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The Raw Milk Inspectors Come Calling, Again, at California's Largest Raw-Milk Dairy
The Complete Patient ^ | Sept. 9, 2007 | David E. Gumpert

Posted on 09/09/2007 12:46:10 PM PDT by davidgumpert

The sense of déjà vu was eerie. First the California Department of Food and Agriculture posted a press release on its site: It had ordered a recall of raw cream produced by Organic Pastures Dairy Co.

Then the Associated Press came out with a story...

(Excerpt) Read more at thecompletepatient.com ...


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KEYWORDS: dairy; ecoli; foodsupply; govwatch; listeria; milk; nannystate
Just another case of protecting the public? California's largest raw-milk dairy is ordered by state agriculture officials to recall raw cream after tests showed the presence of listeria monocytogenes. The test is highly questionable--similar to testing on milk in New York and Pennsylvania, in which pathogens show up and no one becomes ill.
1 posted on 09/09/2007 12:46:12 PM PDT by davidgumpert
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To: davidgumpert
When it comes to food safety, government has no accountability anyway. Why we don't reform torts and insurance regulation and dump the entire system for private certification I cannot understand /sarc.

Insurance companies love a regulated market of socialized risk and an artificially high rate base. No risks to manage and lots of cash flow with which to play.

2 posted on 09/09/2007 12:51:09 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The fourth estate is the fifth column.)
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To: davidgumpert

Testing raw milk can be a rough call, but after reading the article I agree that this looks like political posturing.

As a spokesman from the company puts it, “Organic Pastures has just in the last few days purchased special equipment that ‘will test for all the politically significant bacteria.’”

Politically correct bacteria is about right, I’m afraid.

Ordinarily, drinking raw milk is good for you. It’s much like eating raw yogurt, because it contains beneficial bacteria that help crowd out malignant bacteria that may take over your guts. But raw milk has to be handled carefully, or it can be dangerous.

I suppose it’s expecting too much to hope that a bureaucratic government in a state like California will be sensible, or that leftist newspapers will cease letting themselves be used like this.


3 posted on 09/09/2007 12:57:33 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: davidgumpert

I drank raw milk all the time I was growing up, I’m 62 now but sure as shootin, I will die some day.


4 posted on 09/09/2007 1:08:01 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for SSgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: Graybeard58

I was just out in the San Francisco area last month and had the opportunity to buy a $9.00 gallon of organic milk. I passed. think of it, $9 for a gallon of milk that is JUST milk. Nothing else. The Amish need to get in on this scam.


5 posted on 09/09/2007 1:11:11 PM PDT by Thebaddog (My dogs are asleep paws up)
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To: Cicero

Do the Amish drink raw milk?


6 posted on 09/09/2007 1:21:20 PM PDT by tbw2 (Science fiction with real science - "Humanity's Edge" by Tamara Wilhite)
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7 posted on 09/09/2007 3:03:15 PM PDT by Lil'freeper (You do not have the plug-in required to view this tagline.)
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To: davidgumpert; Abram; akatel; albertp; AlexandriaDuke; Alexander Rubin; Allerious; Allosaurs_r_us; ..
“But every opportunity they (government regulators) have they will stick a knife in our back.”



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8 posted on 09/09/2007 3:47:37 PM PDT by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/Ron_Paul_2008.htm)
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To: tbw2

They probably take measures to keep their operations clean.

:-)


9 posted on 09/09/2007 3:51:02 PM PDT by bannie
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To: Carry_Okie
When it comes to food safety, government has no accountability anyway. Why we don't reform torts and insurance regulation and dump the entire system for private certification I cannot understand /sarc.

Insurance companies love a regulated market of socialized risk and an artificially high rate base. No risks to manage and lots of cash flow with which to play.


That's a curious consipracy theory you've got there. Why wouldn't you presume that there would be new entrants into the commercial insurance market which would price down that cash flow stream to just above their own cost of capital as in every other industry or financial service?

The regulation has little to do with commercial insurance and everything to do with mainstream producers recgonizing that when bad milk from Producer A kills a few children that nobody drinks milk from Producer B, Producer C, etc.

