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'TV FRED ONLY ACTS TOUGH'
New York Post ^ | September 5, 2007 | CARL CAMPANILE

Posted on 09/05/2007 6:54:18 AM PDT by fweingart

September 5, 2007 -- A top adviser to Rudy Giuliani yesterday trashed rival Fred Thompson as an actor whose experience fighting crime is busting make-believe criminals on television. "Rudy is a real crime fighter," said Rep. Peter King (R-L.I.). "Fred Thompson has primarily done it on television." King, former chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee, is an adviser to Giuliani on national-security issues.

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As you can see I favor Tancredo, but this would appear that Rudy and team are nervous regarding Fred.

I don't believe, in the long run, there's a dime's worth of difference between the two. Both are globalists and both belong to the elitist CFR along with the Clinton Duo and a host of leftists and RINOs.

1 posted on 09/05/2007 6:54:19 AM PDT by fweingart
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To: fweingart

Actually you can’t see the tagline.


2 posted on 09/05/2007 6:55:04 AM PDT by fweingart (Tom Tancredo Will Get The Job Done! (PS: I Don't Like The Clintons.))
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To: fweingart
Call off your dogs, Rudy.

"Thou shalt not speak ill of another Republican" -- Ronald Reagan

3 posted on 09/05/2007 6:57:35 AM PDT by Guyin4Os (My name says Guyin40s but now I have an exotic, daring, new nickname..... Guyin50s)
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To: fweingart
I see Rudy is starting to worry..
4 posted on 09/05/2007 7:00:07 AM PDT by mnehring (If there's one thing that makes me sick it's when someone tries to hide behind politics- Joey Ramone)
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To: fweingart

You haven’t been paying attention. There’s a world of difference between Fred and Rooty. Would you consider Guiliana a Federalist?


5 posted on 09/05/2007 7:00:30 AM PDT by traderrob6
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To: fweingart

There’s alot more than a dime’s worth of difference. I’m not a Fred guy, but Fred is not a liberal. Rudy is a gun-grabbing, open borders, abortion promoting, gay rights agenda guy.


6 posted on 09/05/2007 7:07:28 AM PDT by pissant (Duncan Hunter: Warrior, Statesman, Conservative)
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To: fweingart
...both belong to the elitist CFR along with the Clinton Duo and a host of leftists and RINOs.

As well as a lot of strong, died in the wool Conservatives including William F Buckley. BTW, Even your beloved Tom Tancredo has even done interviews, speeches and advisory for the CFR. Here are some examples of interviews or papers Tancredo has contributed to for the CFR:
http://www.cfr.org/publication/11141/
http://www.cfr.org/publication/11740/making_immigration_work.html
http://www.cfr.org/publication/11557/

Pretty much everyone in DC is a member of the CFR, they aren't the boogeyman that people make them out to be. They are a think tank that is hired to research and help draft policy papers on all sides of issues.

7 posted on 09/05/2007 7:07:35 AM PDT by mnehring (If there's one thing that makes me sick it's when someone tries to hide behind politics- Joey Ramone)
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To: pissant
Rudy is a gun-grabbing, open borders, abortion promoting, gay rights agenda guy.

YEP! The G-man is a no-go.

8 posted on 09/05/2007 7:11:06 AM PDT by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: fweingart

I like Peter King a lot, but I’m disappointed to hear that he’s taken to trash talking Fred. It a losing tactic to be using against a southern gentleman, and it only reinforces the perception that Rudy and the people he surrounds himself with are a gang of common thugs.


9 posted on 09/05/2007 7:18:11 AM PDT by eastsider
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To: eastsider

Rudy sure fits a democrat profile!

IT is for the murder of unborn babies!
IT is a big gun control nut!
IT covered for the invaders in ITS city!
IT surrounded ITself with thugs!

Why does IT have an R by ITS name instead of a D?


10 posted on 09/05/2007 7:30:34 AM PDT by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (Remember the Alamo, Goliad and WACO, It is Time for a new San Jacinto)
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To: fweingart

Rudy has to talk tough becuase he knows Fred’s going to kick his pro-abortion, gun-banning butt in the primaries


11 posted on 09/05/2007 7:35:52 AM PDT by FormerLib (Sacrificing our land and our blood cannot buy protection from jihad.-Bishop Artemije of Kosovo)
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“I see Rudy is starting to worry..”

