high priced gadget? How does that infringe on his “rights?”

Perhaps the store has had a rash of shoplifting and they are taking proactive measures to ensure they aren’t getting ripped off? Can you blame them?

I’m with the store on this one. Call it another example of our declining society... the store has the right to protect itself from loss.


8 posted on 09/03/2007 3:27:43 PM PDT by teledude
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To: antiRepublicrat

I think I’m hearing the faint echo of a recently slapped-down troll, but I’m not sure...


9 posted on 09/03/2007 3:29:58 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: antiRepublicrat

Why would that guy called the ACLU in the first place?


10 posted on 09/03/2007 3:30:13 PM PDT by wastedyears (Alright, hold tight, I'm a highway staaaaaaaaaaaaarrr)
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To: antiRepublicrat

OK, I’ll bite. Just what in hell is wrong with them checking your receipt and/or looking in your bag?

.........and please, no yada, yada, yada, answers.


11 posted on 09/03/2007 3:30:21 PM PDT by Chuck54
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To: edcoil

“”You cannot leave Fry’s without a bag check either.””

I have never let Fry’s check my bags, I don’t go that way, and have never run into a problem.


12 posted on 09/03/2007 3:30:54 PM PDT by ansel12 (First, cut off them off from jobs, benefits and other fruits of our society, Feed attrition.)
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To: antiRepublicrat

ping


13 posted on 09/03/2007 3:31:35 PM PDT by Illuminatas (Being conservative means never having to say; "Don't you dare question my patriotism")
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To: edcoil

Or Hardys’ either..


14 posted on 09/03/2007 3:32:01 PM PDT by silentreignofheroes (When the Last Two Prophets are taken, there will be no Tommorrow!)
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To: antiRepublicrat

Too bad he has chosen to get into bed with the ACLU on this and to donate any excess donations to them.


16 posted on 09/03/2007 3:32:52 PM PDT by upchuck (Today there are 10,000 more illegal aliens in yer country than there were yesterday. 10,000! THINK!)
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To: teledude

GOL DANG IT!!! MY DADDY FOUGHT THE GOLDANG RED JAPANESE SO I WOULDN’T HAVE TO SHOW MY BAG WHEN I LEAVE THE STORE!! THIS IS LIKE SOVIET GERMANY ALL OVER AGAIN!!!`


17 posted on 09/03/2007 3:32:58 PM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: teledude

I found the detail on Ohio’s “stop and identify” law. I encourage you to read it in its entirety, but I will spell out the important part:

2921.29 (C) Nothing in this section requires a person to answer any questions beyond that person’s name, address, or date of birth. Nothing in this section authorizes a law enforcement officer to arrest a person for not providing any information beyond that person’s name, address, or date of birth or for refusing to describe the offense observed.


18 posted on 09/03/2007 3:33:19 PM PDT by nicmarlo
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To: OCC

I remember reading something similar about a year ago.


19 posted on 09/03/2007 3:34:14 PM PDT by bubbacluck
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To: ThisLittleLightofMine

I’ve been slightly surprised a couple of times, but never have I been outraged. This is a bunch of hooey.


21 posted on 09/03/2007 3:34:25 PM PDT by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: Chuck54

Everybody must be a thief,,right..??


22 posted on 09/03/2007 3:34:33 PM PDT by silentreignofheroes (When the Last Two Prophets are taken, there will be no Tommorrow!)
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To: Chuck54

Some people just want to be outraged.


23 posted on 09/03/2007 3:35:15 PM PDT by flashbunny (<--- Free Anti-Rino graphics! See Rudy the Rino get exposed as a liberal with his own words!)
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To: Popman

I agree with you, and I question if the story is true.


24 posted on 09/03/2007 3:35:49 PM PDT by FFranco
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To: Borax Queen; Czar; janetgreen

Interesting read; I suggest reading the whole article. Also, I reposted, from the article, the Ohio law, which states that citizens do not have to produce anything to law enforcement more than their name, address, etc. This guy was arrested and booked for not producing his driver’s license....but was not driving a vehicle.


