Posted on 09/07/2007 11:04:48 AM PDT by theothercheek
NEW YORK, September 6, 2007--Abe Foxman’s limo circled the 92nd Street Y warily a couple of times to give him a chance to survey the scene across the street. A group of 40 to 50 young Armenians and Jews were protesting the Anti-Defamation League’s continued lobbying to have HR/SR 106 (a symbolic Congressional resolution that recognizes the Armenian Genocide) die without a floor vote, at the behest of Turkey.
Finally, Foxman ducked into the building to participate in a panel discussion on "anti-Semitism in the modern world and its implications." Ironically, the discussion was moderated by Fordham Law Professor Thane Rosenbaum, author of "The Myth of Moral Justice: Why Our Legal System Fails to Do What's Right." The event had been sold out for days, so The Stiletto does not know whether Rosenbaum asked Foxman why he failed to do the right thing in recognizing the Armenian Genocide until several communities in MA refused to accept the ADL’s tolerance promotion program, "No Place For Hate" in their schools.
Some protestors were holding handmade signs demanding that the ADL fire Foxman over his Armenian Genocide Denial, others were holding signs demanding that Foxman support HR/SR 106. Among the slogans they chanted non-stop for more than an hour:
"Fox’s bargain is a shame!
No more denial in our name.""Gars, Auschwitz, Rwanda Sudan.
Many a murder, when will it end?""What did Hitler say?
Who remembers the Armenians?
We do. We do. We do.""ADL must support Resolution 106"
And the ever-popular:
"What do we want? Justice.
When do we want it? Now."
The Stiletto caught up with a woman who gave her age as "60ish," just as she was about to enter the Y to hear Foxman. She was interested in what Foxman had to say about "contemporary anti-Semitism." Asked what she thought about the crowd protesting the ADL’s Armenian Genocide denial, she mused, "Does ‘never again’ mean for everybody or just for Jews?" She answered her own question: "It is important for Jews to recognize the Genocide. We are conscious of other people’s oppression, not just our own."
As it was nearly 8:15 pm and the rest of the ticket-holders were scurrying inside so they could take their seats before the evening’s program got under way, The Stiletto crossed the street to meet some of the protesters and find out why they opposed Foxman’s positions on the Armenian Genocide and on HR/SR 106.
"I am Jewish," said documentary filmmaker Lauren Kesner, 30, "but I have very strong Armenian connections because I lived in Armenia for several years working on a film" about the 1994 war between Armenia and Azerbaijan over the Nagorno Karabakh region. That film, "A Story of People In War & Peace," had its U.S. premiere (video link) at the Tribeca Film Festival a few weeks ago.
Kesner believes the ADL’s position on the Armenian Genocide is realpolitik, plain and simple: "Turkey is Israel’s most important ally in the Middle East. Because the Jewish community supports Israel, they don’t want to get on Turkey’s bad side." Recognizing that the Armenian Genocide is "a sensitive issue" for supporters of Israel, she nevertheless insists that, "Jews – of all people – need to stand up to the injustice of genocide, because of how the Holocaust traumatized the Jewish community worldwide."
The Armenians she lived amongst are still haunted by the Genocide, and "it rubs salt in the wounds to deny it."
The anti-Foxman protest is the first of many that will bring Armenians and Jews together to fight for justice, said Doug Geogerian, 38, who sits on the board of the Eastern Region of the Armenian National Committee (ANCA), a grassroots lobby that promotes Armenian-American issues. He marvels at how Foxman "is using the ADL and its reputation of having fought the KKK and neo-nazis, to collaborate with the Turkish government and deny the Armenian Genocide."
Geogerian added, "Supporting Turkey benefits Israel. But there is also a cost - a cost in public integrity. Many Jews are starting to feel that the cost is too great."
Note: The Stiletto writes about politics and other stuff at The Stiletto Blog.
Although I very mucg support the State of Israel, I never was a fan of Abe Foxman’s. He’s an old kvetcher that has lost any logic he may have possessed. Too much kvetching and too many geshrei (crying and bellyaching) and no one takes you seriously.
Real Jews should be the ones picketing this fat bastard. He has done more to hurt the image of Jews than to help it (yes I am a Jew and despise Foxman beyond words)
What about the genocide against the poor American native Indians? Will the ADL put on pow wow dress and protest that, too? And what about the genocide against the buffalo?
Can I ask you something? Who, exactly, supports him. Because everytime his name comes up, every Jewish person within earshot says exactly what you just did.
Are you comparing the slaughter of 1.5 million Armenians to buffalo? You’re a sick, sick man.
PC BS for PC BS.
The same kind of victimology came at Jewish people from the Serb Defense League types, the Russians, and now...
