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Poll: Iraqis say US troops not helping
AP on Yahoo ^ | 9/10/07 | Alan Fram - ap

Posted on 09/10/2007 5:32:50 PM PDT by NormsRevenge

WASHINGTON - Overwhelming numbers of Iraqis say the U.S. troop buildup has worsened security and the prospects for economic and political progress in their country, according to a poll released Monday that provides a strikingly bleak appraisal of the war.

Forty-seven percent want American forces and their coalition allies to leave the country immediately, the survey showed, 12 points more than said so in a March poll as the troop increase was beginning. And 57 percent — including nearly all Sunnis and half of Shiites — said they consider attacks on coalition forces acceptable, a slight increase over the past half year.

The poll, conducted by ABC News, Britain's BBC, and Japan's public broadcaster NHK, was released at the start of a critical week in the fight by Democrats trying to force President Bush to begin a withdrawal.

Seventy percent in the survey said they believe security has worsened where the added forces were sent, with another 11 percent saying the buildup has had no effect. Similar numbers said security in other parts of the country has deteriorated and that overall economic and political conditions have declined.

Only a quarter said their own communities have become safer in the past half year. Every person interviewed in Baghdad and Anbar province, a Sunni-dominated area where Bush recently visited and cited progress, said the troop increase has worsened security.

Countrywide, a fourth reported nearby car bombs or suicide attacks in the past six months, with as many or slightly fewer saying they have seen snipers, sectarian fighting, kidnappings and unnecessary violence by coalition forces against citizens.

Just 39 percent said their lives were going well, while only a fifth said they think things in the country are going well. Minorities said they approve of the job being done by Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki or have confidence in U.S. and British forces.

Despite their pessimistic views of their lives, virtually all said that separating Iraqis along sectarian lines is bad for the country. Six in 10 said they wanted a unified country ruled by a central government in Baghdad.

Some interviewers conducting the survey reported encountering military operations or suicide attacks, and some were detained by government or militia forces, but all completed their work safely. A handful of interviewing locations had to be changed for security reasons.

The poll was conducted August 17 to 24 and involved face-to-face interviews in Arabic or Kurdish with 2,212 randomly chosen adult Iraqis from across the country. The poll has a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 2.5 percentage points, and was conducted by D3 Systems of Vienna, Va., and KA Research Limited of Istanbul.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: helping; iraq; iraqis; pollsiniraq; ustroops
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There are days like today where one can literally see the salvos of propaganda from AP&the MSM with this and that 'piece' telling us how the Iraqis feel about the latest state of affairs in their war-torn country. At least, it sure seems like it as it is continually made out that Iraq suffers from widespread suffering and all is in vain.

Stand strong. What is afoot is having impact for good.

1 posted on 09/10/2007 5:32:56 PM PDT by NormsRevenge
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Meanwhile..

Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr, left, steps from an office building in Najaf, Iraq Saturday June 5, 2004. Iraq's most powerful Shiite militia leader is turning to his commanders who distinguished themselves fighting U.S. troops in 2004 to screen fighters, weed out criminals and assume key positions in an effort to build a more disciplined force, two of his key lieutenants say. (AP Photo/Khalid Mohammed, File)

2 posted on 09/10/2007 5:35:28 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed ... ICE’s toll-free tip hotline—1-866-DHS-2-ICE)
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To: NormsRevenge

Stand by for all the negative news the MSM can create to get the Generals comments out of the news along with the facts and move toward liberal ideas.


3 posted on 09/10/2007 5:35:50 PM PDT by edcoil (Reality doesn't say much - doesn't need too)
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To: NormsRevenge

Of course the AP didn’t actually venture beyond the press pool to take this poll.


4 posted on 09/10/2007 5:36:34 PM PDT by counterpunch (Ron Paul is gearing up to be Hillary Clinton's Ross Perot.)
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To: NormsRevenge
They forgot to mention that they polled only al Qaeda members.
5 posted on 09/10/2007 5:36:45 PM PDT by vetsvette (Bring Him Back)
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To: NormsRevenge

This is part of the Media’s tet offensive against US forces.