25 posted on 09/03/2007 3:36:09 PM PDT by nicmarlo
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To: teledude

I have no problem letting the store check my receipts. I’m on their property, it’s part of their antitheft measures, like cameras in the store. I grant it’s irritating, but if it brings the prices down, I’m fine with it.


26 posted on 09/03/2007 3:37:34 PM PDT by I still care ("Remember... for it is the doom of men that they forget" - Merlin, from Excalibur)
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To: antiRepublicrat

2+2 does not = 4 here. The guy is a jerk there is no other way to put it. What is so hard about showing a receipt let alone looking in your bag?

Might I suggest he read all store rules regarding packages the next time he enters.


27 posted on 09/03/2007 3:38:06 PM PDT by Shots
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To: teledude
I’m with the store on this one. Call it another example of our declining society... the store has the right to protect itself from loss.

I agree with you. Nothing but a bunch of whiners on this thread. Maybe if they owned their own businesses, they'd think a little differently.

28 posted on 09/03/2007 3:38:23 PM PDT by BlessedBeGod
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To: antiRepublicrat

I would have invited Santura to go ask the checker for confirmation. Otherwise he can screw off.


29 posted on 09/03/2007 3:38:36 PM PDT by moehoward
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To: wastedyears

ACLU fundraiser?


30 posted on 09/03/2007 3:39:15 PM PDT by listenhillary (millions crippled by the war on poverty....but we won't pull out)
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To: ansel12

If this story was real, the guy was delusional. A driver’s license is an official form of identification. Since he did not say he didnt have one, it implies he did. The cop would have asked him for another valid ID. Cops have a right to check a suspicious person’s ID.

He was just exiting a retail store...someone else’s property. Shoplifting goes on at the store. If there is reasonable cause someone can be asked to provide receipts for what is in the bag(s). He was stopped outside the store on suspicion. If he was in the store, he has plausible deniabilty.

He should immediately cry himself a river, go to the bridge, and get over it already.


31 posted on 09/03/2007 3:39:16 PM PDT by crazyshrink
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To: Tafts Ghost
Oh, please, not the the IV amendment argument.

< /s>

...against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated

I guess this story begs for the answer if it was an unreasonable search to ask for a receipt?

IMHO, the answer is no, but I've been wrong before.

32 posted on 09/03/2007 3:39:35 PM PDT by Popman (Nothing + Time + Chance = The Universe ---------------------Bridge in Brooklyn for sell - Cheap)
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To: aft_lizard

The aspect I am interested in is being arrested for failure to show a driver’s license even if you weren’t driving, as it’s too “Papers, please” for me. That plus the abuse of the police officer in falsely arresting him for not showing a license, then making up other charges when he found out he couldn’t do that.

As far as Circuit City is concerned, don’t shop there if you don’t like getting your bag searched. He was an ass for going there with his aversion to bag searches and to the Circuit City employees, but I believe the law also protects asses from unlawful restraint (Ohio Statute 2905.03) and a demand to show ID (2921.29 (C)).

Why does it seem the asses are the ones who produce the cases that protect our freedoms? Parody and satire are firmly protected speech because of Larry Flynt of all people.


33 posted on 09/03/2007 3:39:42 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: antiRepublicrat

LOL, this moron was looking for trouble. On Labor Day weekend!

I’m sure this idiot’s sister and family are delighted that their self-absorbed, righteously indignant bunghole of a relative went and screwed up the weekend for everybody else.

How utterly selfish and rude....


34 posted on 09/03/2007 3:39:55 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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Here is my take on this burning issue.

When you enter a store, you are entering private property; you are a guest in the store. You behave yourself and play by the rules on someone else's property. If the rules state that you will show your receipt, then it is boorish not to do so. There is no civil liberties issue here at all.

35 posted on 09/03/2007 3:40:03 PM PDT by Blennos (High Point, NC)
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To: antiRepublicrat
Your arrest was a false arrest. You could be arrested for failing to provide your drivers' license if you are in your vehicle and don't have it with you but you shouldn't have been arrested for identifying yourself which you did. The officer had no cause to ask for your drivers' license. That was just bogus. Good luck with your case.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

36 posted on 09/03/2007 3:40:34 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: crazyshrink
Cops have a right to check a suspicious person’s ID.

