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To: Bogtrotter52

If they want to adhere to tradition, then they should hunt with spears.
I suspect that Native Americans in the lower 48 would have eventually decimated the buffalo with just horses and rifles. Sorta like fishing with dynamite — or whaling with artillery (not that a 50 cal is artillery, I’m referring to the gun-fired harpoons with explosive heads).


22 posted on 09/09/2007 7:52:58 AM PDT by Solitar ("My aim is not to pass laws, but to repeal them." -- Barry Goldwater)
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To: Solitar

Im not one of these Peta geeks or wack jobs- but this does not make sense. A 50 cal although formidable is not a whale gun. It would be like becuase my culture has involved deer hunting since I was young to go out with a bb gun or 22 cal hunting. Sure if real real lucky the animal might go down. Most likely its just gonna get pussed up because of wounds and die from complications. They should have just went to the trading post and bought a can of salmon and sat around smoking the friggin peace pipe. Stupid attempt with stupid results. The indians lost in this and the whale. Mostly the whale.


23 posted on 09/09/2007 8:07:31 AM PDT by racnpartsales4u ("His sex organs took the heaviest blow," an unidentified nurse told the newspaper.)
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To: Solitar
"If they want to adhere to tradition, then they should hunt with spears."

There's nothing in their tradition that respects the luddites, or their philosphy.

"I suspect that Native Americans in the lower 48 would have eventually decimated the buffalo with just horses and rifles. "

You be wrong. They hunted the buffalo for food, lodging, clothes, tools and furnature. Their spiritual culture considered the animals sacred and they didn't kill them for the sake of killing.

27 posted on 09/09/2007 8:25:03 AM PDT by spunkets ("Freedom is about authority", Rudy Giuliani, gun grabber)
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To: Solitar
I suspect that Native Americans in the lower 48 would have eventually decimated the buffalo with just horses and rifles.

Not likely, they hunted for food, although they used everything. If they killed all the Bison, what would they eat? The white market hunters killed just for the skins, and sometimes the yahoos on the railroads killed just for fun.

If the Indians numbers increased to the point where the wild Bison populations were threatened, they'd probably have done what other peoples did to other ungulates, domesticate them. They are pretty much like large furry cows anyway.

47 posted on 09/09/2007 11:51:55 AM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: Solitar
Well, the timing of the decimation of the buffalo herds was something. Economic drove it but it was also a good way to get the indians out of the way for the western expansion, which I’m sure was realized. Not saying it was good or bad.....it just was what it was. All history. I am with you on the use of modern technology to pursue “tradition.” One neat thing I saw in Sitka every year of the 9 I lived there was the herring roe fishery. Xmas trees would be saved and used to get the eggs. March, if memory serves. Anchor trees out not far from shore at low tide in a area where the herring will lay their eggs, they lay them on the branches, go back later and retrieve. WAY cool.
56 posted on 09/09/2007 4:35:38 PM PDT by Bogtrotter52 (Reading DU daily so you won't hafta)
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To: Solitar

“If they want to adhere to tradition, then they should hunt with spears.”

As I remember, that was considered. But the animal rights groups had a cow about the poor whales dying so slowly. So the tribe invested in (or perhaps one of the members already owned) a .50 cal Barrett. The whale they killed several years ago was harpooned according to custom and then put out of its misery with the rifle. I suspect that’s what was intended this time too only some guys are better shots than others.
I’m not a member of the tribe but I don’t have any problem with them killing an occasional whale. After all, the courts have found that it’s ok for the Navy to use active sonar while training in areas where those same whales live. The sonar screws up their ability to navigate, eventually sending them off to either God-knows-where to starve or onto a beach to die. At least the indians eat them.


58 posted on 09/09/2007 5:01:18 PM PDT by oldfart (The most dangerous man is the one who has nothing left to lose.)
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