1. Denial of pro war ads in newspapers
2. Betray us attacks on Petraues
3. Bogus studies on how they hate us more

Like the previous offensive— it will fail.


6 posted on 09/10/2007 5:36:50 PM PDT by lonestar67 (Its time to withdraw from the War on Bush-- your side is hopelessly lost in a quagmire.)
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To: NormsRevenge
The poll, conducted by ABC News, Britain's BBC, and Japan's public broadcaster NHK, was released at the start of a critical week in the fight by Democrats trying to force President Bush to begin a withdrawal.

A.P. Poll: Iraqis say US troops not helping

DoughtyOne to All Parties Concerned: Iraqi push-polls not helping!

7 posted on 09/10/2007 5:37:22 PM PDT by DoughtyOne ((Victory will never be achieved while defining Conservatism downward, and forsaking its heritage.))
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To: NormsRevenge

Of course, the air is ripe with their BS.


8 posted on 09/10/2007 5:37:31 PM PDT by monkeycard (There is no such thing as too much ammo.)
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We'll see how soon and how badly the Brits are missed as well..

A handout photograph from the Ministry of Defence, shows a convoy of British armoured vehicles pulling out from Basra Palace, 3 September 2007. Britain's military commander in Iraq said that British soldiers were prepared to withdraw its forces from the southern Iraqi city of Basra in April, but held off for five months after the United States asked it to stay.(AFP/MoD/File)

9 posted on 09/10/2007 5:37:37 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed ... ICE’s toll-free tip hotline—1-866-DHS-2-ICE)
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To: NormsRevenge
What did Al AP do, poll Al Qaeda?
10 posted on 09/10/2007 5:37:45 PM PDT by dforest (Duncan Hunter is the best hope we have on both fronts.)
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To: indylindy

Cut the polling crap AP


11 posted on 09/10/2007 5:38:55 PM PDT by Rodm (Seest thou a man diligent in his business? He shall stand before kings)
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To: NormsRevenge
Forty-seven percent want American forces and their coalition allies to leave the country immediately...

What a coincidence! 74% of Americans want Congress and their lobbyist allies to leave the country immediately...

12 posted on 09/10/2007 5:39:12 PM PDT by DTogo (I haven't left the GOP, the GOP left me.)
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To: NormsRevenge

The brits held the place longer then they held some of our towns when we were at war with them.


13 posted on 09/10/2007 5:39:35 PM PDT by edcoil (Reality doesn't say much - doesn't need too)
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To: NormsRevenge
The Iraqi people have an elected government. They can, through their elected officials, ask us to leave any time. They haven’t.

This poll doesn’t amount to a hill of beans.

14 posted on 09/10/2007 5:39:52 PM PDT by BigBobber
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To: Rodm

They are doing the polling that the Iranians would do if they could. Or then...maybe they did!


15 posted on 09/10/2007 5:40:22 PM PDT by dforest (Duncan Hunter is the best hope we have on both fronts.)
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To: NormsRevenge
I’m inclined to say, lets bring our boys home. Let the place turn into a terrorist $*** hole, and drop a nuke on it when they get out of hand. Bunch of ungrateful ingrates.
16 posted on 09/10/2007 5:40:27 PM PDT by chaos_5 (The Democrats are Communists)
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To: NormsRevenge

Polls of Japanese post-WWII reveal Japanese want Americans to go home.


17 posted on 09/10/2007 5:40:59 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: NormsRevenge

Note on Methodology

“......In addition to the national sample, oversamples were drawn in Anbar province, Sadr City, Basra city and Kirkuk city to allow for more reliable analysis in those areas.”

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=3571535&page=1

The whole thing looks pretty screwy. LOL


18 posted on 09/10/2007 5:41:07 PM PDT by penelopesire
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To: NormsRevenge
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19 posted on 09/10/2007 5:41:35 PM PDT by rfp1234 (Nothing is better than eternal happiness. A ham sandwich is better than nothing. Therefore...)
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To: NormsRevenge

i don’t believe this ‘poll’


20 posted on 09/10/2007 5:41:52 PM PDT by Jewels1091
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To: NormsRevenge

Why were they able to conduct a poll after going so long without one?