I am also opposed to government regulation of food (among other regulations), however you misperceive the source of such regulations. They are largely welcomed by the mainstream producers and are largely initiated in response to specific problems in the food stream in which people die.

jas3
10 posted on 09/09/2007 5:16:45 PM PDT by jas3
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To: davidgumpert

I’ve consumed products from Organic Pastures, and I think their stuff is great. Wish the f-—ing government would leave them alone.


11 posted on 09/09/2007 5:39:27 PM PDT by pbmaltzman
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To: jas3
That's a curious consipracy theory you've got there. Why wouldn't you presume that there would be new entrants into the commercial insurance market which would price down that cash flow stream to just above their own cost of capital as in every other industry or financial service?

Because compliance to the regulations have economies of scale with which only the really big players can comply. Regulation has always worked that way, since the days of Teddy Roosevelt structuring his attack on the "robber barons" in such a way that his buddy JP Morgan made out like a bandit.

I am also opposed to government regulation of food (among other regulations), however you misperceive the source of such regulations. They are largely welcomed by the mainstream producers and are largely initiated in response to specific problems in the food stream in which people die.

If you'd spent as much time on the topic as I have, you'd see it differently.

12 posted on 09/09/2007 5:47:23 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The fourth estate is the fifth column.)
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To: bannie
Many modern dairies are operated automatically. There is no human presence needed except to haul the milk off. They even make an immediate determination if the milk has some (kinds) contamination and it never gets into the tank. The units are sterilized between every animal.
13 posted on 09/09/2007 5:52:34 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Remember Mustang 22 and her heroes.)
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To: tbw2

“Do the Amish drink raw milk?”

I wasn’t sure, so I did a google search. Evidently they do:

http://www.google.com/search?q=Amish+raw+milk&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=ie7&rlz=1I7GGLF

Here in Vermont you can get local milk and eggs and other natural foods without paying through the nose for them. Where it becomes a problem is if you live in the city and have to buy your food at the end of a long chain of factory farms and middlemen. If you don’t like that you get to pay double or triple for “organic” foods at your high end specialty food shop.


14 posted on 09/09/2007 6:16:16 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: traviskicks

“But every opportunity they (government regulators) have they will stick a knife in our back.”

bump


15 posted on 09/09/2007 6:31:18 PM PDT by 383rr (Those who choose security over liberty deserve neither- GUN CONTROL=SLAVERY)
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To: Graybeard58

Yes, you will die some day, as will I and everyone else on the planet.


16 posted on 09/09/2007 8:25:25 PM PDT by davidgumpert (More on problems with raw milk availability in Michigan)
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To: Cicero

Neat phrase, isn’t it, “politically significant bacteria”?


17 posted on 09/09/2007 8:26:42 PM PDT by davidgumpert (More on problems with raw milk availability in Michigan)
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To: Carry_Okie

Interesting idea, but I suspect the insurance companies would just enforce the “politically correct” risks. No, I’m afraid there has to be an ongoing debate on this issue.


18 posted on 09/09/2007 8:29:05 PM PDT by davidgumpert (More on problems with raw milk availability in Michigan)
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To: davidgumpert

raised on raw milk NEVER got sick.


19 posted on 09/09/2007 8:31:44 PM PDT by television is just wrong (deport all illegal aliens NOW. Put all AMERICANS TO WORK FIRST. END Welfare)
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To: davidgumpert

No, its another case of making it so expensive to produce food in this country that all the food producers with any liquidity will leave. This will open up even more of our food supply to China, and other communist nations that use slave labor and little or no safety standards for production.

It is in fact the agenda of the federal government under the last three presidents to do this, so you shouldn’t be suprised at all.


20 posted on 09/09/2007 8:34:10 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer (I'm a billionaire! Thanks WTO and the "free trade" system!--Hu Jintao top 10 worst dictators)
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To: Carry_Okie

Have you been down the Salinas Valley recently? The wild bird populations are going to be destroyed, and most like the small mammals, with the new procedures they’ve put in place to ‘sterilize’ open fields for food production.


