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Calif. Gray Whale Shot With Machine Gun
AP ^ | 9/9/07

Posted on 09/09/2007 6:30:36 AM PDT by Mr. Brightside

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To: Mr. Brightside
Our Indians in East Texas have given up on harpooning whales and have gone back to the old habits of wanting gambling casino's. We are trying to stop them and force them back into hunting whales and drinking booze. We cannot allow Texas Indians to get back into their casino ways. Who knows what would happen next?

At least when they were killing whales, we were giving them food stamps, housing, education, and free medical care. If they start fending for themselves, they may make their own way into the world. Jeeessshh!

41 posted on 09/09/2007 9:34:06 AM PDT by chuckles
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To: LibLieSlayer; Fawn

LOL, I have to admit that if I get a chance to choose between dog heaven and people heaven, I am going where the dogs go.


42 posted on 09/09/2007 11:07:54 AM PDT by Sender (There is no psychiatrist in the world like a puppy licking your face. -Ben Williams)
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To: Mr. Brightside

If they want to kill whales for cultural purposes the OK, but that goes both ways. They have to do it from a canoe or kayak and using nothing more than a spear like their ancestors did.


43 posted on 09/09/2007 11:11:38 AM PDT by BuffaloJack (Before the government can give you a dollar it must first take it from another American)
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To: spunkets; Solitar

“That’s not true in general. They were more, or less aware of the problems with the commons and took care to farm and use their resources wisely. The fact that they noted the problems caused by the widespread slaughter of the buffalo proves that.”

That varied from tribe to tribe. Some were far better and more efficient than others. Those that used the tactics of driving buffalo herds off cliffs for example, killed far more buffalo than they could make use of, resulting in tremendous waste.


44 posted on 09/09/2007 11:33:20 AM PDT by neutronsgalore (Nature, getting rid of Muslims one tsunami at a time.)
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To: Dutch Boy
deserts that looks like about 95% lard mixed with berries and sugar.

Yum. But it will help fuel your internal furnace in the arctic or sub-arctic winter.

45 posted on 09/09/2007 11:47:29 AM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: Mr. Brightside
Although I do not condone what has happened here with this whale, in all honesty, I read more than a few years ago that the Pacific Grey Whale has recovered and is in fact back to the numbers of before it was endangered. Not a good thing but one whale is not a catastrophe.
46 posted on 09/09/2007 11:50:51 AM PDT by fish hawk (The religion of Darwinism = Monkey Intellect)
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To: Solitar
I suspect that Native Americans in the lower 48 would have eventually decimated the buffalo with just horses and rifles.

Not likely, they hunted for food, although they used everything. If they killed all the Bison, what would they eat? The white market hunters killed just for the skins, and sometimes the yahoos on the railroads killed just for fun.

If the Indians numbers increased to the point where the wild Bison populations were threatened, they'd probably have done what other peoples did to other ungulates, domesticate them. They are pretty much like large furry cows anyway.

47 posted on 09/09/2007 11:51:55 AM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: Sender

I pray to God every day to send me to pet heaven. I’ll clean litter boxes...anything.


48 posted on 09/09/2007 11:54:05 AM PDT by Fawn (http://www.brightlion.com/InHope/InHope_en.aspx)
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To: chessplayer

Shot up to 21 times? With a .50 BMG rifle. I’d say that .50 BMG is not enough gun for gray whale. Once they’d harpooned the beast, they were probably trying to put it out of its misery and/or get it to stop fighting. Sounds like they need a bigger boat, or more boats, the latter is probably the way it was done in the Old Days.


49 posted on 09/09/2007 11:57:14 AM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: PeteB570

In the article at post #3, it confirms that the initial reports of a machine gun were false. They were using a .50 caliber rifle.


50 posted on 09/09/2007 12:03:16 PM PDT by Stonewall Jackson (The Hunt for FRed November. 11/04/08)
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To: spunkets

“Nonsense. It is in their culture.”

I stand corrected. Japans pushing whales to extinction for cultural purposes did`nt wash, so now they have changed tactics and claim they need to hunt them for “scientific purposes.”

http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Japan_to_hunt_950_whales_for_%22scientific_research%22


51 posted on 09/09/2007 12:49:22 PM PDT by chessplayer
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To: Mr. Brightside

Beats me why people in modern countries would want to eat whale meat, anyway.

“Whale meat and environmental toxins”

“Studies with several species have shown that whale meat often contains dangerously high levels of environmental toxins such as PCB, mercury, and dioxin. [4][5] The highest concentration of EDCs (Endocrine Disrupting Compounds) ever found in any animal was measured recently in the blubber of a Minke Whale,[6] a species commonly hunted by Japanese whalers in Antarctic waters. These toxins are particularly dangerous for pregnant women and growing children, which calls into question the practice of providing whale meat lunches for school children. This is common in whaling areas[7] but it is also on the increase in parts of Japan that do not engage in whaling.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whaling_in_Japan


52 posted on 09/09/2007 12:56:18 PM PDT by chessplayer
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To: spunkets

I worked and lived in that area for many years. Part of their “native culture” involves the capture and use of salmon. They use gill nets, and many have been found chock full of rotting salmon, because they couldn’t be bothered to haul it in, and harvest the fish. I suspect that the whale meat goes the same route.