Oh wait!

Security is now so AWESOME that you can actually go around and ask people.

“all intervewers returned safely.”

But how is that possible, security is getting worse not better.


21 posted on 09/10/2007 5:42:18 PM PDT by lonestar67 (Its time to withdraw from the War on Bush-- your side is hopelessly lost in a quagmire.)
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To: NormsRevenge
That piece of shiite needs to be made into a compost pile.
22 posted on 09/10/2007 5:42:42 PM PDT by MarineDad (Whenever mosques and JDAM's meet, civilization benefits.)
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To: NormsRevenge

My first reaction to this was “screw them.” because we know when we pull out too early that genocide will probably take place, as their military cannot step up yet.

I have come to the conclusion that some people really dont want freedom-and therefore Bush’s theory of spreading freedom is wrong. Islamic Law (Sharia) does not permit freedom of speech, thought, religion, etc, etc. Large majorities of Muslims want Sharia law imposed in every country.


23 posted on 09/10/2007 5:42:58 PM PDT by camerakid400
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To: NormsRevenge

You can’t spell crap without the AP...


24 posted on 09/10/2007 5:43:12 PM PDT by G8 Diplomat (It's campaign season. Let's rumble!)
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To: NormsRevenge

Well said, sir.

5th General Order.

Semper Fi.


25 posted on 09/10/2007 5:43:17 PM PDT by Grimmy (equivocation is but the first step along the road to capitulation)
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To: NormsRevenge

I want an independent audit of that poll.


26 posted on 09/10/2007 5:43:31 PM PDT by sionnsar (trad-anglican.faithweb.com |Iran Azadi| 5yst3m 0wn3d - it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY) | UN: Useless Nations)
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To: NormsRevenge
"nearly all Sunnis and half of Shiites","Similar numbers said","Only a quarter said"," a fourth reported","only a fifth said they think"......

These are not words from a legitimate poll. Methinks someone is cooking the books here.

27 posted on 09/10/2007 5:43:53 PM PDT by norwaypinesavage (Planting trees to offset carbon emissions is like drinking water to offset rising ocean levels)
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To: NormsRevenge

Sure they did ... I am rather disenchanted with Polls at this moment since .... the LAMESTREAM MEDIA works fervently to portray a picture they wish for the world to see....for their own personal agenda.


28 posted on 09/10/2007 5:44:15 PM PDT by Paige ("Facts are stubborn things." President Ronald Reagan)
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To: NormsRevenge

As the (overwhelmingly)American forces bring order and security to their lives the Iraqis are feeling less threatened and, perversely, they see less need for us to be there. We are a victim of our own success. This poll is a measure of our effectiveness


29 posted on 09/10/2007 5:46:07 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopechne is walking around free)
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To: lonestar67; All

INcoming!!!! :-}

Quotes on the House hearing on Iraq
AP
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1894306/posts


30 posted on 09/10/2007 5:48:50 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed ... ICE’s toll-free tip hotline—1-866-DHS-2-ICE)
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To: NormsRevenge


 

31 posted on 09/10/2007 5:50:27 PM PDT by counterpunch (Ron Paul is gearing up to be Hillary Clinton's Ross Perot.)
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To: edcoil

I know that General Petraeus is a big boy - he handled himself so beautifully in spite of the unprecedented outrageous rudeness he had to put up with from those stupid Commies in Congress - but I hurt so badly for him.

Everyone of those barbarians should be voted out of office.
As citizens, I wish we could make citizen arrests on them!

And to think Rep. Duncan Hunter has had to work with them on a daily basis! He kept his cool, too, in his outstanding prologue speech. Two great Americans. Hunter and Petreaus!


32 posted on 09/10/2007 5:51:31 PM PDT by Paperdoll ( Duncan Hunter '08)
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To: NormsRevenge

In other news, the Sionnsar Holey Independent Testing Survey revealed in a survey of 926,286,667 Iraqis that 94% of Iraqis think that life is better today than under Saddam, 23% think it is worse, and 19% declined to answer because they’re infiltrators from Iran or elsewhere and didn’t want to distort the poll results.