With Fred Thompson showing a commercial right before tonights debate -he’s afraid no one will even notice him.


12 posted on 09/05/2007 7:37:52 AM PDT by NavyCanDo
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To: fweingart
I don't believe, in the long run, there's a dime's worth of difference between the two.

*************

What a bizarre statement.

13 posted on 09/05/2007 7:41:07 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran

The conceit that trash talking is going to persuade conservatives that Rudy is one of them is laughable.


14 posted on 09/05/2007 7:51:53 AM PDT by eastsider
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To: fweingart
and when Rudy does show biz he shows this little bit of thespian kinkiness.


15 posted on 09/05/2007 7:54:04 AM PDT by Vaquero (" an armed society is a polite society" Heinlein "MOLON LABE!" Leonidas of Sparta)
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To: fweingart

(Fred Thompson as Admiral Joshua Painter - Hunt for Red October)
Adm. Painter: What’s his plan?
Jack Ryan: His plan?
Adm. Painter: Russians don’t take a dump, son, without a plan.

What’s YOUR plan, Rudy?


16 posted on 09/05/2007 8:09:14 AM PDT by Polyxene (For where God built a church, there the Devil would also build a chapel - Martin Luther)
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"Fred Thompson has primarily done it on television."

Uhh... Thompson is a former Assistant US Attorney with an excellent track record. He also brought down a sitting governor as a private-practice lawyer as a result of a civil suit.

17 posted on 09/05/2007 8:15:32 AM PDT by kevkrom (The religion of global warming: "There is no goddess but Gaia and Al Gore is her profit.")
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To: kevkrom

Shhhhhh........don’t confuse him with facts. He has enough trouble supporting Tancredo. Must be frustrating looking up from the bottom.


18 posted on 09/05/2007 8:23:14 AM PDT by Pistolshot (Every woman, who can, should learn to shoot, and carry a gun.)
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To: kevkrom
"Fred Thompson has primarily done it on television." King,... is an adviser to Giuliani"

"Rudy got crime in New York City under control - not by acting, but by getting results. Rudy Giuliani has the real credentials," King added.

trashed rival Fred Thompson as an actor whose experience fighting crime is "busting make-believe criminals on television."

former Staten Island Borough President Guy Molinari, ripped Thompson for planning to skip the debate, saying, "Run or keep your mouth shut!"

Yep. They are scared of Fred. Fred does not do what the political machine dictates. Fred makes his own moves. Like the debate. He's not going, he is running a 30 second statement on TV that states what HE wants to say, not what MSM is trying to get him to say.

Pretty smart.

19 posted on 09/05/2007 8:28:06 AM PDT by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: fweingart

If NY’ers gain control of the party it’s over.

Say hello to Nelson Rockefeller.


20 posted on 09/05/2007 8:37:31 AM PDT by Finalapproach29er (Dems will impeach Bush in 2008; mark my words.)
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To: All

In order to not speak ill about a fellow Republican, the individual has to actually behave as a Republican. I haven’t seen anyone in government act like a Republican for quite some time...


21 posted on 09/05/2007 8:40:19 AM PDT by JenBrower (...government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: fweingart

I was on the fence about Thompson until I found this. Turned me off to his candidacy.

For reference I offer these two posts from Debbie Schlussel:

1:
http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archives/2007/07/jihad_fred_fred.html

Debbie Schlussel: Jihad Spence: Fred Thompson’s Pan-Islamist Campaign Manager

By Debbie Schlussel

He hasn’t entered the Presidential race yet, but Fred Thompson, yesterday, showed us why he’s the scariest Republican Presidential candidate. And maybe the scariest of both parties.

Don’t believe Thompson’s claim that he understands the Islamist jihadist threat to America. His announcement, yesterday, of his choice of Spencer Abraham as campaign manager, told us everything we need to know. Although Abraham, of Lebanese descent, is a Christian, he is a career water carrier for Islamists of the most extremist stripe and made that the cornerstone of his failed, one-term Senate career and equally lousy tenure as Energy Secretary.

As a conservative—but more important, as an American concerned about the future of this country in the face of a terrorist threat—Thompson’s choice of Spencer Abraham was the final nail in the coffin for me in opposing Fred Thompson’s quest for the White House.

I know Spencer Abraham. He wrote one of my recommendations for law school. And the Spencer Abraham that I and all of America have since experienced is bad news for everyone except CAIR, ADC, MPAC, ISNA, and all Islamists who want to endanger America.