21 posted on 09/09/2007 8:35:39 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer (I'm a billionaire! Thanks WTO and the "free trade" system!--Hu Jintao top 10 worst dictators)
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To: hedgetrimmer
Have you been down the Salinas Valley recently? ...

Yep, there are bait stations (poison) every 75 feet along the edges of the fields.

22 posted on 09/09/2007 8:56:27 PM PDT by Poincare
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To: hedgetrimmer
No, its another case of making it so expensive to produce food in this country that all the food producers with any liquidity will leave. This will open up even more of our food supply to China, and other communist nations that use slave labor and little or no safety standards for production.

Well stated! A lot of (us) small farmers and ranchers are happy to work hard for not that much money because we enjoy the quality of life and being our own boss, but the gubmint is doing what it can to destroy the enjoyment of farming and ranching. That gone, people quit and move to something else. What takes our place as a source of food is either factory farming owned by multinationals or foreign imports.

23 posted on 09/09/2007 9:06:41 PM PDT by Poincare
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To: Cicero
From what I understand, it's less dangerous than treated (pasteurized and homogenized) milk. Raw milk is actually more resistant to unhealthy bacteria than treated milk.

If I had two containers of milk left out at room temperature for a couple of days, one raw and one treated, I'd much sooner drink the raw. It would taste better (doesn't go sickeningly sour like treated milk) and I would wager (my health, in this case) that it would be less likely to make me sick.

More importantly, raw milk is much healthier for you, especially if it is from grass fed cows, rather than heat treated milk from grain fed cows.

See further:

The basic reason for treating milk is to kill off the bacteria introduced during the industrialized farming practices of very large dairies. The milk processors collect from many farms, with varied sanitization levels, and combine, package and ship the result out to retail stores with a reasonable shelf life.

Good raw milk from grass fed cows is more expensive to produce, process, ship and stock. It is less well suited to the large scale industrialization of the milk industry.

Disclaimer: I drink a gallon of Organic Pastures raw milk a week.

24 posted on 09/09/2007 9:54:31 PM PDT by ThePythonicCow (The Greens steal in fear of pollution, The Reds in fear of greed; Fear arising from a lack of Faith.)
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To: hedgetrimmer
I must disagree with this one. Though that is likely the motivation for many things we see, the vendetta against raw milk producers has been ongoing for 40 years now, long before Communist China was a major influence.

The raw milk producers are a drop in the milk pail, and present no threat to Chinese food imports. Some 40 years ago, the commercial milk processors got enough clout to begin to drive the small dairy farmer, producing raw milk for family, friends, and neighbors, out of business. I was there, working for the dairy industry, as it happened. The "Big Food" corporations have been consolidating their hold on the business ever since.

25 posted on 09/09/2007 9:59:42 PM PDT by ThePythonicCow (The Greens steal in fear of pollution, The Reds in fear of greed; Fear arising from a lack of Faith.)
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To: pbmaltzman
dang straight ...

That word 'cow' is in my freeper name for a reason!

26 posted on 09/09/2007 10:01:32 PM PDT by ThePythonicCow (The Greens steal in fear of pollution, The Reds in fear of greed; Fear arising from a lack of Faith.)
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To: television is just wrong
"raised on raw milk NEVER got sick."

Did it come from a cow - or a dirty vat sitting in sun?

27 posted on 09/09/2007 10:07:25 PM PDT by endthematrix (He was shouting 'Allah!' but I didn't hear that. It just sounded like a lot of crap to me.)
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To: Carry_Okie
So are you the one known as "Mark Edward Vande Pol"?

Thank-you for your good work. It's sad that the truth is so little respected.

28 posted on 09/09/2007 10:09:20 PM PDT by ThePythonicCow (The Greens steal in fear of pollution, The Reds in fear of greed; Fear arising from a lack of Faith.)
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To: ThePythonicCow
Oops - make that 50 years now, not 40. The rise of "big milk" dates back to the 1950's, by my experience.
29 posted on 09/09/2007 10:11:11 PM PDT by ThePythonicCow (The Greens steal in fear of pollution, The Reds in fear of greed; Fear arising from a lack of Faith.)
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To: endthematrix

Altadena Dairy and later Steuve’s Dairy.