33 posted on 09/10/2007 5:52:33 PM PDT by sionnsar (trad-anglican.faithweb.com |Iran Azadi| 5yst3m 0wn3d - it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY) | UN: Useless Nations)
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To: NormsRevenge

Here’s a gem left out of all major accounts of this poll but in the full data:

“There are some improvements, but they’re sparse and inconsistent. Thirty-eight percent
in Anbar province, a focal point of the surge, now rate local security positively; none did
so six months ago. In Baghdad fewer now describe themselves as feeling completely
unsafe in their own neighborhoods – 58 percent, down from 84 percent.”

http://abcnews.go.com/images/US/1043a1IraqWhereThingsStand.pdf


34 posted on 09/10/2007 5:52:42 PM PDT by lonestar67 (Its time to withdraw from the War on Bush-- your side is hopelessly lost in a quagmire.)
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To: NormsRevenge
The poll, conducted by ABC News, Britain's BBC, and Japan's public broadcaster NHK...

ROTFL!!!! Now there's three credible sources. Funny stuff.

35 posted on 09/10/2007 5:54:05 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (The DemocRATS own failure and defeat. Success and victory really depresses them.)
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To: Paperdoll
Everyone of those barbarians should be voted out of office.

Paperdoll, I truly admire your gentle nature.

36 posted on 09/10/2007 5:54:11 PM PDT by sionnsar (trad-anglican.faithweb.com |Iran Azadi| 5yst3m 0wn3d - it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY) | UN: Useless Nations)
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To: NormsRevenge

I am still processing the full report but it seems clear that the details of the ABC survey show the exact opposit of the headlines.

In Anbar and Bagdad security has improved dramatically— more than 25%. This means the surge— which focused on these two areas specifically did work incredibly well..

Moreover, the implications for democrats are even more devastating.

Where British troops have pulled out in the dramatic fashion desired by defeatocrats— the Iraqi pullout complains about the collapse of security.

It looks like surge works and pullout fails.


37 posted on 09/10/2007 5:55:01 PM PDT by lonestar67 (Its time to withdraw from the War on Bush-- your side is hopelessly lost in a quagmire.)
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To: lonestar67

What I see is hard to define, is this spin or anti-spin? lol


38 posted on 09/10/2007 5:56:08 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed ... ICE’s toll-free tip hotline—1-866-DHS-2-ICE)
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To: NormsRevenge

Ya know, I don’t really care what the “Iraqi” people think anyway. I’m one of those persons that has no problem clearly stating that this war and the one in Afganistan is about enhancing AMERICAN security and protecting AMERICAN interests. If Iraqis and Afgans gain, in the long term, a free country, then that is just a bonus effect.

The Taliban was harboring Bin Landin in Afganistan, and they had to be overthrown. The Iraqi people continued to allow Saddam to be a thorn in our side and a constant source of concern. So, I have no problems in our taking out that government, regardless of the presence or absence of WMDs. It was in AMERICA’s best interests.

Now I’m not someone advocating American colonialism, and I hope that eventually stable, free, and AMERICAN friendly governments can be set up in both countries that will serve the people of those lands and give them peace and other ideals.

However, in the present, I personnally see these folks as CONQUERED people, and I don’t care what they think about us. They can either like us or they can be made to fear and dread us more than insurgents and Iran. I would prefer the former, but am quite content with the latter if they can’t get their acts together.

Since they are a CONQUERED people, then maybe we should start treating them that way. My goodness, it isn’t as if they love and adore us. If they are going to call us imperialists, then let us give them a taste of imperialism so that we can eventually pacify them.

I prefer that we make the lives of Afgans and Iraqis better, but I demand that, if nothing more, we pacify them regardless of how heavy handed we must be.


39 posted on 09/10/2007 5:57:14 PM PDT by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: BigBobber

Yep, I believe in polls. If I want a day of gulf I poll my kids. If I want to paint the garage, I poll my wife.

Same with most polls … I can direct my questions toward the demographic that will give me the response I’m looking for.


