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Is Ron Paul our only hope for a secure border?
SmallGovTimes.com ^ | September 10th, 2007 | Steve Adcock, SmallGovTimes.com

Posted on 09/10/2007 10:15:47 AM PDT by sdnet

Michael Savage calls it a “third world invasion”. I call it an “immigration travesty”. Whatever phrase you wish to attach to it, our southern borders are as open as Al Gore's wallet in a carbon credit retailer.

Rudy Giuliani proclaimed New York City a sanctuary city as Mayor. McCain sponsored the immigration reform bill (dubbed “Amnesty bill” by immigration activists) that died quickly in Congress and Mitt Romney's position on immigration keeps changing, at least according to John McCain. Fox News took a jab at Romney during the debate several days ago, questioning the fact he had hired illegal immigrants to cut his own lawn.

If immigration is your issue, then Ron Paul appears to be your man. Paul has held the most consistent position on immigration out of any of the candidates running for the White House during his decades of service in Washington D.C.

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TOPICS: Editorial; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: aliens; borders; immigrantlist; immigration; nut; paul; paulestinians; ron
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1 posted on 09/10/2007 10:15:53 AM PDT by sdnet
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To: sdnet
We need Ron Paul to protect us from those who would impurify our precious bodily fluids!


2 posted on 09/10/2007 10:19:30 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (Want authentic 1st century Christianity? Visit a local, New Testament Independent Baptist church!)
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To: sdnet

Immigration is my issue. Paul is not my man. Duncan Hunter has the answer.


3 posted on 09/10/2007 10:19:33 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The broken wall, the burning roof and tower. And Agamemnon dead.)
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To: sdnet
Let’s see if he can control the borders around Star Trek Conventions to keep is supporters from getting out and annoying the rest of the country.
4 posted on 09/10/2007 10:20:03 AM PDT by elizabetty (Ron Paul - Because Moonbats Need Choices Too!)
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To: sdnet

Uh huh...

He’ll protect us from people coming over the border, but missiles are invited to come on down...


5 posted on 09/10/2007 10:21:07 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (I don't use a sarcasm tag, it kills the effect...)
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To: sdnet
Ron Who?

--crickets--

OK, I can't resist-

Ron Paul on Border Security:

(1) Votes against putting the Military on the border
2006: H. Amdt. 206 to H.R. 1815
2004: Goode Amendment to H.R. 4200
2003: Goode Amendment to H.R. 1588
2002: H. Amdt. 479 to H.R. 4546
2001: Traficant amendment to HR 2586
2000: Traficant amendment to H.R.4205
1999: Trafficant Amendment to H.R. 1401.
(2) Paul voted in 1997, 2001( H.R. 1885) and 2002 (H RES 365) to grant, extend or continue Section 245-i amnesties for illegal aliens.
(3) Paul voted NO on extending the voluntary Basic Pilot Workplace Verification Program (H.R. 2359),
(4) Paul voted NO on the border fence in 2005 (Hunter Amendment to HR 4437 - “Enforcement Only” Bill).
(5) Paul voted YES to increase H2-B (HR 763 in 2005) and H-1B visas (HR 3736 in 1998). In 1998, he voted to allow US firms to lay off Americans to replace them with foreigners.

6 posted on 09/10/2007 10:22:01 AM PDT by mnehring (Visit the Fredquarters- Fred08.com)
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To: sdnet; George W. Bush

ping...


7 posted on 09/10/2007 10:22:18 AM PDT by dcwusmc (We need to make government so small that it can be drowned in a bathtub.)
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To: elizabetty

I like it!


8 posted on 09/10/2007 10:22:22 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (I don't use a sarcasm tag, it kills the effect...)
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To: sdnet
No but he is the only hope for terrorists, truthers and the antiwar crowd from a member of the GOP for the unconditional surrender to Al Qaeda and the conversion to Islam.
9 posted on 09/10/2007 10:22:37 AM PDT by jrooney (The democrats are the friend of our enemy and the enemy of our friends. Attack them, not GW!)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Is this author delusional? Ron Paul is the only candidate who wants to stop illegal immigration? He might come in third on that issue, but I would not even bet on that

Duncan Hunter is the man , concerning this issue. No ifs, ands, or buts.


10 posted on 09/10/2007 10:24:10 AM PDT by David Isaac (Duncan Hunter '08)
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To: sdnet

After the Guiliani purge I have to ask myself every time I read more Ron Paul spam, if the wrong folks were shown the door?


