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Newly found Pearl Harbor photos? (Vanity)
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Posted on 09/09/2007 6:17:54 AM PDT by decimon

I received these in an email. They are said to be from some film found in a Brownie camera in a footlocker.



TOPICS: Miscellaneous; US: Hawaii; Unclassified
KEYWORDS: pearlharbor; wwii

1 posted on 09/09/2007 6:17:54 AM PDT by decimon
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To: Admin Moderator

I paged you for not being sure this post is acceptable.


2 posted on 09/09/2007 6:19:19 AM PDT by decimon
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To: decimon

I’ve seen some of those in books. Especially the one with the two destroyers in dry dock.


3 posted on 09/09/2007 6:20:27 AM PDT by neodad (USS Vincennes (CG-49) Freedom's Fortress)
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To: neodad

I’ve seen most of these before, myself.


4 posted on 09/09/2007 6:22:34 AM PDT by Strategerist
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To: Temple Owl

ping


5 posted on 09/09/2007 6:23:32 AM PDT by Tribune7 (Michael Moore bought Haliburton)
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To: neodad
I believe you are talking about the 4th one from the top?

That appears to have been taken with a wide-angle lens, which rules out a Brownie.

6 posted on 09/09/2007 6:23:50 AM PDT by Slump Tester ( What if I'm pregnant Teddy? Errr-ahh Calm down Mary Jo, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it)
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To: decimon
Snopes: Real photos; inaccurate description

The photos are great though. I recall when they made the rounds and was amazed. ;-D

7 posted on 09/09/2007 6:25:00 AM PDT by Daffynition (The quieter you become, the more you are able to hear.)
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To: decimon

I’ve seen a couple of those, but not all. THANKS!


8 posted on 09/09/2007 6:26:36 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: neodad

LOL.
These pictures are great!
Since they just recently have made their debut, I will refrain from insisting Ive seen the photos before.
So typical around here.
So, thanks again.


9 posted on 09/09/2007 6:28:04 AM PDT by maineman (BC Eagle fan)
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To: All

The pictures do not appear to be from the same camera. Since I got them in an email, through a Yahoo Group, I figured they would be making the rounds so I posted them for reactions. Didn’t have to wait long for reactions. :-)


10 posted on 09/09/2007 6:28:27 AM PDT by decimon
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To: decimon
These pictures of the Pearl Harbor attack are authentic;
several months ago they first appeared on the Internet.
Beyond that I'm not sure who took them or the type of camera in use,
it could be a Kodak Brownie, although I was under the impression Kodak
didn't come out with that particular camera until sometime in the early 1950's.
11 posted on 09/09/2007 6:31:49 AM PDT by BluH2o
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To: BluH2o

The story behind the pictures doesn’t add up but I thought the pictures might be new. Guess not.


12 posted on 09/09/2007 6:34:17 AM PDT by decimon
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To: BluH2o; decimon
The history of the Brownie camera.

The Brownie Camera @100: A Celebration

13 posted on 09/09/2007 6:38:00 AM PDT by csvset
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To: Tijeras_Slim

As I looked at them here I thought to myself, “Boy whoever took all those photos with his Brownie sure got around to a lot of places that day” and then became suspicious.


14 posted on 09/09/2007 6:39:05 AM PDT by waimea.man
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To: Slump Tester
I believe you are talking about the 4th one from the top?

That appears to have been taken with a wide-angle lens, which rules out a Brownie.

The destroyers are the Cassin (DD-372) and Downes (DD-375) and the battleship astern is the Pennsylvania (BB-38). They were all in drydock, which flooded. The two destroyers were damaged beyond repair, the the Pennsylvania lived to fight again.