40 posted on 09/10/2007 5:58:08 PM PDT by doc1019 (Fred Thompson '08)
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To: NormsRevenge

I might give this some credence if it came from a more credible source than either AP or Yahoo.

However, sisnce it didn’t . . . . . . .


41 posted on 09/10/2007 5:58:13 PM PDT by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: camerakid400

“I have come to the conclusion that some people really dont want freedom-and therefore Bush’s theory of spreading freedom is wrong. Islamic Law (Sharia) does not permit freedom of speech, thought, religion, etc, etc. Large majorities of Muslims want Sharia law imposed in every country.”

Then my conclusion is that, regretible, a LARGE number of Muslins need to be put to the sword to end that kind of thinking. If some towel head says he wants “Sharia”, we cleave him head to toe.

My I am rather bellicose today.


42 posted on 09/10/2007 6:01:19 PM PDT by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: sionnsar

>Paperdoll, I truly admire your gentle nature.<

Nothing gets my Irish up like insuborninate who are out to do an honorable person in. And to think the “ladies and gentlemen” we have voted into office fit that description is unbelievable.


43 posted on 09/10/2007 6:02:42 PM PDT by Paperdoll ( Duncan Hunter '08)
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To: Paperdoll
Nothing gets my Irish up...

Photo Sharing and Video Hosting at PhotobucketI was serious. That your restraint was kept to "vote 'em out" is admirable.

D' ye ken noo, lass?

44 posted on 09/10/2007 6:12:23 PM PDT by sionnsar (trad-anglican.faithweb.com |Iran Azadi| 5yst3m 0wn3d - it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY) | UN: Useless Nations)
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To: NormsRevenge

More non news from the survey:

“Iraqis – Sunni and Shiite alike – almost unanimously reject
other activities of al Qaeda in Iraq – attacking Iraqi civilians (100 percent call this
unacceptable), attempting to gain control of some areas (98 percent) and recruiting
foreign fighters to come to Iraq (97 percent). “

We have totally won the hearts and minds war against Al Qaeda in Iraq. They promised to turn Iraq into their fiefdom and they have been CRUSHED on that count. The media absolutely refuses to acknowledge this HUGE success.

There is no nation on the Earth as opposed to Al Qaeda as Iraq. Our own nationa has higher support for Al Qaeda.


45 posted on 09/10/2007 6:12:32 PM PDT by lonestar67 (Its time to withdraw from the War on Bush-- your side is hopelessly lost in a quagmire.)
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To: NormsRevenge

What a crock of shiite.


46 posted on 09/10/2007 6:12:45 PM PDT by pissant (Duncan Hunter: Warrior, Statesman, Conservative)
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To: Sola Veritas

A World Public Opinion poll shows about 75 percent of Morocco, Pakistan, Egypt, and Indonesia Muslims want Sharia Law. They believe it is the only way to follow Allah and Muhammad.

There are groups of Muslims in Iraq who love the troops...mostly children. However, they are brainwashed to hate Americans in their Mosques.


47 posted on 09/10/2007 6:13:28 PM PDT by camerakid400
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To: NormsRevenge

Why do these news organizations have any credibility left?


48 posted on 09/10/2007 6:16:20 PM PDT by popdonnelly (Our first responsibility is to keep the power of the Presidency out of the hands of the Clintons.)
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To: FreedomPoster

Polls of Germans post-WW2 reveal Germans want Americans to go home, and polls in 2007 say the same thing. Nothing changes.


49 posted on 09/10/2007 6:18:35 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper (Madmax, the Grinning Reaper)
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To: NormsRevenge
I can just see how the poll was conducted. The Pollster has the questions to the poll written up and submitted to an Iraqi to have the questions put in Arabic. However, the Iraqi is actually a Iranian agent. The questions are rewritten to say, “If you knew that someone would stab you while you slept if you said the U.S. troops were good for Iraq, on a scale of 1 to 5 are the U.S. troops doing Iraq any good?”

In the meantime, the press sucks up this bogus poll in between Pina Coladas poolside at the Hotel Palestine, Baghdad

50 posted on 09/10/2007 6:19:10 PM PDT by jonrick46
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