In 2003, I wrote the definitive column on Spencer Abraham a/k/a Spence a/k/a Edward Spencer Abraham (which was quoted in The Washington Post), and I re-publish it below, with several additions I’ve made, updating it. At the time Spence was still Energy Secretary, but he left to become a lobbyist for Islamist countries.

As a Senator, he took marching orders from James Zogby of the pan-Islamist Arab American Institute, opposing profiling of Arabs, the use of secret evidence against Muslims (at the behest of Muslim groups), attempting to repeal the Clinton counterterrorism package, refusing to fund computer tracking of student and other foreign aliens, giving millions in our tax money right to Hezbollah, and putting CAIR on the map on Capitol Hill (taking the group’s officials around to meet other Senators and Members of Congress). He took campaign contributions from the relatives of Hezbollah-backed top Lebanese officials after he got the group millions in our tax money.

Spence was one of only two Senators in the entire U.S. Senate who refused to sign a letter calling on President Clinton to condemn Palestinian terrorism and Yasser Arafat. This was at the height of a series of homicide bombings in Israel in 1999 and 2000.

As Energy Secretary, he gave top secret tours of nuclear facilities, as well as detailed information on how we secure them to Muslim nations who are our enemies. And he gave out undue post-9/11 awards to Al-Qaeda money-launderers . . . at the White House. The money launderers were raided by U.S. Customs Service agents.

After he left the Bush cabinet, Spence became a lobbyist for Mid-Eastern Muslim countries that practice the Arab boycott of Israel and don’t really like us too much either. He took their money and until the Thompson race, did their bidding.

Do you really support a guy, Fred Thompson, who picked this man to head up his team? Either Thompson is clueless about Abraham, which should immediately disqualify him for the White House and frighten all of us about how he makes decisions. Or he knows about Abraham, and went with him anyway. Just as bad.

If you want to say no to jihad, you WILL say NO to Fred Thompson. He chose, and now we must choose against him:

JIHAD SPENCE: Bush’s Dangerous Energy Secretary is Now Fred Thompson’s Campaign Manager

By Debbie Schlussel

Since the Blackout of 2003, he’s gotten lots of TV face time. But should U.S. energy policy be entrusted to Spencer Abraham?

In 2000, President Bush said his Cabinet would “look like America,” nominating Abraham, the defeated Lebanese-American Senator from Michigan, to Energy Secretary—part of the Bush strategy targeting the Arab vote.

But was this political strategy in the best interest of the country? Abraham’s record suggests otherwise.

In the two years since 9/11, Abraham did absolutely nothing to improve our precarious electric power situation.

That would be bad enough.

But, since 9/11, Abraham continued a controversial UN-sponsored program allowing foreign visitors from countries on the State Department terrorist list to tour U.S. nuclear reactors. A course sponsored by the UN International Atomic Energy Agency, taught by U.S. nuclear weapons lab security personnel, gives tours of Nuclear Regulatory Commission facilities and teaches participants from 57 countries—including Iran, Iraq, and Saudi Arabia—security techniques employed at American nuclear sites. “They were teaching them to black out systems, which they could use against us at labs,” an official told a popular newssite. This was reported on extensively by investigative reporter Paul Sperry, author of “Infiltration.”

The Clinton Administration taught the course to foreign representatives, too. But that was pre-9/11. In the post-9/11 era, Abraham irresponsibly continued it, despite protests.

Then there’s Jamal Barzinji. Abraham enlisted him to find parties who helped and reached out to Muslims after 9/11, with Abraham hosting an awards ceremony for them. Problem is, Barzinji is an officer and/or director in SAFA Trust, Mar-Jac Poultry, and International Institute for Islamic Thought, all raided by Customs in March 2002 for laundering over $1.7 billion to Al-Qaeda and Islamic Jihad (through University of South Florida terrorist professor and Islamic Jihad founder and frontman, Sami Al-Arian).

More troubling is Abraham’s Senate record, ignored by his former Senate colleagues in an easy confirmation hearing.

Should a Senator who deliberately endangered national security for Arab/Muslim votes and campaign money be entrusted to oversee U.S. energy policy and access?

