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To: cornelis
I think that Plato, through "the Cave" showed that there is the possibility of perfection, without "matter." So there can be a "perfect good" and in fact, there's no way to have a "perfect good" on earth, in our plane, as everything here is an imperfect reflection.

Mark

16 posted on 09/04/2007 10:40:37 PM PDT by MarkL (Listen, Strange women lyin' in ponds distributin' swords is no basis for a system of government)
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To: MarkL
You are right, Mark. Plato spoke of perfection without matter. (Although I may be Platonist in some of my views-- Socratic, especially--sometimes I prefer Aristotle.. Granted, there are different kinds of perfections. One kind of perfection is thoroughly Platonist and thinks that the perfection of the human person is being without a body. I’m not convinced that this is so, but it is not improbable or inconceivable. However, if God created us as body and soul, our perfection as a human being will include the body (cf. Aristotle, The Gospel of John, Aquinas).

But to get back to the point, evil has no existence apart someone committing it, whether that agent is material or immaterial. In the comparison I made, I suggest that all things described as good or evil, whether they are considered perfect or not, are the attributes of persons. There's a faulty view that imagines goodness existing apart from the source of goodness. Plato didn’t make this mistake. Plato taught that attributes of beauty in this material world where an imperfect reflection and that they were as they are through participation in the source of that goodness.

I hope that helps clarify things. Thanks for writing, Mark.

20 posted on 09/05/2007 11:54:38 AM PDT by cornelis
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