Posted on 09/11/2007 4:50:56 AM PDT by Neville72
I suspect that what is happening is that the minerals dissolved in the water act as a conductor through which the microwaves induce an electrical current; if so this amounts to nothing but an overly complex method of electrolysis. Like other methods of electrolysis, the limiting factor is that even at 100% efficiency you will not get more energy out of it than you put in.
“the hydrogen will burn as long as it is exposed to the frequencies”
I guess a match won’t do?? LOL!
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Actually, perpetual motion is theoretically possible. It’s also quite useless because it stops as soon as you take energy out of the system.
“Perhaps microwaves are a good way to do that, but there is no “breakthrough” here.”
Unbelievable that knowledge of basic chemistry is so rare that
high school level science demonstrations are being heralded as the “New Hope for Mankind!!!”.
If it has a higher efficiency for obtaining and burning hydrogen than existing methods he likely would have publicized that fact. Ergo, it is likely no more efficient than other means so Federal funding is sought to research marketable applications which would result in proceeds to his university. The univeristy isn't funding it so that's a clue....
Theoritically possible only if you ignore inconvenient things like friction.
(Do you have a different meaning or did you mean TANSTAAFL?)
A misspeling (sic) on my part. There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch.
Friction is one of those things that takes energy out of the system. Conservation of energy dictates that if no energy is removed from a closed system then it will never stop. The only real-life example we have, though, is the entire universe ;-)
Any planet’s orbit around the sun can be considered “perpetual” motion as far as the life of the human race is concerned, but the usual definition of perpetual motion is some sort of gadget that produces energy from no-place thus violating the 1st law of thermodynamics (like this device)
Suppose you put a satellite in spate orbiting around the north poll. Then you attach a cable to it and bring it down to the north poll. Then you use the energy from the cable spinning the poll around and make energy. You could run the World!
There are many researchers that say he is on to something and are excited about the tech he uses.
The burning saltwater story, OTOH, makes me cry at the state of public education in the US today. I guess they were putting rubbers on cucumbers during physics class. Don't they know if we burn all the salt water the polar bears will all die?
bfl
This piece of breaking news has hit FR about a dozen times this summer. Nobody gets a match on the exact title. The secret to Internet success is to keep the search terms to a minimum, not a maximum. You'll never find an exact match to the whole thing.
1st law of thermodynamics? So? Next thing, you guys are gonna tell me that murder is not possible because there is a law against murder 1! Go perpetual motion!
Misspelled is one of the ten most often misspelled words.
These “radio waves” are from a Rife device. Go google it.
Radio waves don’t come for free. It takes energy to separate the hydrogen and oxygen in water. You are spending more energy in the form of radio waves to split the water and get hydrogen, than the energy you will get by burning that hydrogen
THAT'S the problem. Same article can be titled differently by different papers/websites.
Always start out simple. I searched "salt water" and found several articles. Also could search "salt fuel" or "water fuel".
Simple searches are better.
Good point. For any given grant there might be a hundred applications. Out of those maybe twenty five will make the first cut. Out of those they might like to fund ten, but will ultimately have money to fund one or two. Getting grant funding, the question mark guy notwithstanding, is a dog eat dog game, and even if you get it, they have this annoying tendency to (sometimes) want results.
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