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Down syndrome dangers: A new prenatal policy is the worst kind of social engineering
WORLD ^ | September 15, 2007 | Joni Eareckson Tada

Posted on 09/08/2007 2:09:21 PM PDT by rhema

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To: rhema
Recently Doug said, "Joni, when I get married, I hope that my wife and I will have a child with Down syndrome."

That is a sick thing to wish upon your own child. It sounds like Doug suffers from stunted emotional development. And Doug should also contemplate who will care for this child when he's old or gone. Grow up Doug!

21 posted on 09/08/2007 3:04:59 PM PDT by AlaskaErik (I served and protected my country for 31 years. Democrats spent that time trying to destroy it.)
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To: tiki

“..they couldn’t believe she wouldn’t.”

Take heart, there are still the loving and compassonate in this world. I have two daughters-—one who has a two year old and one expecting a baby in October. when asked if they wanted THAT test, they each replied, “Now just what in the hell would I do with that information if I knew? Commit murder? We’re pretty plain spoken here in Texas.

Sometimes, God lets us know we raised them right.


22 posted on 09/08/2007 3:07:23 PM PDT by texaslil (LOL)
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To: rhema

I’ll post this true account every time the subject comes up.

A young couple I worked with was told their baby had downs syndrom, months before the child was to be born.
The Father wanted to abort and the Mother would have nothing to do with the idea of killing her baby.
The BABY WAS BORN PERFECTLY HEALTHY!
Can you imagine being in that Father’s shoes today?
THESE TESTS ARE FLAWED!!!
And even if they were not, it is no excuse to kill these gifts from God!


23 posted on 09/08/2007 3:14:44 PM PDT by G Larry (Only strict constructionists on the Supreme Court!)
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To: SauronOfMordor

I think you should google Joni Erikson and find out who she is and what disability she has before you conjecture things like this.


24 posted on 09/08/2007 3:15:03 PM PDT by Emrys (Fashion says "Me, too." Style says, "Only me.")
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To: rhema

I haven’t seen Joni in a long time. She looks great.
I was at Chuck Swindol’s church at EV Free when
she and Tada announced their engagement.


25 posted on 09/08/2007 3:17:48 PM PDT by Jo Nuvark (Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3)
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To: rhema
a sad reflection of the growing premise in our society that a person is "better off dead than disabled."

And somebody else gets to make that decision for the disabled person.....not the disabled person himself.

26 posted on 09/08/2007 3:20:29 PM PDT by Lizavetta ( Politicians: When they're speaking, they're lying - when they're not speaking, they're stealing.)
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To: Emrys; texaslil; G Larry; MTMS; AlaskaErik; GATOR NAVY; TheSarce; wagglebee; rhema; 230FMJ; 49th; ..

These people are so joyful. It
should be called “UP” Syndrome.


27 posted on 09/08/2007 3:25:23 PM PDT by Jo Nuvark (Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3)
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To: Paperdoll
These are the angels sent to show us true purity of heart.

They are better human beings than most abortion doctors.

28 posted on 09/08/2007 3:25:49 PM PDT by reg45
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To: Rudder

Like killing female new-borns. Or the witch hunts that afflicted Europe for three hundred years.


29 posted on 09/08/2007 3:30:04 PM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: SauronOfMordor

You don’t know much about her, do you?


30 posted on 09/08/2007 3:37:06 PM PDT by umbagi
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To: AlaskaErik
Thank you. My son has Downs' syndrome and I would do anything to make him healthy. Perhaps Doug doesn't see the problems though the charm.

In case anyone is unfamiliar: many Downs' kids have heart defects, compromised immunity systems, digestive issues, eating disorders and a myriad of other problems. They are also more susceptible to blood disorders.

My son almost died three years ago from pneumonia - it is only through the grace of God* he's still with us. He's sweet, charming and I could not love him any more than I do, but to consider a genetic defect a good thing bothers me to no end.

That is a sick thing to wish upon your own child. It sounds like Doug suffers from stunted emotional development.

*with plenty of Freeper prayers - thank you all.

31 posted on 09/08/2007 3:48:21 PM PDT by Salo
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To: rhema

I was offered all these tests even though I am only 28. I turned them all down, said it wouldn’t matter either way. My baby’s my baby no matter how far from my personal ideal he is. It’s so much better that way.


32 posted on 09/08/2007 4:16:20 PM PDT by mockingbyrd (peace begins in the womb)
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To: rhema; Jo Nuvark

! ... Joni bump to the top.


33 posted on 09/08/2007 4:21:19 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support. Defend life support for others in the womb.)
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To: Salo; RobbyS; umbagi; Paperdoll; Rudder; SauronOfMordor; Emrys; Lizavetta; AlaskaErik; rhema; ...

[... Doug said, “I hope that my wife and I will
have a child with Downs syndrome (some day)”.