11 posted on 09/10/2007 10:25:25 AM PDT by American_Centurion (No, I don't trust the government to automatically do the right thing.)
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To: sdnet

Ron Paul will right on that after he get the UN’s blessing and makes sure the Islamists won’t be offended.


12 posted on 09/10/2007 10:26:26 AM PDT by Chi-townChief
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Comment #13 Removed by Moderator

To: Allegra
Ping.
14 posted on 09/10/2007 10:27:19 AM PDT by mnehring (Thompson/Hunter '08- Time to have the real men in charge!)
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To: American_Centurion

Think a rat on a sting for the mods...

Look a few days ago there is a thread with JR beating a couple of Paulettes around like a cat toy.

The bosses here know a good entertainment value.


15 posted on 09/10/2007 10:28:01 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (I don't use a sarcasm tag, it kills the effect...)
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To: ejonesie22

I’m sorry I missed that.


16 posted on 09/10/2007 10:29:04 AM PDT by American_Centurion (No, I don't trust the government to automatically do the right thing.)
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To: David Isaac
Is this author delusional? Ron Paul is the only candidate who wants to stop illegal immigration?

Delusions are a common thing among the Paul-Worshipers. Pretty much a requirement to join the Cult.

17 posted on 09/10/2007 10:29:21 AM PDT by Allegra (Turning Vanity Threads Into New Socks Threads at Every Opportunity)
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To: ejonesie22

Can you ping me a link to that?


18 posted on 09/10/2007 10:30:05 AM PDT by mnehring (Thompson/Hunter '08- Time to have the real men in charge!)
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To: David Isaac
Duncan Hunter is the man , concerning this issue. No ifs, ands, or buts

Tom Tancredo and Duncan Hunter are both excellent on immigration...although Tancredo is the only candidate who has also touched the serious issue of changing our legal immigration policies...42 years of 1 million+ immigrants a year is unprecedented in this country's history

Plus Tancredo is much more fiscally responsible than Hunter.

19 posted on 09/10/2007 10:30:36 AM PDT by uxbridge
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To: mnehrling

"Arrrrrrrrr! Letters of Marque be what's needed to secure our borders, boyo! Take it from yer old mate, Jack Sparrow!"

;)

20 posted on 09/10/2007 10:32:10 AM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("Proudly keeping one iron boot on the necks of libertarian faux 'conservatives' since 1958!")
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To: sdnet

There is no hope for a secure border. Both Parties will continue the One Worlder crusade, while they keep us at each others’ throats over minor social issues.


21 posted on 09/10/2007 10:34:17 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: sdnet

If Ron Paul is your “only hope” for anything ... I’d suggest coming up with a Plan B. He’s got about as much chance of winning as Pat Buchanan, Ralph Nader, Lyndon LaRouche or Dennis Kucinich.

If it’s Hillary vs. Ron Paul ... I’ll have to abstain or vote for a third party candidate.

H


22 posted on 09/10/2007 10:36:25 AM PDT by SnakeDoctor ("Don't worry. History will get it right ... and we'll both be dead." - George W. Bush to Karl Rove)
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To: ejonesie22

I’d love to see this! Please ping me a link...? ;)


23 posted on 09/10/2007 10:36:39 AM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("Proudly keeping one iron boot on the necks of libertarian faux 'conservatives' since 1958!")
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To: jrooney
No but he is the only hope for terrorists, truthers and the antiwar crowd from a member of the GOP for the unconditional surrender to Al Qaeda and the conversion to Islam.

Wow. Flawless logic. Let's see...

Ron Paul wants to end welfare for illegals = Ron Paul was the 20th hijacker.

I'll have to keep that in mind...until I hit the "post" and "back" buttons.

24 posted on 09/10/2007 10:37:40 AM PDT by Freedom_no_exceptions (No actual, intended, or imminent victim = no crime. No exceptions.)
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To: American_Centurion
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1892610/posts?page=256#256

Look around there, though that post was a gem.

Also it is a real hoot when these guys act like they are the "Illuminati" of Free Republic, especially in light of this from Jim himself on the first page:

Statement by the founder of Free Republic:

In our continuing fight for freedom, for America and our constitution and against totalitarianism, socialism, tyranny, terrorism, etc., Free Republic stands firmly on the side of right, i.e., the conservative side. Believing that the best defense is a strong offense, we (myself and those whom I'm trying to attract to FR) support the strategy of taking the fight to the enemy as opposed to allowing the enemy the luxury of conducting their attacks on us at home on their terms and on their schedule.

