Skip to comments.Is Ron Paul our only hope for a secure border?
Posted on 09/10/2007 10:15:47 AM PDT by sdnet
Michael Savage calls it a third world invasion. I call it an immigration travesty. Whatever phrase you wish to attach to it, our southern borders are as open as Al Gore's wallet in a carbon credit retailer.
Rudy Giuliani proclaimed New York City a sanctuary city as Mayor. McCain sponsored the immigration reform bill (dubbed Amnesty bill by immigration activists) that died quickly in Congress and Mitt Romney's position on immigration keeps changing, at least according to John McCain. Fox News took a jab at Romney during the debate several days ago, questioning the fact he had hired illegal immigrants to cut his own lawn.
If immigration is your issue, then Ron Paul appears to be your man. Paul has held the most consistent position on immigration out of any of the candidates running for the White House during his decades of service in Washington D.C.
(Excerpt) Read more at smallgovtimes.com ...
Immigration is my issue. Paul is not my man. Duncan Hunter has the answer.
He’ll protect us from people coming over the border, but missiles are invited to come on down...
OK, I can't resist-
Ron Paul on Border Security:
(1) Votes against putting the Military on the border
2006: H. Amdt. 206 to H.R. 1815
2004: Goode Amendment to H.R. 4200
2003: Goode Amendment to H.R. 1588
2002: H. Amdt. 479 to H.R. 4546
2001: Traficant amendment to HR 2586
2000: Traficant amendment to H.R.4205
1999: Trafficant Amendment to H.R. 1401.
(2) Paul voted in 1997, 2001( H.R. 1885) and 2002 (H RES 365) to grant, extend or continue Section 245-i amnesties for illegal aliens.
(3) Paul voted NO on extending the voluntary Basic Pilot Workplace Verification Program (H.R. 2359),
(4) Paul voted NO on the border fence in 2005 (Hunter Amendment to HR 4437 - “Enforcement Only” Bill).
(5) Paul voted YES to increase H2-B (HR 763 in 2005) and H-1B visas (HR 3736 in 1998). In 1998, he voted to allow US firms to lay off Americans to replace them with foreigners.
I like it!
Is this author delusional? Ron Paul is the only candidate who wants to stop illegal immigration? He might come in third on that issue, but I would not even bet on that
Duncan Hunter is the man , concerning this issue. No ifs, ands, or buts.
After the Guiliani purge I have to ask myself every time I read more Ron Paul spam, if the wrong folks were shown the door?
Ron Paul will right on that after he get the UN’s blessing and makes sure the Islamists won’t be offended.
Think a rat on a sting for the mods...
Look a few days ago there is a thread with JR beating a couple of Paulettes around like a cat toy.
The bosses here know a good entertainment value.
I’m sorry I missed that.
Delusions are a common thing among the Paul-Worshipers. Pretty much a requirement to join the Cult.
Can you ping me a link to that?
Tom Tancredo and Duncan Hunter are both excellent on immigration...although Tancredo is the only candidate who has also touched the serious issue of changing our legal immigration policies...42 years of 1 million+ immigrants a year is unprecedented in this country's history
Plus Tancredo is much more fiscally responsible than Hunter.
"Arrrrrrrrr! Letters of Marque be what's needed to secure our borders, boyo! Take it from yer old mate, Jack Sparrow!"
There is no hope for a secure border. Both Parties will continue the One Worlder crusade, while they keep us at each others’ throats over minor social issues.
If Ron Paul is your “only hope” for anything ... I’d suggest coming up with a Plan B. He’s got about as much chance of winning as Pat Buchanan, Ralph Nader, Lyndon LaRouche or Dennis Kucinich.
If it’s Hillary vs. Ron Paul ... I’ll have to abstain or vote for a third party candidate.
I’d love to see this! Please ping me a link...? ;)
Wow. Flawless logic. Let's see...
Ron Paul wants to end welfare for illegals = Ron Paul was the 20th hijacker.
I'll have to keep that in mind...until I hit the "post" and "back" buttons.
Look around there, though that post was a gem.
Also it is a real hoot when these guys act like they are the "Illuminati" of Free Republic, especially in light of this from Jim himself on the first page:
Statement by the founder of Free Republic:
In our continuing fight for freedom, for America and our constitution and against totalitarianism, socialism, tyranny, terrorism, etc., Free Republic stands firmly on the side of right, i.e., the conservative side. Believing that the best defense is a strong offense, we (myself and those whom I'm trying to attract to FR) support the strategy of taking the fight to the enemy as opposed to allowing the enemy the luxury of conducting their attacks on us at home on their terms and on their schedule.