Not according to Ohio law. They may ask your name and address...not demand a driver's license. You can read the article in its entirety to find that information, or see my post #18.

37 posted on 09/03/2007 3:40:56 PM PDT by nicmarlo
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To: listenhillary

I have no liking for the ACLU whatsoever. But I dislike arrests because some, who is not driving a car, after calling the police himself, is arrested for not producing a driver’s license, especially when he was not driving a vehicle.


38 posted on 09/03/2007 3:42:47 PM PDT by nicmarlo
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To: Chuck54
OK, I’ll bite. Just what in hell is wrong with them checking your receipt and/or looking in your bag?

On a practical level, nothing. You give consent when you walk in. Don't like it? Don't walk in.

39 posted on 09/03/2007 3:42:56 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: antiRepublicrat

Don’t shop in places with a policy of checking receipts.


40 posted on 09/03/2007 3:43:04 PM PDT by Petronski (Cleveland Indians: Pennant -20)
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To: antiRepublicrat

Bump for later


41 posted on 09/03/2007 3:43:06 PM PDT by Pontiac (Patriotism is the natural consequence of having a free mind in a free society.)
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To: antiRepublicrat
Numerous legal questions here.

#1, Once you purchased the item it was yours. They may have a right to demand to search bags of persons leaving store, but as for demanding a receipt, I don’t believe so. (I am not an Ohio lawyer)

#2, Should have shown the cop your DL. You turned a $50,000 damages case against the store into a questionable matter. Exercising a right is never the smart thing to do when it is the stupid thing to do. Ohio may have law requiring you to provide “identification document” to LEO on demand.

#3, In most states, when the manager hindered/physically prevented you leaving and told you you could not leave, he arrested you, whether or not word arrest was ever used. You had $50,000 false arrest case going for a while.

#4, Store’s rights probably changed (diminished) when you physically left the building.

#5, Get a Real OHIO lawyer, not FRadvice. Sue the store. Criminal matter will vanish overnight.

43 posted on 09/03/2007 3:44:02 PM PDT by MindBender26 (Having my own CAR-15 in Vietnam meant never having to say I was sorry......)
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To: nicmarlo

Should have shown his SS Card and went on his way..


44 posted on 09/03/2007 3:44:11 PM PDT by silentreignofheroes (When the Last Two Prophets are taken, there will be no Tommorrow!)
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To: antiRepublicrat

A store must comply with current laws.

What does the Ohio law state about demanding inspections of personal articles when leaving a store?


45 posted on 09/03/2007 3:44:16 PM PDT by nicmarlo
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To: Tafts Ghost
Yes - he paid for the items in question. The store employee had no right to ask for further ID or a bag check when he left the store premises. Inside the store, they had a right to detain him if they suspected him of shoplifting. But they no jurisdiction to do so the moment he left the store. Accusing a paying customer of shoplifting is just lousy customer service and since he had lawful possession of the goods, after that point the store's right to make a further inquiry ended. Simple and straight.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

46 posted on 09/03/2007 3:44:46 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: antiRepublicrat

Seriously, was it worth it to put his young siblings into all this and for what.He’s stupid, just show your receipt and file a complaint later to ACLU or hire a lawyer if you can afford one.


47 posted on 09/03/2007 3:45:25 PM PDT by 6ed
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To: silentreignofheroes

Ohio law states all he must inform the officer is his name and address and date of birth.

The police officer exists to enforce laws, not make them up.


48 posted on 09/03/2007 3:45:30 PM PDT by nicmarlo
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To: nicmarlo

I read the article in its entirety b/4 any post. What was quoted there was for a specific incident which was not what was involved in this suspicious incident (re; the cop being called).

Relating the request for a driver’s license to driving in this case is misguided.


49 posted on 09/03/2007 3:45:40 PM PDT by crazyshrink
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To: crazyshrink

I know that different people have different ideas about being searched when out in public, personally, I don’t allow it myself.


50 posted on 09/03/2007 3:45:56 PM PDT by ansel12 (First, cut off them off from jobs, benefits and other fruits of our society, Feed attrition.)
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