Therefore, we wholeheartedly support the Bush Doctrine of pre-emptive strikes on known terrorist states and organizations that are believed to present a clear threat to our freedom or national security. We support our military, our troops and our Commander-in-Chief and we oppose turning control of our government back over to the liberals and socialists who favor appeasement, weakness, and subserviency. We do not believe in surrendering to the terrorists as France, Germany, Russia and Spain have done and as Kerry, Kennedy, Clinton and the Democrats, et al, are proposing.

Hum, that sound exactly like Ron Paul, doesn't it...

25 posted on 09/10/2007 10:39:01 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (I don't use a sarcasm tag, it kills the effect...)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

ROTFLMBO!!!!! I loved that movie!


26 posted on 09/10/2007 10:39:08 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: mnehrling

See my reply to their post...


27 posted on 09/10/2007 10:40:02 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (I don't use a sarcasm tag, it kills the effect...)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

Arragh, avast ye scurvy dog...


28 posted on 09/10/2007 10:41:21 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (I don't use a sarcasm tag, it kills the effect...)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

See post 16 on this thread...


29 posted on 09/10/2007 10:44:21 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (I don't use a sarcasm tag, it kills the effect...)
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To: SittinYonder

ping!!


30 posted on 09/10/2007 10:45:47 AM PDT by Millee (Tagline free since 10/20/06)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Hunter wants to build a fence.
Ron Paul wants to get rid of the incentives that bring them here.

Example 1:
http://www.house.gov/paul/tst/tst2006/tst100206.htm
“Rethinking Birthright Citizenship
I’ve introduced legislation that would amend the Constitution and end automatic birthright citizenship. The 14th amendment was ratified in 1868, on the heels of the Civil War. The country, especially the western territories, was wide open and ripe for homesteading. There was no welfare state to exploit, and the modern problems associated with immigration could not have been imagined.” (H. J. RES. 46)

Sponsor: Rep Paul, Ron [TX-14] (introduced 6/13/2007)
Co-Sponsors:
Rep Akin, W. Todd [MO-2] - 6/13/2007
Rep Alexander, Rodney [LA-5] - 6/27/2007
Rep Deal, Nathan [GA-9] - 6/13/2007
Rep Goode, Virgil H., Jr. [VA-5] - 6/13/2007
Rep Jones, Walter B., Jr. [NC-3] - 6/15/2007
Rep Miller, Jeff [FL-1] - 6/27/2007
Rep Wamp, Zach [TN-3] - 7/17/2007

I don’t see Hunter or Tancredo as Co-sponsors. I wonder why not?

Example 2:
http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul269.html
“Immigration and the Welfare State
Our current welfare system also encourages illegal immigration by discouraging American citizens from taking low-wage jobs. This creates greater demand for illegal foreign labor. Welfare programs and minimum wage laws create an artificial market for labor to do the jobs Americans supposedly won’t do.

Illegal immigrants also place a tremendous strain on social entitlement programs. Under a proposed totalization agreement with Mexico, millions of illegal immigrants will qualify for Social Security and other programs – programs that already threaten financial ruin for America in the coming decades. Adding millions of foreign citizens to the Social Security, Medicare, and disability rolls will only hasten the inevitable day of reckoning. “

Which is more effective? Removing incentives or a fence?
That can be debated, but I think Ron Paul’s ideas deserve discussion.


31 posted on 09/10/2007 10:47:25 AM PDT by specsaregood (Join the rEVOLution)
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To: specsaregood
Ping #6...
To bad Paul doesn’t put his votes where his mouth is.
32 posted on 09/10/2007 10:48:33 AM PDT by mnehring (Thompson/Hunter '08- Time to have the real men in charge!)
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To: ejonesie22; mnehrling; KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1892610/posts?page=248#229

And this response, before the other, about midway in the dialog.

Jim is a damned poet. I could not have expressed myself to a Paulette any better.

Right up there with McAuliffe's "Nuts" to the Germans it is...

Next Freepeathon, my checkbook is out...

33 posted on 09/10/2007 10:50:59 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (I don't use a sarcasm tag, it kills the effect...)
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To: jimrob

Courtesy ping..

Your ears burning?


34 posted on 09/10/2007 10:51:36 AM PDT by mnehring (Thompson/Hunter '08- Time to have the real men in charge!)
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To: sdnet
Is Ron Paul our only hope for a secure border?

No, but thanks for asking.

35 posted on 09/10/2007 10:54:21 AM PDT by SmithL (I don't do Barf Alerts, you're old enough to read and decide for yourself)
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To: sdnet

“Is Ron Paul our only hope for a secure border?”