Therefore, we wholeheartedly support the Bush Doctrine of pre-emptive strikes on known terrorist states and organizations that are believed to present a clear threat to our freedom or national security. We support our military, our troops and our Commander-in-Chief and we oppose turning control of our government back over to the liberals and socialists who favor appeasement, weakness, and subserviency. We do not believe in surrendering to the terrorists as France, Germany, Russia and Spain have done and as Kerry, Kennedy, Clinton and the Democrats, et al, are proposing.
Hum, that sound exactly like Ron Paul, doesn't it...
ROTFLMBO!!!!! I loved that movie!
See my reply to their post...
Arragh, avast ye scurvy dog...
See post 16 on this thread...
Hunter wants to build a fence.
Ron Paul wants to get rid of the incentives that bring them here.
“Rethinking Birthright Citizenship
Ive introduced legislation that would amend the Constitution and end automatic birthright citizenship. The 14th amendment was ratified in 1868, on the heels of the Civil War. The country, especially the western territories, was wide open and ripe for homesteading. There was no welfare state to exploit, and the modern problems associated with immigration could not have been imagined.” (H. J. RES. 46)
Sponsor: Rep Paul, Ron [TX-14] (introduced 6/13/2007)
Rep Akin, W. Todd [MO-2] - 6/13/2007
Rep Alexander, Rodney [LA-5] - 6/27/2007
Rep Deal, Nathan [GA-9] - 6/13/2007
Rep Goode, Virgil H., Jr. [VA-5] - 6/13/2007
Rep Jones, Walter B., Jr. [NC-3] - 6/15/2007
Rep Miller, Jeff [FL-1] - 6/27/2007
Rep Wamp, Zach [TN-3] - 7/17/2007
I don’t see Hunter or Tancredo as Co-sponsors. I wonder why not?
“Immigration and the Welfare State
Our current welfare system also encourages illegal immigration by discouraging American citizens from taking low-wage jobs. This creates greater demand for illegal foreign labor. Welfare programs and minimum wage laws create an artificial market for labor to do the jobs Americans supposedly wont do.
Illegal immigrants also place a tremendous strain on social entitlement programs. Under a proposed totalization agreement with Mexico, millions of illegal immigrants will qualify for Social Security and other programs programs that already threaten financial ruin for America in the coming decades. Adding millions of foreign citizens to the Social Security, Medicare, and disability rolls will only hasten the inevitable day of reckoning. “
Which is more effective? Removing incentives or a fence?
That can be debated, but I think Ron Paul’s ideas deserve discussion.
And this response, before the other, about midway in the dialog.
Jim is a damned poet. I could not have expressed myself to a Paulette any better.
Right up there with McAuliffe's "Nuts" to the Germans it is...
Next Freepeathon, my checkbook is out...
Your ears burning?
No, but thanks for asking.
“Is Ron Paul our only hope for a secure border?”
If he is, we are all doomed.
So you have evidence of votes disputing what I stated in my post? ie: Ron Paul wanting to end the welfare state for illegal aliens? Or voting to end birthright citizenship to children of illegal aliens?
If not, why post a reply to me? Care to discuss what I posted?
This is so stupid it raises serious questions about the author’s sanity. The ONLY person who has been consently serious about border security is Duncan Hunter. Paul is been on all sides of the issue on immigration.
"I fooled 'em once. They won't be fooled again! "
Because you arguement is a total straw man. You avoid the point of this thread to make up a spurious arguement then demand everyone agure your irrlevent point. Freepers are to smart to fall for such attempts to diver off issue to avoid admiting your guy Paul is a total fraud.
Actually I thought the article answered those question quite effectively.
I recommend Thorazine...
I am not trying to pick nits with you, but you are totally wrong.
Ron Paul is no fraud.
He is the genuine article.
A 100% total and complete, bona fide nut job...
Another fraudulent statement about Hunter by you.
Hunter scores an A- on Immigration votes. Paul only scores a B
OPPS! Sorry! I stand corrected!
His too busy stuffing it with shrimp(lol)
I just want to stick the the facts, that’s all...
paulites should have been banned after the last debate... PERMANENTLY!
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