Abraham’s frightening national security record included:

Liberal immigration policy, including lax foreign visitor tracking, at the behest of Arab/Muslim groups; Tried to End Profiling, Secret Evidence Use Against Terrorists

Abraham was Senate Immigration Subcommittee Chairman through the end of 2000. Abraham routinely caved to the demands of Arab/Muslim leaders, such as the Arab American Institute’s James Zogby, on national security matters, especially immigration.

“Ever since (I first met) him, Abraham has been coming to us and giving advice, support and the benefits of his leadership,” Zogby told The Detroit News.

And taking Zogby’s advice, too.

Abraham actively worked to delay computer systems to track foreign visitors, which Arab/Muslim groups, including Zogby’s, strongly opposed. 1996 immigration law required computerized entry and exit tracking of all temporary visas, but was gutted by Abraham and other legislators. They refused to allocate money for the program and delayed its full implementation until 2005. In 2000, Abraham, as Chairman of the Immigration Subcommittee, delayed implementation of other requirements of the 1996 immigration measure, including university-assisted enforcement student visa laws and collection of fees from foreign students to pay for computer tracking.

These programs might have prevented the Sept. 11 attacks. But Abraham desperately craved the Arab/Muslim vote in Michigan.

Abraham also sponsored and pushed for the repeal of the use of secret evidence against terrorists, a vital portion of the Clinton counterterrorism package. He also sought to outlaw profiling of Arabs and Muslims by federal law enforcement.

Foreign aid funding for Hezbollah, rewarded by pseudo-foreign campaign contributions

In July 2000, Abraham sought over $268 million in tax-funded USAID grants for Hezbollah terrorist-controlled Southern Lebanon, at Arab American Institute’s Zogby’s request. Iranian- and Syrian-backed Hezbollah, has targeted and murdered many Americans. Millions in similar USAID grants (which have scant strings and accountability attached) to Afghanistan were misspent on Taliban terrorist activities. Abraham enlisted Michigan Republican Congressman Joe Knollenberg, on the House International Relations Committee, to push the questionable aid package in the House. They ended up obtaining $86 million, which went straight to Hezbollah and which was never tracked thereafter. They knew this, and that’s why they and Zogby sought the money for their Hezbollah friends.

Abraham and Knollenberg were repaid for their efforts, receiving thousands in campaign contributions from Nijad Fares, the Houston-based greencard-holding son of Syrian-backed Lebanese Deputy Prime Minister Issam Fares.

Soft on terrorism

Abraham was one of only two U.S. Senators who refused to sign an October 2000 letter to President Clinton condemning terrorist acts by Yasser Arafat and the P.L.O.

Abraham led the nearly successful June 2001 attempt to reverse the use of classified evidence against terrorists, sponsoring the legislation at the behest of Islamist groups, including the American Muslim Association (AMA) and the American Muslim Political Coordination Council (AMPCC), both headed by Agha Saeed.

In July 1999, Abraham wrote to Saeed, AMA, and AMPCC asking their support: “Your efforts are truly needed in the political arena. . . . You can truly make a difference in the political and policy arenas, and I remain committed to helping you achieve that goal.”

But Saeed openly praised Palestinian terrorism as “armed resistance” and appeared at lectures and events sponsored by Hamas front groups, including one panel, in which he was joined by the indicted Al-Arian, entitled: “Zionism: A Racist and Colonialist Ideology.” AMA-sponsored events featured these exhortations: “The trees and the stones will say, oh Muslim, there is a Jew hiding behind me. Come and kill him!” “Victory comes from Allah and Hezbollah is our model.” “Hear that, Bill Clinton? We are all supporters of Hamas.”

Given Spencer Abraham’s record of kowtowing to Arab, Muslim, and foreign interests on virtually every national security issue, his hegemony at Energy is disturbing. He should control no form of power—political or electric.

Posted by Debbie on July 25, 2007 04:20 PM to Debbie Schlussel

2.

And finally, there’s National Review’s excoriation of me because I dared raise questions about the pan-Jihadist behavior of Fred Thompson’s then-campaign manager Spencer Abraham (who lasted a week until the Thompson campaign saw its attack on me was not going to help and hired a new campaign manager). The inane NRO writer called it “hyperventilation.” One wonders why National Review didn’t call the same “hyperventilation” when, in 2000, conservatives complained that Al Gore’s Senior Campaign Advisor was similarly pan-Jihadist Jim Zogby (from whom Spencer Abraham took marching orders).