53 posted on 09/09/2007 1:02:54 PM PDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: Mr. Brightside

http://www.cnie.org/NAE/docs/makahplan.html

Check out the equipment. The .50 BMG rifle is mandatory:

VI. Whaling Vessels, Equipment and Hunting Methods.
A whaling team must include one or more canoes and at least two chase boats.
All canoes used in whaling must be at least 30 feet in length and manned by a harpooner, rifleman and six paddlers.
All chase boats used in whaling must be at least 24 feet in length and powered by an engine large enough to tow an adult gray whale to port (at least 200 horsepower). Each chase boat shall be manned by a pilot, diver, backup rifleman, and at least one other crew member. Each chase boat shall be equipped with Loran or other navigation system capable of precisely fixing the vessel’s position on the water.
All whaling harpoons must be equipped with a stainless-steel toggle point, connected to one or more floats, and bear a permanent distinctive mark identifying the whaling captain who is in charge of the whaling team using the harpoon.
The rifle used in gray whale hunts shall be a .50BMG (caliber) very high-powered rifle.
The first strike made upon a gray whale shall be made by the harpooner on a canoe and shall affix one or more floats to the whale. Immediately after the harpooner strikes the whale, the rifleman on the canoe shall fire his rifle at the whale’s central nervous system (CNS). If the whale is not immobilized by the initial shot, the chase boats will pursue the whale and the riflemen aboard the chase boats will kill the whale as expeditiously as practicable with rifle shots directed at the whale’s CNS.
Upon the death of a whale, the chase boat divers will ensure the whale remains afloat and secure the whale for towing to port. The whale will be expeditiously towed to port by one of the chase boats.
By following the general procedures set out in paragraphs F and G above, whaling teams shall make best efforts to land every whale that is struck.
The Commission shall conduct research and development to further refine the hunting methods set out in this management plan. Upon consultation with the Commission and the National Marine Fisheries Service, the Council may periodically amend the provisions of this part to improve the safety, effectiveness and humaneness of gray whale hunts.


54 posted on 09/09/2007 2:58:07 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - Hunter '08)
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To: chessplayer

“These toxins are particularly dangerous for pregnant women and growing children, which calls into question the practice of providing whale meat lunches for school children.”

And mother whales probably pass on the toxins they have accumulated to their babies, which in turn accumulate even more toxins in their lifespans. It`s a vicious cycle. If we are`nt killing them off outright, we`re doing it with poisons. And we call it “progress.”


55 posted on 09/09/2007 3:35:02 PM PDT by chessplayer
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To: Solitar
Well, the timing of the decimation of the buffalo herds was something. Economic drove it but it was also a good way to get the indians out of the way for the western expansion, which I’m sure was realized. Not saying it was good or bad.....it just was what it was. All history. I am with you on the use of modern technology to pursue “tradition.” One neat thing I saw in Sitka every year of the 9 I lived there was the herring roe fishery. Xmas trees would be saved and used to get the eggs. March, if memory serves. Anchor trees out not far from shore at low tide in a area where the herring will lay their eggs, they lay them on the branches, go back later and retrieve. WAY cool.
56 posted on 09/09/2007 4:35:38 PM PDT by Bogtrotter52 (Reading DU daily so you won't hafta)
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To: spunkets
“The use of improved tools does not change that fact.”

But it is not always a good thing (improved tools). Alaska natives have a delicacy they enjoy. It involves burying fish heads (salmon) in a container for some time. Old days they used very tight weave baskets or pottery. this being the modern era, tupperware type containers are easier. Unfortunatly a annual event is a few of them dying from eating the stuff. Airtight containers are a negative. never alot of people dying, but it always makes the news. Actually, for most of the gathering/harvests you will find very little that is actually “traditional” other than the timing for it and the people doing it. Kind of a quandary. Fewer and fewer people do it and the introduction of junk foods has really been bad for the peoples health.

57 posted on 09/09/2007 4:44:50 PM PDT by Bogtrotter52 (Reading DU daily so you won't hafta)
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To: Solitar

“If they want to adhere to tradition, then they should hunt with spears.”

As I remember, that was considered. But the animal rights groups had a cow about the poor whales dying so slowly. So the tribe invested in (or perhaps one of the members already owned) a .50 cal Barrett. The whale they killed several years ago was harpooned according to custom and then put out of its misery with the rifle. I suspect that’s what was intended this time too only some guys are better shots than others.
I’m not a member of the tribe but I don’t have any problem with them killing an occasional whale. After all, the courts have found that it’s ok for the Navy to use active sonar while training in areas where those same whales live. The sonar screws up their ability to navigate, eventually sending them off to either God-knows-where to starve or onto a beach to die. At least the indians eat them.


58 posted on 09/09/2007 5:01:18 PM PDT by oldfart (The most dangerous man is the one who has nothing left to lose.)
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To: chessplayer
"Japans pushing whales to extinction for cultural purposes did`nt wash, so now they have changed tactics and claim they need to hunt them for “scientific purposes."

Nah. It's both.

59 posted on 09/09/2007 5:38:38 PM PDT by spunkets ("Freedom is about authority", Rudy Giuliani, gun grabber)
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To: spunkets

Just like casinos are part of their native culture.


60 posted on 09/09/2007 5:41:33 PM PDT by The KG9 Kid
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