15 posted on 09/09/2007 6:42:51 AM PDT by neodad (USS Vincennes (CG-49) Freedom's Fortress)
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To: VR-21

bump


16 posted on 09/09/2007 6:43:08 AM PDT by VR-21
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To: BluH2o
Drinking Coffee   http://www.kodak.com/US/en/corp/features/brownieCam/

Brownie (original model)

OBJECT TYPE: Camera
MANUFACTURER: Eastman Kodak Company
FABRICATOR: Brownell Manufacturing Co.
DESIGNER: Brownell, Frank A.
NATIONALITY: American
PLACE MANUFACTURED: US, NY, Rochester
INTRODUCTION DATE: Feb. 1900
PRODUCTION DATES: Feb. 1900-Oct. 1901
PATENT DATE: Apr. 11, 1899
FILM TYPE: 117 rollfilm
IMAGE SIZE: 2¼ x 2¼in.
ORIGINAL LIST PRICE: $1.00
APPROXIMATE MANUFACTURED QUANTITY: 260,000
FUNCTIONAL TYPE: box
STANDARD LENSES/SHUTTERS: meniscus
INTEGRATED SHUTTER: Yes

NOTES:
  Leatherette covered card box camera. Earliest models (about 15,000)
  have slide-off back; improved version introduced March 15, 1900 have
  bottom hinged card back with sliding metal latch. Camera uses 'V'
  sighting frame, waist level add-on finder available August 1900.
  Detachable winding key. Most of this first batch was sent to
  Kodak Limited.
  US patent numbers: 622,955 (04/11/99), 662,762 (11/27/00), 725,034
  (04/14/03)
  The Feb. 1900 Trade Circular lists a 6 exposure roll of transparent
  film at 15¢ paper-negative film at 10¢, 40¢ for processing (6 exp1901)
  The first cameras were shipped on Feb. 8, 1900, according to the EKC
  camera production manuscript.
  The Brownie character box is first announced in the June 1901 EKC
  Trade Circular.

OBJECT IDENTIFIER: E130.00034
VIDEODISC 1, FRAME NUMBER: 215

BIBLIOGRAPHIC REFERENCES:
Gibson, Dave & Ryon, Don. --Kodak Camera Chronology.-- US, NY, Rochester: UNPUBLISHED, 1984.//
Coe, Brian. --Kodak Cameras: The First Hundred Years.-- Hove, East Sussex: Hove Foto Books, 1988. pp. 34.//

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Brownie (original model)

Reposition image


17 posted on 09/09/2007 6:44:03 AM PDT by HawaiianGecko (There are scandals that need to be addressed. Republicans address them, Democrats re-elect them.)
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To: BluH2o; decimon; maineman
Just a heads-up to #7, with a link to Snopes. Summary: Real photos, fake provenance.
18 posted on 09/09/2007 6:46:55 AM PDT by ReignOfError
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To: waimea.man

It’s amazing how long film will keep in an undeveloped state. A friend recently (18 months ago) developed some 8mm movie film he shot while in Viet Nam. Half of it had gone bad, but the rest looked like it was shot last week.
Color stuff is not as good as the B&W, at least a third of the Ektacrome slides I took in VN have lost all the colors except red.


19 posted on 09/09/2007 6:48:53 AM PDT by BuffaloJack (Before the government can give you a dollar it must first take it from another American)
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To: BluH2o
Kodak Brownie, although I was under the impression Kodak didn't come out with that particular camera until sometime in the early 1950's.

I have great photos from my childhood taken in the late 30's-early 40's with the Brownie Box Camera - and photos at the same time of my mother WITH the box camera in her hands. They took great quality photos - and they'd already been around a few decades by then

20 posted on 09/09/2007 6:51:03 AM PDT by maine-iac7 ( "...but you can't fool all of the people all the time." LINCOLN)
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To: decimon

#12 has a clock face superimposed in the right-hand corner. Pro job.


21 posted on 09/09/2007 6:52:03 AM PDT by poindexter
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To: HawaiianGecko

The Brownie camera I’m referring to was relatively small with the view finder on top and dark brown in color ... the camera shown, although evidently called a Brownie was also referred to as a box camera.


22 posted on 09/09/2007 6:52:12 AM PDT by BluH2o
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To: BuffaloJack
It’s amazing how long film will keep in an undeveloped state.