And that brings us to Fred Thompson. The Thompson people didn’t do much for the image of their “Roseanne” co-star candidate when they attacked me, since they couldn’t refute anything I’d written on Abraham. It didn’t help them much on Thompson’s official MySpace page when Thompson attacked me, saying he didn’t know anything about any “money laundrying.” The phrase “money laundrying” was used several times. I can understand that a multi-millionaire former lobbyist and Hollywood actor might not do his own laundry and know that the word is laundering, not laundrying. But it—and the rest of his nonsensical, illiterate “denial”—sure makes him sound like a stupid dope. Same for his calling me “racist,” since I was not aware that pan-Islamist dhimmi is now a “race.”

And speaking of stupid dopes, that brings us to those who are now saying I was wrong about Thompson because, this week, he hired someone else—not Abraham, who was his acting Campaign Manager until I exposed him—to be the Thompson campaign manager. He replaced him only because he had no choice—because of what I wrote about Thompson. And those who believe that this changes anything are stupid dopes.

Ditto for those (that means you, Mark Levin) who excused Thompson because he was “just hiring Abraham for his political experience.” Again, where were those conservatives when Al Gore was “just hiring Jim Zogby for his political experience”? They were correctly screaming about it. FYI, Abraham’s political experience was being a horrid liberal Republican U.S. Senator, losing as an incumbent after only one term, and frankly not being able to get arrested in Michigan these days. Too bad Fred didn’t keep him on for a certain loss.

Spencer Abraham:
Former Bush Energy Secretary, Current Pan-Islamist & Eternal Fred Thompson Advisor
If you believe that the new hire means that Spencer Abraham won’t remain a good friend and advisor to Fred Thompson, with Thompson’s ear, I have some land in Bint Jbeil, Lebanon to sell you. (That’s Hezbollah Country.) He will be like James Baker is to George W. Bush, an informal advisor and he will be very influential.


22 posted on 09/05/2007 8:49:58 AM PDT by pacelvi (In general, Democrats are the only real reason to vote for Republicans. - Thomas Sowell)
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To: fweingart

I see that Rudy is not the only one afraid of Fred.


23 posted on 09/05/2007 8:51:06 AM PDT by HoustonTech
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To: pacelvi

Umm... Abraham isn’t Thompson’s campaign manager. The media got that wrong, as with many other things. Abraham is on Thompson’s team, but in a non-policy role.


24 posted on 09/05/2007 8:57:43 AM PDT by kevkrom (The religion of global warming: "There is no goddess but Gaia and Al Gore is her profit.")
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To: kevkrom

Ummm maybe you should read ..

“And finally, there’s National Review’s excoriation of me because I dared raise questions about the pan-Jihadist behavior of Fred Thompson’s then-campaign manager Spencer Abraham (who lasted a week until the Thompson campaign saw its attack on me was not going to help and hired a new campaign manager). “


25 posted on 09/05/2007 9:00:16 AM PDT by pacelvi (In general, Democrats are the only real reason to vote for Republicans. - Thomas Sowell)
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To: pacelvi
Ummm... Schlussel is still wrong. Abraham was never going to be Thompson's campaign manager, and was never slated to be in a policy position.

The media jumped to conclusions without facts, and reported on each others' stories. This does not make them any more credible.

26 posted on 09/05/2007 9:14:03 AM PDT by kevkrom (The religion of global warming: "There is no goddess but Gaia and Al Gore is her profit.")
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To: kevkrom

Maybe you should read, like I said:

And speaking of stupid dopes, that brings us to those who are now saying I was wrong about Thompson because, this week, he hired someone else—not Abraham, who was his acting Campaign Manager until I exposed him—to be the Thompson campaign manager

Go ahead and defend Abraham if you want. I dont know how anyone can.. but whatever floats your boat man.


27 posted on 09/05/2007 9:22:39 AM PDT by pacelvi (In general, Democrats are the only real reason to vote for Republicans. - Thomas Sowell)
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To: pacelvi
I can read. I also know more than to use a single source.

Schlussel was dead-wrong about Abraham being Thompson's campaign manager. No matter how much she denies it or tries to spin it, she was wrong, merely repeating the rumors started by other media types based on their ignorance and assumptions.

With that fact gone, the rest of the information, all trying to paint Thompson with guilt-by-association to Abraham, is pointless. Abraham is not, was not, and never will be in a policy position with the Thompson campaign.

