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Minneapolis City Council considers future of circus animals (A Ban On Circuses?)
Minneapolis StarTribune (aka The Red Star) ^ | 9/13/07 | Terry Collins - Staff Reporter

Posted on 09/13/2007 6:22:25 AM PDT by MplsSteve

The animal rights advocates came with a video of a stampeding circus elephant shot dead in the street. The circus animal supporters, many wearing Shriners' fezzes, argued that nobody wants to see a circus without lions, tigers and elephants.

On Wednesday, City Hall became the Big Top for a divisive, standing-room-only hearing on whether Minneapolis will ban circus shows featuring wild animals.

After two hours of tense debate that featured nationally recognized animal experts, the council's public safety and regulatory services committee moved the issue forward without a recommendation. The full council will vote on the matter next Friday.

If it adopts the ordinance, Minneapolis would join more than two dozen American cities including Stamford, Conn.; Boulder, Colo., and Albuquerque, N.M., that have banished circus animals.

"It is cruel and inhumane to cage them up and force them to do unnatural tricks under the threat of pain and punishment," said Council Member Ralph Remington, who thinks there are seven votes needed to pass the measure. "Wild animals in circuses have become as antiquated as circus sideshows.

(Excerpt) Read more at startribune.com ...


TOPICS: Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; US: Minnesota
KEYWORDS: animalcruelty; animalwhackos; circus; minneapolis; workingdogs
I have mixed feelings about this. One one hand, I do like circuses. I usually go with my g/f and her son every year.

OTOH, I love animals and have read of stories where animal abuse happens at some of these circuses.

I'd like to gauge Freeper sentiment on this issue. Comments or opinions - anyone?

1 posted on 09/13/2007 6:22:27 AM PDT by MplsSteve
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2 posted on 09/13/2007 6:23:35 AM PDT by MplsSteve
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To: MplsSteve
In the old days they were abused. In fact one was electrocuted for ALL to see in New Jersey, years ago. It had escaped and I think injured someone during the escape. It was horrible to watch. They filmed the elephant being chained and then electrocuted. THAT would NOT happen today.
3 posted on 09/13/2007 6:26:24 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God) .)
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To: MplsSteve
They could ban clowns while there at it.


4 posted on 09/13/2007 6:27:28 AM PDT by billorites (freepo ergo sum)
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To: MplsSteve

Apparently the clowns on the city counsel don’t want competition.

SPCA can handle oversight of animal treatment which while maybe not exactly “natural setting” that a free animal would prefer is not all that bad as long as the circus is making money and can afford upkeep.


5 posted on 09/13/2007 6:28:25 AM PDT by dblshot
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To: MplsSteve
And these things are good for nothing too.


6 posted on 09/13/2007 6:29:03 AM PDT by billorites (freepo ergo sum)
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To: MplsSteve

What good is my Bread without the Circus?


7 posted on 09/13/2007 6:31:06 AM PDT by SShultz460
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To: MplsSteve

I think circuses (the animal part) and zoos should go away. There’s something so sad and unnatural about them.


8 posted on 09/13/2007 6:31:48 AM PDT by Crawdad (I cried because I had no shoes, until I met a man who had no class.)
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To: MplsSteve
I have no knowledge of actual numbers, but I wouldn't be surprised if life expectancy for these animals doubles when in captivity. Living out in the wild is no day in the park. We romanticize it when we see Lions or tigers -- but think about your golden retriever. Is he happier doing unnatural tricks (like "fetch") or would he rather be munching on a raccoon during a rainstorm?
9 posted on 09/13/2007 6:33:46 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The broken wall, the burning roof and tower. And Agamemnon dead.)
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To: MplsSteve

In the end I think circuses do more good than harm. People see the tigers jumping trough fire, the seals playing with a ball, all those Mexicans piling out of the VW and they fall in love with them.


10 posted on 09/13/2007 6:34:03 AM PDT by Jaysun (It's outlandishly inappropriate to suggest that I'm wrong.)
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To: Crawdad

My stepson is a zookeeper and I could not disagree more with you. Modern zoos take care of these animals extremely well. And the part that the public sees is only a small part—not the major part—of what they do.


11 posted on 09/13/2007 6:34:27 AM PDT by twigs
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To: MplsSteve
After all, it's for the children ...


