Posted on 09/05/2007 3:59:47 PM PDT by processing please hold
Carolyn
Cho was disqualified by a court in VA to possess guns and ammo. VA decided not to enter the records for that fed disqualification into the fed database. This law requires those records to be entered, so when a background check is run, those records show up.
That's right, he wouldn't be able to buy any guns through commercial channels. That's the point of including all the records. The rest is irrelevant.
You are entitled to your opinion, but the NRA is largely responsible for every stinking gun law on the books. It is for that reason alone that GOA exists in the first place. Compromise with the devil is not part of the second amendment.
I watched the BS of 1968 pass, followed in 1986 by the further BS that resulted in the completion of undergunning the public vis-a-vis government. When it comes to gun law the NRA is on the losing side IMHO.
I have been an NRA member 5 times, and every single time they engage in some moronic compromise, or back a candidate that has a less than stellar second amendment record, or decide so and so ought to be on the board versus the individual who truly supports Rights.
Pay your dues and watch your gun rights go down the river. Not my idea of fun. Looks to me like the NRA has been in the pockets of the politicians for years. They don’t want a solution to second amendment abusers, and gun grabbers, just keep all the hunters on the reservation.
So, How many criminals do you think buy their guns and ammo through commercial channels?.
I support both organizations but neither the NRA, nor GOA is the "alpha and omega" of gun rights organizations. Organizations such as JPFO, SAF, SAS, and RWVA are just as important in this battle.
"Want to Be a Good Gunowner?...
Want to Keep Your Freedom?
The LEAST you can do is the following:"1. Join the NRA. Also join other strong pro-gun organizations such as Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership (JPFO) P.O. Box 270143, Hartford, WI 53027, Citizen's Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms/Second Amendment Foundation, 12500 N.E. Tenth Place, Bellevue, WA 98005 [contributions to the foundation are tax-deductible], and Gun Owners of America, 8001 Forbes Place - Suite 102, Springfield, VA 22151 (703/321-8585). JPFO has an outstanding record for aggressively defending our firearms freedoms - be sure to get a copies of "Gun Control Kills Kid's" for distribution - it's the best educational comic on the 2nd Amendment available ($20 gets 50 copies - postpaid!) To join any of the above, just send a check for $20 and you can be a part of the effort..."
-- "Fred", Rifleman and organizer of Appleseed Shoots
According to Fred, I'm in good company. While I don't know him personally, he has my respect.
BTW, your comment on what is "irrelevant" is a classic 'tell'.
seemoAR asked:
"So, he wouldn't have been able to buy guns and ammo legally. Do you really think that would have stopped him?.
That's right, he wouldn't be able to buy any guns through commercial channels.
That's the point of including all the records. The rest is irrelevant.
44 by spunkets
Gotta love the concept that 'records are what's relevant'.. Oops..
Gun control will only work against honest citizens. Criminals by definition break the law. I guess all the gun control laws keep some people happy. They will not reduce crime.
Already, in California no one can buy any guns except "through commercial channels."
That's the real point of including all the records.
I think it's a little over the top to blame the NRA for the entire shift in political culture that we've seen since the 60's. You can say they failed to stop it, but I think it's a bit much to say that they are responsible for causing it. (but maybe I read you wrong)
I think the NRA is a different organization now than it was in the 60's. and like I said, I believe there is a place for a "no-compromise" view, but I don't think the GOA effectively delivers it. They spend too much time beating on their friends and family.
I remember when guns were sold by Sears and Roebuck. I put a shot gun on my bicycle and rode through town when I went hunting. I carried a 22 rifle in a school play when I was in junior high. I guess those guns were less lethal or were better trained than the ones we have now.
"Well at least you're being polite about it," --
" their exaggeration -- [the GOA's] -- allows our enemies to depict us as a bunch of lying idiots."
Gotta love all that politeness.
I posted them and you failed to address the specifics. Also, they are not gun control databases. The relevant database entries this paritcular law is concerned with are records of folks adjudicated to be a danger to themselves, or others, due to mental defect. I see no legitimate reason to allow paranoid schiz patients to possess dangerous items, such as guns.
"Seems to me that the GOA has a valid concern about the lying idiots in the gun control movement."
They haven't given any.
" BTW, your comment on what is "irrelevant" is a classic 'tell'. ... Gotta love the concept that 'records are what's relevant'.. Oops..
The law addressess specifics and has a specific purpose, all else is irrelevant.
None.
Not true. GOA fund-raising hype.
How can any bill sponsored (or co sponsored and backed) by the likes of McCarthy and Schumer be any good for us?
Why would the NRA join with the anti gunners on this bill?
Besides, they will still call us nuts no matter what we do so why give them even an inch?
WOW!
What flavor is the NRA koolaid today?
You lost me when you said that the law “merely” changed from may to must.
Is that all?
If the GOA is guilty of overstatement, the NRA is just as guilty of understating the threat and that is more dangerous.
Darn, I finally got an honest answer. So let’s penalize all the honest law abiding citizens of this Nation so the criminals can’t buy guns and ammo through commercial channels they don’t even use. People who are said to have mental problems can also obtain weapons.
Yes, that's all this law amounts to, besides implementation funding, and the requirement that an effective remedy be made available for those whose mental defect disappears for whatever reason.
"the NRA is just as guilty of understating the threat and that is more dangerous."
What is, is. This law is specific and limited. There are no threats that can arise under this law, other than nebulous irrational possibilities.
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