28 posted on 09/05/2007 10:22:26 AM PDT by kevkrom (The religion of global warming: "There is no goddess but Gaia and Al Gore is her profit.")
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To: kevkrom

I cant believe you’re defending someone who has this pig on his staff. It’s instructive that you don’t care, sad.


29 posted on 09/05/2007 10:25:43 AM PDT by pacelvi (In general, Democrats are the only real reason to vote for Republicans. - Thomas Sowell)
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To: pacelvi

It’s instructive to me that you stoop to shoddy guilt-by-association tactics to smear an otherwise solid conservative candidate.


30 posted on 09/05/2007 10:27:37 AM PDT by kevkrom (The religion of global warming: "There is no goddess but Gaia and Al Gore is her profit.")
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To: kevkrom

OF COURSE it’s guilt by association!

Fred hired! him. Abraham is rotten, his record is rotten and it’s very debatable as to what side he’s on. And yet Thompson hired him anyway. Doesn’t say much for his vetting process that he’s letting pro-jihadists onto his staff.. what’s he going to do when he has a whole govt to staff?


31 posted on 09/05/2007 10:42:28 AM PDT by pacelvi (In general, Democrats are the only real reason to vote for Republicans. - Thomas Sowell)
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To: pacelvi
Doesn’t say much for his vetting process that he’s letting pro-jihadists onto his staff..

A non-policy position. Abraham was hired for his political and communications expertise, not his politics.

32 posted on 09/05/2007 10:44:54 AM PDT by kevkrom (The religion of global warming: "There is no goddess but Gaia and Al Gore is her profit.")
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To: kevkrom

Which means nothing. He has a US Security underminder on his senior staff. Of course he’s going to have influence.


33 posted on 09/05/2007 10:48:13 AM PDT by pacelvi (In general, Democrats are the only real reason to vote for Republicans. - Thomas Sowell)
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To: kevkrom

Lets recap the actions of the sorts of men Thompason surrounds himself with:

Abraham’s frightening national security record included:

- Liberal immigration policy, including lax foreign visitor tracking, at the behest of Arab/Muslim groups; Tried to End Profiling, Secret Evidence Use Against Terrorists

- Abraham was Senate Immigration Subcommittee Chairman through the end of 2000.

— Abraham routinely caved to the demands of Arab/Muslim leaders, such as the Arab American Institute’s James Zogby, on national security matters, especially immigration.

“Ever since (I first met) him, Abraham has been coming to us and giving advice, support and the benefits of his leadership,” Zogby told The Detroit News.

And taking Zogby’s advice, too.

- Abraham actively worked to delay computer systems to track foreign visitors, which Arab/Muslim groups, including Zogby’s, strongly opposed. 1996 immigration law required computerized entry and exit tracking of all temporary visas, but was gutted by Abraham and other legislators.

— They refused to allocate money for the program and delayed its full implementation until 2005.

— In 2000, Abraham, as Chairman of the Immigration Subcommittee, delayed implementation of other requirements of the 1996 immigration measure, including university-assisted enforcement student visa laws and collection of fees from foreign students to pay for computer tracking.

— These programs might have prevented the Sept. 11 attacks. But Abraham desperately craved the Arab/Muslim vote in Michigan.

- Abraham also sponsored and pushed for the repeal of the use of secret evidence against terrorists, a vital portion of the Clinton counterterrorism package.

- He also sought to outlaw profiling of Arabs and Muslims by federal law enforcement.

- Foreign aid funding for Hezbollah, rewarded by pseudo-foreign campaign contributions

- In July 2000, Abraham sought over $268 million in tax-funded USAID grants for Hezbollah terrorist-controlled Southern Lebanon, at Arab American Institute’s Zogby’s request. Iranian- and Syrian-backed Hezbollah, has targeted and murdered many Americans. Millions in similar USAID grants (which have scant strings and accountability attached) to Afghanistan were misspent on Taliban terrorist activities.

- Abraham enlisted Michigan Republican Congressman Joe Knollenberg, on the House International Relations Committee, to push the questionable aid package in the House. They ended up obtaining $86 million, which went straight to Hezbollah and which was never tracked thereafter. They knew this, and that’s why they and Zogby sought the money for their Hezbollah friends.

- Abraham and Knollenberg were repaid for their efforts, receiving thousands in campaign contributions from Nijad Fares, the Houston-based greencard-holding son of Syrian-backed Lebanese Deputy Prime Minister Issam Fares.