12 posted on 09/13/2007 6:38:23 AM PDT by TexGuy
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To: MplsSteve

In memory of this sweet animal ... .

CITY LORE; They Didn’t Forget

July 13, 2003, Sunday

By TOM VANDERBILT (NYT); The City Weekly Desk

Late Edition - Final, Section 14, Page 3, Column 1, 1275 words

DISPLAYING ABSTRACT - Article on 100th anniversary of execution of Topsy the elephant, witnessed by some 1,500 people at Luna Park in Coney Island; episode will be commemorated next week when monument honoring Topsy, whose electrocution by Thomas Edison’s electric company was filmed, is unveiled at Coney Island Museum; Lee Deigaard, who created monument, and Coney Island Museum proprietor Dick Zugun comment

http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F20F15F735590C708DDDAE0894DB404482&n=Top%2fReference%2fTimes%20Topics%2fPeople%2fE%2fEdison%2c%20Thomas%20A%2e

The poor thing was abused.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Topsy_the_Elephant

I was watching a documentary of sorts and saw the video ... it was soo sad. I would doubt anyone could get away with this today.


13 posted on 09/13/2007 6:55:08 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God) .)
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To: nmh
The poor thing was abused.

It was part of Edison's war against George Westinghouse and alternating current. He tried to stigmatize AC as much more dangerous than DC, and zapping an elephant on film was just another business move to him. The first electric chair was another part of this same campaign.

14 posted on 09/13/2007 7:23:40 AM PDT by thulldud (Millete adi politikacilar gibi yalanci vaadlerde bulunmaktan nefret ederiz. -- (Ataturk))
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I didn’t know that.

I only know the poor animal was repeatedly abused and finally turned on people. It’s normal for people to turn on others after being abused. It was so sad and shocking to see that video on the documentary and people CHEERING. Just awful.


15 posted on 09/13/2007 7:36:52 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God) .)
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To: thulldud

I didn’t know that.

I only know the poor animal was repeatedly abused and finally turned on people. It’s normal for people to turn on others after being abused. It was so sad and shocking to see that video on the documentary and people CHEERING. Just awful.


16 posted on 09/13/2007 7:37:01 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God) .)
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To: Crawdad

Right. They should be sent back to Africa so they can be killed and have their ivory, teeth, or skins harvested.


17 posted on 09/13/2007 8:02:13 AM PDT by tdscpa
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Remarkable! The city is being destroyed from within by Somali Muslims and they worry about circus animals.


18 posted on 09/13/2007 8:28:52 AM PDT by Godwin1
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To: Godwin1

“It is cruel and inhumane to cage them up and force them to do unnatural tricks under the threat of pain and punishment,” said Council Member Ralph Remington”

Has this pol ever worked in a circus with animals?

No circus is willing to risk harm/injury to its animals who are the money making assets of the circus. As a rule they are very well taken care of by their handlers.

Is it dissimilar to having a pet? A dog who fetches for it’s owner for example?


19 posted on 09/13/2007 10:20:41 AM PDT by crazyshrink
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To: MplsSteve

May I also suggest contacting a circus or zoo animal keeper. I fully expect they would be happy to talk to you and others about their animal welfare practices.


20 posted on 09/13/2007 10:23:55 AM PDT by crazyshrink
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To: MplsSteve

I would say we could simply go to the old Met Center to watch the circus animals so we could avoid the MinneaCCCPoplis ordinances, but the old Met Center is now an Ikea.


21 posted on 09/13/2007 10:27:21 AM PDT by TypeZoNegative (Trinidad&Tobago: Proof that a Muslim minority (5%pop) causes a majority of a country's problems.)
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To: Crawdad

I agree...zoo’s ought to be eliminated as a wasteful amount of money and effort. Why force a polar bear to survive in Atlanta in the summer? Why force Elephants to survive in New York City in the winter? They should all be shut down and the property handed over for homeless shelters.


22 posted on 09/13/2007 10:37:48 AM PDT by pepsionice
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To: MplsSteve

I got ‘behind the scenes’ at a circus in Rochester a couple of years ago. I saw quite the contrary to abuse.


23 posted on 09/13/2007 11:08:35 AM PDT by Pusterfuss (Proud member: Minnesotans for Global Warming)
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