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Texas startup says it has batteries beat
Associated Press ^ | Tue Sep 4 | GRANT SLATER

Posted on 09/04/2007 10:37:19 AM PDT by 300magnum

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To: bigfootbob

Like they killed the Fish carburettor.


41 posted on 09/04/2007 11:18:58 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Go Hawks !)
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To: billdcon

Charge/discharge...

you can dump charge regular battery packs right now...


42 posted on 09/04/2007 11:19:21 AM PDT by MD_Willington_1976
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To: 300magnum
An ultracapacitor is all I need to finish building my Interocitor.


43 posted on 09/04/2007 11:19:52 AM PDT by TC Rider (The United States Constitution ? 1791. All Rights Reserved.)
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To: Lazamataz

If you can get them from my ex-wife, they’re yours.


44 posted on 09/04/2007 11:20:03 AM PDT by billdcon
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To: saganite
[Where do you think that will come from?]
 
Nanophotovoltaics

45 posted on 09/04/2007 11:20:03 AM PDT by VxH (One if by Land, Two if by Sea, and Three if by Wire Transfer)
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To: ArtyFO
Sounds like the invention will be bought up by GMgm...

To protect their presently unprofitable business?

46 posted on 09/04/2007 11:21:01 AM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: ArtyFO

I once was struck by lightening as I toped a hill during a thunder storm

Hmmmm

tope 1 Pronunciation, verb, toped, top·ing.
–verb (used without object) 1. to drink alcoholic liquor habitually and to excess.
–verb (used with object) 2. to drink (liquor) habitually and to excess.


[Origin: 1645–55; var. of obs. top to drink, in phrase top off (on the model of tip off to drink (a full helping) at a draught), special use of top to tilt. See topple]

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/toped


47 posted on 09/04/2007 11:21:12 AM PDT by saganite (Billions and billions and billions----and that's just the NASA budget!)
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To: robertpaulsen
Wasn’t it Don R. that said in public, “that we don’t know what we don’t know”. Every expert on the subject bashed the invention of the airplane a while back, said it couldn’t be done.
48 posted on 09/04/2007 11:22:00 AM PDT by ANGGAPO (LayteGulfBeachClub)
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To: billdcon
If you can get them from my ex-wife, they’re yours.

Hey bud, I'm a LAWYER, not GODZILLA.

49 posted on 09/04/2007 11:22:23 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Why isn’t this in Breaking News????)
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To: VxH

That won’t even come close to the energy demands we’re talking about.


50 posted on 09/04/2007 11:23:16 AM PDT by saganite (Billions and billions and billions----and that's just the NASA budget!)
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To: 300magnum
"a motorist could plug in a car for five minutes and drive 500 miles without gasoline."

Some simple math: 1)Assume the vehicle efficiency is equivalent to a 50 mpg car. 500 miles would consume 10 gallons of gasoline. 2) 10 gallons of gasoline at 135000 BTU per gallon equals 1,350,000 BTU. 3) 1,350,000 BTU's equal 4000 KW. 4000 KW delivered in 5 minutes require 80,000,000 Watt-Hour per hour delivery rate of electricity. 4) 80 million watts at 220 volts equals 360,000 amps.
It would take 24,000 extension cords to carry this current. You might be able to charge the vehicle in five minutes, but it would take 6 days to plug, and unplug the cords.

51 posted on 09/04/2007 11:24:04 AM PDT by norwaypinesavage (Planting trees to offset carbon emissions is like drinking water to offset rising ocean levels)
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To: Lazamataz

Amen brother.


52 posted on 09/04/2007 11:27:05 AM PDT by billdcon
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To: saganite

[energy demands we’re talking about.]

I think it’ll be at least enough for the average commute.


53 posted on 09/04/2007 11:30:53 AM PDT by VxH (One if by Land, Two if by Sea, and Three if by Wire Transfer)
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To: billdcon

Without violating your NDA can you comment on wether this is something they just think will work or is something they have produced in a lab and they are working on mass manufacturing process?