If he is, we are all doomed.


36 posted on 09/10/2007 10:54:52 AM PDT by HoustonTech
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To: mnehrling

So you have evidence of votes disputing what I stated in my post? ie: Ron Paul wanting to end the welfare state for illegal aliens? Or voting to end birthright citizenship to children of illegal aliens?

If not, why post a reply to me? Care to discuss what I posted?


37 posted on 09/10/2007 10:57:01 AM PDT by specsaregood (Join the rEVOLution)
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To: sdnet

This is so stupid it raises serious questions about the author’s sanity. The ONLY person who has been consently serious about border security is Duncan Hunter. Paul is been on all sides of the issue on immigration.


38 posted on 09/10/2007 10:57:32 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (http://www.vetsforfreedom.org/)
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To: sdnet
"Hey Ron! Listen up pal. "

"I fooled 'em once. They won't be fooled again! "

39 posted on 09/10/2007 10:58:42 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: specsaregood

Because you arguement is a total straw man. You avoid the point of this thread to make up a spurious arguement then demand everyone agure your irrlevent point. Freepers are to smart to fall for such attempts to diver off issue to avoid admiting your guy Paul is a total fraud.


40 posted on 09/10/2007 11:00:07 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (http://www.vetsforfreedom.org/)
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To: specsaregood
I am talking about overall border security votes in general. He is about 50% on that subject. If it were any other candidate, no one would think twice about slapping the RINO label on him.
41 posted on 09/10/2007 11:00:31 AM PDT by mnehring (Thompson/Hunter '08- Time to have the real men in charge!)
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To: MNJohnnie
This is so stupid it raises serious questions about the author’s sanity. The ONLY person who has been consently serious about border security is Duncan Hunter. Paul is been on all sides of the issue on immigration.

Actually I thought the article answered those question quite effectively.

I recommend Thorazine...

42 posted on 09/10/2007 11:00:40 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (I don't use a sarcasm tag, it kills the effect...)
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To: MNJohnnie
Because you arguement is a total straw man. You avoid the point of this thread to make up a spurious arguement then demand everyone agure your irrlevent point. Freepers are to smart to fall for such attempts to diver off issue to avoid admiting your guy Paul is a total fraud.

I am not trying to pick nits with you, but you are totally wrong.

Ron Paul is no fraud.

He is the genuine article.

A 100% total and complete, bona fide nut job...

43 posted on 09/10/2007 11:05:57 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (I don't use a sarcasm tag, it kills the effect...)
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To: specsaregood

Another fraudulent statement about Hunter by you.

http://grades.betterimmigration.com/testgrades.php3?District=CA52&VIPID=133

Hunter scores an A- on Immigration votes. Paul only scores a B

http://grades.betterimmigration.com/compare.php3?District=TX14&Category=0&Status=Career&VIPID=787


44 posted on 09/10/2007 11:06:52 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (http://www.vetsforfreedom.org/)
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To: ejonesie22

OPPS! Sorry! I stand corrected!


45 posted on 09/10/2007 11:07:58 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (http://www.vetsforfreedom.org/)
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To: mnehrling

His too busy stuffing it with shrimp(lol)


46 posted on 09/10/2007 11:08:38 AM PDT by italianquaker (Is there anything Ron Paul doesn't blame the USA for?)
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To: MNJohnnie
The ONLY person who has been consently serious about border security is Duncan Hunter. Paul is been on all sides of the issue on immigration.

Not at all. Duncan, Tancredo and Paul have all been very consistent. Tanc gets credit for being much more consistent and determined and trying to bring that message to more voters for a longer period. Hunter certainly gets credit for leadership on the border fence and for being very pointed in drawing attention to the lack of progress on it. And Ron Paul has been very consistent in supporting a closed-border and in opposing amnesties and welfare giveaways.
47 posted on 09/10/2007 11:10:07 AM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: MNJohnnie

I just want to stick the the facts, that’s all...


48 posted on 09/10/2007 11:11:34 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (I don't use a sarcasm tag, it kills the effect...)
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To: sdnet
Benedict paul is al qaeda’s best hope... second only to the beast... but he may even have her beat when it comes to surrendering and sticking our heads in the sand.

LLS

49 posted on 09/10/2007 11:17:54 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Support America, Kill terrorists, Destroy dims!)
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To: American_Centurion

paulites should have been banned after the last debate... PERMANENTLY!

LLS


50 posted on 09/10/2007 11:19:12 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Support America, Kill terrorists, Destroy dims!)
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