Hmmm. A quick search with the keywords, “antisemitism armenia” (without the quotes), revealed some information from Turks (heh),...
Antisemitism in Armenia: Two Examples
from the Journal of Turkish Weekly
http://www.turkishweekly.net/articles.php?id=117
Armenian Anti-Semitism in the Ottoman Period
from the Journal of Turkish Weekly
http://www.turkishweekly.net/comments.php?id=1132
...from Radio Free Europe,...
Armenia: Country’s Jews Alarmed Over Nascent Anti-Semitism
http://www.rferl.org/featuresarticle/2005/01/162399d3-7533-454c-b935-b5933b68c75c.html
...and well, one more link,...
ANTI-SEMITISM IN ARMENIA
(2002-2006)
Vyacheslav Likhachev,
Rimma Varzhapetyan, Chairman of the Jewish community of Armenia
“Armenians and Aryans”: Displays of anti-Semitism
“Among Armenian thoughts that have contributed to anti-Semitic attitudes is the theory that Jews organized the Genocide in 1915.”
But many more hits were returned from the search engines.
And BTW, did Armenia join Russia’s SCO, or is its leadership still hemming and hawing about that?
The Russians have really been stirring stuff up around here and also doing so through several other proxies.
And I'm not Jewish, BTW.
What is PC about the Armenian Genocide? And, for that matter, what is BS about it? Explain yourself.
hehe, the Rainbow/push website is blocked at my office...
Yeah - Jackson can’t exist without the Rainbow Coalition and Foxman can’t exist without the ADL. Good point!
Ah...that “one more link” here. There’s often something else behind the projections we see.
ANTI-SEMITISM IN ARMENIA
(2002-2006)
Vyacheslav Likhachev,
Rimma Varzhapetyan, Chairman of the Jewish community of Armenia
http://www.eajc.org/program_art_e.php?id=39
“Armenians and Aryans”: Displays of anti-Semitism
“Among Armenian thoughts that have contributed to anti-Semitic attitudes is the theory that Jews organized the Genocide in 1915.”
No, you explain yourself. It’s old news. The Jews did not try to exterminate the Armenians, as is implied in the projection. The story is cover for what’s going on in Armenia now (one of Putin’s new proxies).
no, I believe that "he's" comparing the slaughter of American Indians to buffalo. I know, how dare we live here before you.
Frankly, I'm sick and friggin' tired about who killed who back in the 40's when the US saved the day.
People should spend more time fighting in the present and learning from the past...
no, I believe that "he's" comparing the slaughter of American Indians to buffalo. I know, how dare we live here before you.
Frankly, I'm sick and friggin' tired about who killed who back in the 40's when the US saved the day.
People should spend more time fighting in the present and learning from the past...
No, I was asking as to why any Jewish organization (even a lefty one) should put its resources into broadcasting about every historical war that happened. It’s obvious as to where the tactic is coming from.
Abe Foxman is the Al Sharpton of Judaism.
Could be some type of exclusive rights or franchise agreements.
By acknowledging that millions of other people were killed during that war for many reason it kind of dilutes the holocaust claims
"Also, this guy, [Abraham] Foxman, this head of the ADL [Anti-Defamation League] -- another fake from top to bottom. I don't talk about people; it's not my nature. ... He's a total fake. ... Let's be honest about it -- anybody who makes a life out of fighting racism in effect has to blow up racism in order to justify himself in his job he has. Otherwise he'd have to go to work. Otherwise he'd have to get up in the morning and get a real job."
And BTW, the UK is the nation demanding continued US friendliness with Turkey. ...oil, natural gas and other resources piped through there for the UK.
You are a Turkish apologist (if not a Turk) and Armenian Genocide denier.
You either need glasses or a refresher course in how to read. There is nothing in the post that suggests Jews were involved in the Armenian Genocide. However, for years leaders of the Jewish community have been deeply involved in Armenian Genocide denial.
The Turks got away with the Armenian Genocide and continue to deny it occurred so that they do not have to pay reparations to the Armenians. Hitler did not get away with the Holocaust because he ended up shooting himself in the head in a bunker and Germany had to pay reparations to the Jews. Now, here you are a genocidal dictator looking at the lessons of history and you figure, you got a 50-50 chance of getting away with it. If I guess “never again” doesn’t really mean “never again” then every genocidal dictator who comes along will think the odds are good enough to go for it.
Right, the Jewish community has been deeply involved in denying the Armenian genocide.
I don't see this as a religious issue, but let's see.
Ambassador Morgenthau, the first to raise the alarm, who resigned from government. He was what, hint, not Lutheran.
Raphael Lemkin, quoted on Armenian sites I believe, who was inspired in his career choice by the Armenian genocide, coined the term, as is thought by most to be responsible for the genocide treaty. From Poland, he must have been Catholic.