There is another company with a theory about manufacturing rechargable aluminium batteries but have never made a prototype.

A working prototype would be very encouraging.


54 posted on 09/04/2007 11:31:53 AM PDT by dangerdoc (dangerdoc (not actually dangerous any more))
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To: 300magnum
and chemical researchers say the strength and functionality of this material is the only thing standing between EEStor and the holy grail of energy-storage technology.

Duh, the dielectric is everything in a capacitor.

The thinner the dielectric the more plates can be used in a given space.
If they haven't determined the 'functionality and strength' of the dielectric, they haven't done anything.

55 posted on 09/04/2007 11:35:26 AM PDT by Vinnie (You're Nobody 'Til Somebody Jihads You)
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To: robertpaulsen

If you are using 10,000 volts, 50 amps would charge it in 6 minutes.


56 posted on 09/04/2007 11:35:30 AM PDT by dangerdoc (dangerdoc (not actually dangerous any more))
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To: billdcon
It’s been a while since I posted...I’d love to comment on this story, but I have an NDA on file with this company...I was involved with a project to try to adapt this technology to work at a smaller scale than what is discussed in this article. I’m not involved anymore, but I think the NDA still prevents me from discussing my opinions/experiences with this technology. A good primer on ultracapacitors can be found at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supercapacitor . One thing that is not often talked about is this...my experience (and I am not an EE) is that things that can be charged very quickly, can also discharge very quickly. Food for thought

This would also make an excellent magazine for a laser or other energy based weapon.

57 posted on 09/04/2007 11:35:44 AM PDT by Centurion2000 (“Jesus Saves. Moses Delivers. Cthulu Reposesses...”)
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To: 300magnum

Other interested parties, even those with energy-technology experience/track-records/investments, might inquire with the EEStor and its principal capital investors:

to see if they may be willing to take-on some other partners; gaining access to capital and other resources that might help advance the conclusive production of a successful product.

The basis of the benefits of the additional partners is that there is most likely technical, mass-production and quality-control hurdles that EEStor must still overcome and, with conquering those hurdles in mind, having greater resources to do so can accrue benefits to EEStor and the existing capital partners, not just the new ones.

I hope that the kind of venture capitalists and energy-engineering principals I am thinking of are in fact approaching EEStor with offers to join them and with resources to help the project along.

Of course, the current investors and new ones would be looking for clarity of existing and remaining issues as well as clarity of the scientific proof of any claimed successful results. If the principal scientists are very convinced of the theoretical basis of possible success, but still unclear of the totality of the practical means to it, they should not be afraid of additional outside capital and technical resources to advance the theories to practical ends.

But, if the actual primary hurdle for EEStor proves, in the long run, to be their own fear of loss of control and thereby they deny themselves additional assistance that they need, and if the theoretical potential is correct, then their effort could remain fruitless for them, while others, less greedy for their own fame and maximum reward may succeed, based on the same theories, but with additional assistance they allow themselves to obtain in larger partnerships with others.

I don’t know if the theoretical goal of EEStor is or is not practical. I do know that finding the proof of the answer to that question, regardless of that answer, is of great benefit to many more people than just EEStor and its partners. I hope they seek and obtain greater assistance and come to that final answer sooner rather than later, so the energy-hungry world can more quickly put their solution to use or know to quit hoping for it and look more energetically elsewhere.


58 posted on 09/04/2007 11:37:38 AM PDT by Wuli
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To: silentreignofheroes

It’s power. P=EI. The less E, the more I is needed.


59 posted on 09/04/2007 11:39:03 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: OSHA

A car using this technology would get about the equivalent to more than 100 MPG. Gasoline engines are very inefficient. But yes, they are claiming a very high energy density.


60 posted on 09/04/2007 11:39:06 AM PDT by dangerdoc (dangerdoc (not actually dangerous any more))
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