I used to work for Kodak. The company newsletter would sometimes have stories of people sending in decades old undeveloped film. Kodak took pride in developing those films and the quality of the pictures was at times amazing for film 'stored' in some dresser drawer or attic trunk.

23 posted on 09/09/2007 6:57:26 AM PDT by decimon
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To: poindexter
#12 has a clock face superimposed in the right-hand corner. Pro job.

Yes, who did that had above average skills.

24 posted on 09/09/2007 6:59:23 AM PDT by decimon
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To: decimon

It’s a great collection of photos (and hijacked to my hard drive!).

BUT...at least for the drydock photo, it appears to be the same as
one already listed with the navy.
Now, if that’s not to say that the dry dock photo (and others)
didn’t originate from film in a Brownie found sometime after the
great day’s events.

Here’s URLs for the Navy photo and main index for the Navy’s online
photo collection:

http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/images/g10000/g19943.jpg

http://www.history.navy.mil/branches/org11-2.htm


25 posted on 09/09/2007 7:08:09 AM PDT by VOA
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To: maineman

Check the link in post #7 before you LOL.


26 posted on 09/09/2007 7:23:40 AM PDT by drpix
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To: decimon

WHere’s the irrefutable evidence of Pearl Harbor being BUSH’S FAULT?


27 posted on 09/09/2007 7:35:01 AM PDT by JRios1968 (Faith is not believing that God can. It is knowing that God will. - Ben Stein)
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To: JRios1968
WHere’s the irrefutable evidence of Pearl Harbor being BUSH’S FAULT?

His father was a WWII Naval Aviator. Tom Cruise played a Naval Aviator. Connect the dots.

28 posted on 09/09/2007 7:38:11 AM PDT by decimon
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To: waimea.man

My thoughts exactly. Seen these before.


29 posted on 09/09/2007 7:55:03 AM PDT by squirt (POLITICIANS & DIAPERS NEED TO BE CHANGED, FOR THE SAME REASON)
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To: decimon

Picutre 15 appears to have a bit of color in the smoke plume plus some faded color on the right side border. Is this a B&W pix that was “colorized” and which has faded?


30 posted on 09/09/2007 7:59:14 AM PDT by miele man (Continually voting against iodine deficient libs for 42 years)
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To: decimon

Those are remarkable pictures and a historical treasure.


31 posted on 09/09/2007 8:02:58 AM PDT by Mike Darancette (Democrat Happens!)
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To: miele man
Picutre 15 appears to have a bit of color in the smoke plume plus some faded color on the right side border. Is this a B&W pix that was “colorized” and which has faded?

And picture #3 has a bit of color in the clouds. I think that's just the odd effect that light can have on film.

32 posted on 09/09/2007 8:03:50 AM PDT by decimon
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To: decimon
I've seen most of them before.  They look like they were lifted from the Navy archive site and had their captions cropped.
33 posted on 09/09/2007 8:05:14 AM PDT by Psycho_Bunny
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To: BuffaloJack
BuffaloJack said: "Color stuff is not as good as the B&W, at least a third of the Ektacrome slides I took in VN have lost all the colors except red."

It may appear that all colors have been lost except red, but there may be some small amount of the other colors left. You might be quite impressed with restoration technology. Many old commercial movies have been restored using knowledge of the deterioration mechanisms to restore the original detail.

There are scanners made specifically to scan photographic slides. Once scanned, the color balance can probably be adjusted for each individual slide.

34 posted on 09/09/2007 12:34:09 PM PDT by William Tell (RKBA for California (rkba.members.sonic.net) - Volunteer by contacting Dave at rkba@sonic.net)
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To: drpix

LOL!!!!!!!!!!


35 posted on 09/09/2007 4:27:32 PM PDT by maineman (BC Eagle fan)
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To: neodad

I’m sure there were several photographers on the scene and many snapped similar photos in many locations.


36 posted on 09/09/2007 4:40:13 PM PDT by rabidralph
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To: decimon
It dosen’t look like the same type of film was used in all the pictures. The brownie had a fixed focal length. It changes in the pictures.
37 posted on 09/09/2007 4:43:40 PM PDT by ThomasThomas
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