Raw millk, unlike Homogenized, Pasturized milk, Lowers cholesterol and does not form mucus. Helps heal allergies, and is a wonderful natural food. The problem is, that they don’t want to have to be careful with the way they handle the product. Then they cook, and homogenize it where it has NO natural enzymes, and lactose intolerant have to take pills with the enzymes in it to be able to digest what amounts to glue.

Hahn, was the culprit who shut down the raw milk industry in Los Angeles.

When we were on v acation in NY, My father was told that you need a doctors prescription to get raw milk there.

A lot of other states are not quite that stringent, but somehow Raw milk has become a real POLITICAL hot topic with this.

When you go to the market and see FRESH DAIRY, they are lying to you. The definition of FRESH is NOT cooked. How much of that stuff in the FRESH DAIRY is actually not cooked and processed in some fashion?


30 posted on 09/09/2007 10:20:06 PM PDT by television is just wrong (deport all illegal aliens NOW. Put all AMERICANS TO WORK FIRST. END Welfare)
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To: davidgumpert
One thing that has to be clarified when discussing milk. The majority of people are lactose intolerant.

From Early Europeans unable to stomach milk:


In a study, published in the journal 'PNAS', the team shows that the gene that controls our ability to digest milk was missing from Neolithic skeletons dating to between 5840 and 5000 BC. However, through exposure to milk, lactose tolerance evolved extremely rapidly, in evolutionary terms. Today, it is present in over ninety per cent of the population of northern Europe and is also found in some African and Middle Eastern populations but is missing from the majority of the adult population globally.

Those who have the ability to digest lactose can enjoy cows milk. Those who don't are better off with goats milk. Raw milk includes some enzymes that assist in digesting lactose, so some people find they can handle raw cows milk, but not treated cows milk.

A good many nutritionists will rant that milk is for infants, and that it is quite unnatural for adults of one species to drink the milk of another species.

I'll wager that the nutritionists stating this happen to be people who are lactose intolerant.

31 posted on 09/09/2007 10:22:09 PM PDT by ThePythonicCow (The Greens steal in fear of pollution, The Reds in fear of greed; Fear arising from a lack of Faith.)
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To: endthematrix
The best milk comes straight from the cow, still body warm. There is a taste to the milk in the first few minutes after milking that is lost. Just cooling the milk down and warming it back up looses that special taste.
32 posted on 09/09/2007 10:25:38 PM PDT by ThePythonicCow (The Greens steal in fear of pollution, The Reds in fear of greed; Fear arising from a lack of Faith.)
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To: ThePythonicCow
"The best milk comes straight from the cow, still body warm. "

Of course. And my veiled point was that many persons who drank raw milk when growing up, grew up on a farm. The growing segment of society embracing raw milk has only an exposure to it on a shelf. That means verification of manufacturing process, transport, packaging, etc.

33 posted on 09/09/2007 10:56:55 PM PDT by endthematrix (He was shouting 'Allah!' but I didn't hear that. It just sounded like a lot of crap to me.)
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To: ThePythonicCow
So are you the one known as "Mark Edward Vande Pol"?

All my life. :-)

34 posted on 09/10/2007 8:30:31 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The fourth estate is the fifth column.)
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To: hedgetrimmer
They'll get to develop yet! (selectively of course)

All it will take is a consequent endangered species listing or two, selective buyouts by a conservancy, a stampede of remaining farmers to sell out and develop disgusting high density tracts in the middle of nowhere, a lawsuit tying that up...

Oh fun.

35 posted on 09/10/2007 8:34:07 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The fourth estate is the fifth column.)
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To: Carry_Okie

I don’t the the bait traps are part of an effort to develop the Salinas valley. I do think the bait traps and other measures forced on them by the food safety inspectors from the transnational corporations are going to have terrible unintended consequences on the environment.


36 posted on 09/11/2007 6:39:05 AM PDT by hedgetrimmer (I'm a billionaire! Thanks WTO and the "free trade" system!--Hu Jintao top 10 worst dictators)
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