You said, “That is a sick thing to wish upon your
own child”.

Perhaps what Doug means is, IF God should choose
to give them a Downs child, he would consider it
a blessing. Now is that really so sick?

Children are ours only for a season. They belong
to God forever.

******

My daughter has Turner Syndrome. It is the
exact opposite Downs. She is missing a chromosome,
where Down’s people have an extra chromosome.


34 posted on 09/08/2007 4:27:04 PM PDT by Jo Nuvark (Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3)
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To: everyone

I am a bit conflicted about this story. First off, when my wife became pregnant, we carefully discussed whether to test for potential genetic problems. But doing so at the time carried a small, but not insignificant risk, of losing the baby. We didn’t want to take that risk, and decided that no matter how our child turned out, we would love him or her the best we could. Turned out that my son was born with Down Syndrome. We were extremely fortunate. Unlike many children with Down Syndrome, he is very healthy. He is also quite articulate and doing well in high school as a junior. But at 17 he is still a child, enjoying watching power rangers. Our life has revolved around our son in many ways, and our future is determined by him as well, because we find ourselves needing to retire to a community with the proper services to take care of him when we grow old and die. We will never have grandchildren. Our son will never have the kinds of contacts many young adults enjoy.

Would I change things if I could? In a heartbeat. Do I regret having my son? Not in the slightest. Paradoxical? Perhaps. But I love my son. He has given me so many joyous moments. How could I regret his first word, said in church, when he raised his arms to his mother and said “up”? Or his laughter when I tickled him? Or his hugs and heartfelt “I love you dad”, when I see him in the halls at school?

But there are many Down Syndrome children and adults not as fortunate as my son. Many are more profoundly retarded than he is, many have serious health problems. And not all Down Syndrome children are as socially outgoing as my son either. Despite the happy talk, Down Syndrome children can be just as mean and nasty as normal children. We have seen that here in our own small town.

So, when confronted with the possibility of a Down Syndrome child in your own life or family, think long and hard about what that child will mean to you, and you to him or her. Don’t sugarcoat the potential difficulties. Let me give you an example. When my son was 12 months old, we were communicating with him in sign language, because he had not started to talk yet. I saw a program on tv about Down Syndrome children, some of whom could barely talk. I found myself sobbing uncontrollably because I might never be able to talk with my son. Ever. If you can handle such a possibility (and there are many other issues you might have to confront with a Down Syndrome child), then perhaps you are prepared to have a Down Syndrome child in your life.


35 posted on 09/08/2007 4:28:14 PM PDT by burster
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To: MHGinTN; Salo; RobbyS; umbagi; Paperdoll; Rudder; SauronOfMordor; Emrys; Lizavetta; AlaskaErik; ...

MAMA By Jo Nuvark (Written in 1992)

Mama ... Mama ... Don’t blame me for your blues.
I may be inconvenient, but it’s much too late to choose.
Listen with your heart, you’ll hear my still small voice.
Let me live I’ll be your life, your child not your choice.

Mama ... Mama ... Give me time to work my charms.
When you see my face, you’ll know the place for me is in your arms.
I’m not lonely just alone and looking forward to
The way you’ll hold me Mama just like God is holding you.

Like a summer breeze and the morning dove,
We were chosen for each other by the Lord of love.
Agreeing with each breath and sigh in unison,
We’re two hearts beating rhythm as a single drum.

Mama ... Mama ... I’m yours by God’s design.
Your custom composition, a clipping from His vine.
Eternally He’s known our names for such a time as this.
Fashioned for each other’s needs to cherish, love and bless.

Mama ... Mama ... If it’s hard to understand,
Just look at this from heaven, then you’ll see God’s hand.
Let my smile dance with yours. Let our songs be one voice.
Mama ... Oh Mama ... Please make me your choice.


36 posted on 09/08/2007 4:35:35 PM PDT by Jo Nuvark (Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3)
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To: Jo Nuvark; LibreOuMort

Ouch. Very good!!!!


37 posted on 09/08/2007 4:42:57 PM PDT by sionnsar (trad-anglican.faithweb.com |Iran Azadi| 5yst3m 0wn3d - it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY) | UN: Useless Nations)
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To: MHGinTN

Did you ever the movie about her accident?
What a testimony!

-Jo-


38 posted on 09/08/2007 4:44:30 PM PDT by Jo Nuvark (Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3)
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To: sionnsar

Thanks sionnsar.
This is extremely personal with me.
It’s really a song, but ...


39 posted on 09/08/2007 4:45:55 PM PDT by Jo Nuvark (Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3)
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To: MHGinTN

SEE!!! Did you ever SEE the movie? Sheesh!


40 posted on 09/08/2007 4:47:33 PM PDT by Jo Nuvark (Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3)
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