Abe Foxman, you know he's Jewish, he puts out a statement that the Armenian genocide was a act of genocide, but he won't press Congress for a resolution. IMO he shouldn't.
That represents denial in your mind.
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Yes, you are correct. I should have said “in the past 20 -30 years ...”
But since you are such a student of history, you should know that Morganthau was unsuccessful in getting the US government to intervene, and Lemkin was unsuccessful in getting the word/concept “genocide” accepted in his lifetime.
BTW, one of my more nice and respectable neighbors has the surname of Kraft. He told me that he’s an “Inuit” (Eskimo), and he does not quite understand a Cherokee sense of humor. ;-)
"Groovy"...well I guess it's how you define groovy. If you mean hard working, proud conservative Americans willing to fight and die for their beliefs, yeah groovy is a good descriptive.
There's a big difference amongst AI tribes/nations. That whole happy hunting ground and rain dance cr@p doesn't fit the Navajo Way...
Heck, you've got a better than 50/50 chance if your politics are correct! Walk around with a swastika on your T-shirt and enjoy the reactions. You can buy shirts with the ol' hammer and sickle plus various communist superstars on it in many stores.
ps Where do I sign up for this "genocidal dictator" gig and hows the health plan?
There have been people in my family who were the victims of genocide and I really do not appreciate the callousness of the comments on this thread. If you want to become a genocidal dictator I suggest that you move to Venezuela or to Iran. They even have nationalized health insurance.
Toughin up. This is America and FR doesn't guarantee that your feelings won't be hurt.
And you don't need tell me about genocide. My people were hunted and killed by illegal immigrants (Euros)for centuries but when the time came when Americans where called upon to save the world, we served our country and we did it well.
You won't get any pity from me.
You have no pity to give. Let’s get a few things straight, though:
1. There is no such thing as a “native” on the North American continent. It was a barren wasteland until people crossed the long-gone Siberian land bridge. So the very first people on this continent were “immigrants.”
2. Not even one generation after having most of their fathers, brothers and sons cut down by the Turks, Armenians served in the Russian army to fight Hitler. What were the “neutral” Turks doing in WWII? They were secretly supplying the German war machine with chromium.
3. My father drove ammo trucks for the US in the Egyptian desert during WWII (he lied about his age so they would take him) and then served his country again during the Korean War. Oh, and by the way my uncle did two tours in Viet Nam. You are not the only man to have served his country and it doesn’t entitle you to be an SOB.
Heh. That’s true!
Oops. I meant “groovy” as in the notorious, lefty few here in the west. They get a lot of attention. Chief Corntassle Smith had a funny little debate with one a few years ago—one who looked “like a real Indian” and objected to naming sports teams after popular, generalizing concepts about Indians.
You and nativeson are fine specimens of manhood ganging up on a girl. Better answer the phone - that’s the pharmacy telling you your viagra presciption is ready for pick-up.
We don’t need viagra. Before long Iberian-Turkish-Caucasion Europeans will be part western Indian, too. It’s part of our plan for taking over the world.
Jews-in-Name-Only (JINOs) are the only people who send this fat repulsive charlatan cash. JINOs, who despise the Torah and love Marxism, see Christians as the enemy and religious Judiasm to be nearly as bad. They are scum. Thankfully most of them are either dying out (FL, AZ), aborting their babies, intermarrying or turning gay. So hopefully, as with the Israelites after the Golden Calf, they will be cleansed from our tribe within 40 years.
I don't know of any "denial," other than Foxman's recent opposition to the congressional resolution. In fact, most Jews would recognize that Hitler got some of "inspiration" for his Holocaust from his observation of the atrocities committed by the Ottoman Turks on the Armenians during WWI.
Ping!
I can’t figure out why Foxman needs to go around in a limousine.
Mention the death of a couple of million German civilians in Eastern Europe in 1945-46 and see what falls on your head.
Everybody has “their” genocide that they think takes precedence over any other atrocity. I would just like to see history accurately recorded, but the greivance-mongers don’t make any money from that.
Playing the “girl card”, huh? That’s a cop-out.
You ask how many Jews support Foxman. Not me (and I am as strong a supporter of Israel as they come)!
As others have implied, he is the Jewish equivalent of Jesse Jackson - a self-important hypocrite who is more concerned with his own image than with helping the Jewish people. He has a major meltdown whenever a Christian leader reiterates the Torah’s position on abortion or gay marriage, but barely makes a peep when the Muzzies denounce us as descendants of apes and pigs.
That said, what exactly is the point of a congressional resolution? Would it accompany some type of political action, such as economic sanctions, or is it simply a symbolic way of stating “Government Cares” in order to give bored senators and congresscritters something to do on a slow day?
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