- Soft on terrorism

- Abraham was one of only two U.S. Senators who refused to sign an October 2000 letter to President Clinton condemning terrorist acts by Yasser Arafat and the P.L.O.

- Abraham led the nearly successful June 2001 attempt to reverse the use of classified evidence against terrorists, sponsoring the legislation at the behest of Islamist groups, including the American Muslim Association (AMA) and the American Muslim Political Coordination Council (AMPCC), both headed by Agha Saeed.

- In July 1999, Abraham wrote to Saeed, AMA, and AMPCC asking their support: “Your efforts are truly needed in the political arena. . . . You can truly make a difference in the political and policy arenas, and I remain committed to helping you achieve that goal.”

But Saeed openly praised Palestinian terrorism as “armed resistance” and appeared at lectures and events sponsored by Hamas front groups, including one panel, in which he was joined by the indicted Al-Arian, entitled: “Zionism: A Racist and Colonialist Ideology.” AMA-sponsored events featured these exhortations: “The trees and the stones will say, oh Muslim, there is a Jew hiding behind me. Come and kill him!” “Victory comes from Allah and Hezbollah is our model.” “Hear that, Bill Clinton? We are all supporters of Hamas.”


34 posted on 09/05/2007 10:52:34 AM PDT by pacelvi (In general, Democrats are the only real reason to vote for Republicans. - Thomas Sowell)
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To: pacelvi

You can go on all you want about Abraham, it doesn’t matter. Your entire smear is based on the lie that Abraham has anything to do with team Thompson’s policy-making.


35 posted on 09/05/2007 10:54:34 AM PDT by kevkrom (The religion of global warming: "There is no goddess but Gaia and Al Gore is her profit.")
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To: fweingart
How is Tancredo doing, has his support swelled or is he more likely to drop out soon?
36 posted on 09/05/2007 10:54:54 AM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: kevkrom

Stating the man’s record is a smear?

Keep telling yourself that, tool.


37 posted on 09/05/2007 10:57:34 AM PDT by pacelvi (In general, Democrats are the only real reason to vote for Republicans. - Thomas Sowell)
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To: fweingart
Rudy is a cream puff Nancy Boy from and Upper Middle Class suburb on Lawn Guyland who is "tough" only due to the fact that he sent out REAL tough guys to go after squeegee men.

Rudy, in other words, is just a Twink "playing butch." Probably has a leather wardrobe too.

38 posted on 09/05/2007 10:59:14 AM PDT by Clemenza (Rudy Giuliani, like Pesto and Seattle, belongs in the scrap heap of '90s Culture)
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To: pacelvi
Stating the man’s record is a smear? Keep telling yourself that, tool.

You're not stating "the man's" record. You're stating another man's record in a pathetic attempt to smear "the man".

I don't care what Abraham's record is, it is irrelevant to Thompson's. If he hired Abraham as a policy adviser, it would matter. But he didn't, so it doesn't.

And throw another insult like "tool" at me, and you will be reported to the mods. Disagree all you like. Post smears about candidates all you like. But personal insults are against board policy.

39 posted on 09/05/2007 11:00:37 AM PDT by kevkrom (The religion of global warming: "There is no goddess but Gaia and Al Gore is her profit.")
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To: Clemenza
Rudy is a cream puff Nancy Boy from and Upper Middle Class suburb on Lawn Guyland who is "tough" only due to the fact that he sent out REAL tough guys to go after squeegee men.

And the dance police, don't forget the dance police. Goons sent out to bust taverns where "three or more people are swaying rhythmically to music". Now if that's not "getting tough" I don't know what is.

40 posted on 09/05/2007 11:40:42 AM PDT by Prokopton
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To: Clemenza
Rudy is a cream puff Nancy Boy from and Upper Middle Class suburb...

That's hard to believe knowing that his father served a long stretch or two in the pokey.

41 posted on 09/05/2007 12:04:59 PM PDT by fweingart (Tom Tancredo Will Get The Job Done! (PS: I Don't Like The Clintons.))
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To: A CA Guy

I don’t know, but I’ve been pumping money into the campaign because I feel he’s the only one that speaks conservative.


42 posted on 09/05/2007 12:06:13 PM PDT by fweingart (Tom Tancredo Will Get The Job Done! (PS: I Don't Like The Clintons.))
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To: traderrob6

Rooty knows the difference, but Fred hasn’t a clue.


43 posted on 09/05/2007 12:07:03 PM PDT by fweingart (Tom Tancredo Will Get The Job Done! (PS: I Don't Like The Clintons.))
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To: mnehrling
William F Buckley

Conservative?

Hardly.

Remember the Panama Canal!

44 posted on 09/05/2007 12:08:30 PM PDT by fweingart (Tom Tancredo Will Get The Job Done! (PS: I Don't Like The Clintons.))
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To: kevkrom

Here you go. I guess Fox and MM are liars too? sure, whatever you say.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,290622,00.html

Fred Thompson Announces Change in Campaign Managers

Tuesday, July 24, 2007

WASHINGTON — Republican presidential hopeful Fred Thompson is replacing his acting campaign manager with former senator and energy secretary Spencer Abraham and Florida GOP strategist Randy Enright.

Thompson spokeswoman Linda Rozett said acting campaign manager Tom Collamore, former vice president of food and tobacco giant Altria, still will advise the campaign. Collamore has helped organize the campaign for Thompson, who has not officially jumped into the race.

Abraham is a former Michigan senator who lost a bid for re-election in 2000 to Democratic Sen. Debbie Stabenow.

Rozett said Enright and Abraham both would be in charge of Thompson’s campaign. Enright is heading the political operation and Abraham doesn’t yet have a title, Rozett said.

http://michellemalkin.com/2007/07/26/fred-thompson-and-spencer-abraham-bad-combo/

Fred Thompson and Spencer Abraham: Bad combo
By Michelle Malkin • July 26, 2007 11:41 AM In my 2002 book Invasion (p. 71, 76), I noted the open-borders obstructionism of former Sen. Spencer Abraham (R-Michigan), who fought to block the implementation of two different tracking databases–one for foreign student visa holders and the other for all temporary visitors (which was mandated by Section 110 of the 1996 Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act). Abraham led efforts to starve the first database of funding and crusaded several times to kill Section 110 altogether. On September 11, 2001, neither of those databases was in place. To this day, they remain incomplete.

Now, Fred Thompson has gone and hired Open Border Spence as his acting campaign manager

Bad, bad move. If the Fred campaign is trying to win over grass-roots conservatives, this is a dumb way to do it.

Debbie Schlussel has followed the soft-on-terrorism career of Spencer Abraham. Yikes.


45 posted on 09/05/2007 12:32:51 PM PDT by pacelvi (In general, Democrats are the only real reason to vote for Republicans. - Thomas Sowell)
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To: pacelvi
I guess Fox and MM are liars too?

I never said Schussel was a liar, I said she was WRONG. There's a difference. All of these sources used the same sources for their incorrect information. Again, that makes them wrong, not liars.

Note the key sentences: "replacing his acting campaign manager with former senator and energy secretary Spencer Abraham and Florida GOP strategist Randy Enright... Enright is heading the political operation and Abraham doesn’t yet have a title."

People in the media read more into that than there was, and then reported on each other's misconceptions.

46 posted on 09/05/2007 12:41:41 PM PDT by kevkrom (The religion of global warming: "There is no goddess but Gaia and Al Gore is her profit.")
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To: fweingart

I don’t disagree with you about supporting him.

I only said I would like to see a stronger commercial.


47 posted on 09/05/2007 12:42:52 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: fweingart

Rudy grew up in Garden City. Do a Wiki search and check out the median income.


48 posted on 09/05/2007 12:51:13 PM PDT by Clemenza (Rudy Giuliani, like Pesto and Seattle, belongs in the scrap heap of '90s Culture)
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To: fweingart
Fred Thompson can act like a President, as Giuliani can act like a republican.. And Romney can act like he is a christian..

The only two real presidential candidates are Newt and Duncan.. America wants an actor for preseident so they will choose Hitlery (a traitor) whom acts like a patriot.. 2008 will be the first real time presidential sitcom..

49 posted on 09/05/2007 12:52:41 PM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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To: fweingart

GMAB, as is well-known I was a member of CFR for quite some time.

The CFR is a debate society; reflecting solid conservative views (such as my own, William F. Buckley, and Tom Tancredo), as well as liberal nutjobs.

Think of it as Hardball for the pin-head set.

All membership means is that the person is respected in whatever field they are in (me, oil) and can tolerate debating people with differing opinions.


50 posted on 09/05/2007 1:09:21 PM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Fred Thompson)
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