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Where lynching is the order of the day (Vigilantism is BAD).
BBC ^ | Thursday, September 13, 2007. | Amarnath Tewary

Posted on 09/13/2007 8:26:58 AM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu

A man who survived the lynching at Vaishali district, Bihar, being taken to the hospital [Pic: Prashant Ravi]

Vigilante justice has become common in Bihar Pics: Prashant Ravi

Vigilante justice appears to have become the order of the day in the lawless northern Indian state of Bihar.

The latest incident in which 10 men suspected to be thieves were lynched by a group of villagers in Vaishali district on Thursday underscored the people's frustration with the police.

The villagers said that they were fed up with rising theft for the last two months in spite of informing the police regularly.

"But when the police did not take any action we started patrolling our village ourselves to catch the thieves. Today we succeeded in catching them and did justice then and there," said a villager who preferred to remain unnamed.

Losing faith

The villagers of Vaishali are not the only ones to dish out vigilante justice to suspected thieves and burglars in Bihar.

Two weeks ago, in bustling Bhagalpur town, a mob nearly beat to death a man who was accused of snatching a gold chain from a woman.

What was more shocking was the fact that the incident took place in the presence of two policemen who were filmed by a local news channel dragging the man on their motorcycle.

On 9 September alone, there were three particularly horrific cases of public lynchings and beatings.

First, three suspected motorcycle thieves were caught by villagers in Nawada district and brutally beaten up with sticks, stones and metal rods.

The enraged mob even gouged out an eye of one of the suspects, Tinku Singh, with a pointed iron tool. The three men were taken to hospital.

Then, two men caught stealing material at a thermal power station in Begusarai district were beaten up by locals in the presence of policemen.

Bihar policemen
Police are accused of thinking themselves above the rule of law

They were later shot dead by unknown persons - and the locals said the police had fired on them. The police deny killing the men.

And in Nawada district, two children, aged 13 and 12 years, were beaten up by locals and paraded with their heads shaved for allegedly stealing salt and detergents from a local grocery where they were employed.

Such mob anger is not restricted to the villages alone.

Crime wave

Some six months ago, people in the Sultanganj area in the state capital, Patna, lynched a suspected criminal in full public view.

Earlier, three alleged criminals were nearly beaten to death in the posh Rajendra Nagar of the capital. The police arrived and allegedly shot them dead in front of a cheering mob.

Bihar has been India's most lawless state for many years now, and a change in government two years ago doesn't seem to have improved matters much.

Have the people lost their faith in the police completely to indulge in such wanton acts of vigilante justice?

"No, it means that under the present regime, people have become more confident and daring. They do not fear the criminals now," state home secretary Afzal Amanullah says.

Social scientist Shaibal Gupta does not agree.

"This only reveals the state of Bihar. People think justice will not be delivered. So they resort to instant justice by lynching the culprit," he says.

It is true that there has been no let-up in the public complaints against police inaction in the state.

Last Monday, at his weekly meeting with members of the public, Chief Minister Nitish Kumar received some 1,600 complaints against police officials.

Protests against kidnapping in Bihar
Over 2,000 people have been abducted this year

"There is still a lot to do to reform the police. They are not pro-people," admitted Mr Kumar.

Even after his government tried to restore sagging public confidence in the police with a range of new measures - speedy trials, giving police a free hand to conduct investigations and appointing new officers in many districts - crime remains stubbornly high.

For example, a total of 4,849 cases of kidnappings were registered in the state between July 2006 and June 2007, according to a report presented in the local high court recently.

More than 2,000 people were abducted in the state in the first half of this year.

"The new regime seems to have failed to stem the crime wave," says businessman Ashish Kumar.

Bihar opposition leader Shyam Rajak says people have "no option, but to lynch criminals" when crime is so high.

It would seem that Bihar needs to tackle crime on a war footing to restore the people's confidence in the police and the criminal justice system.





TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: asia; bihar; india; sasia; southasia; vigilante; vigilantes; vigilantism
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1 posted on 09/13/2007 8:27:01 AM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu
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To: Sidebar Moderator

The title of this article, at the time of posting, on the BBC website: “Where lynching is the order of the day” .


2 posted on 09/13/2007 8:29:08 AM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: Constitutionalist Conservative; Gator113; Zhang Fei; DanielLongo; Tamar1973; Dr. Marten; brf1; ...

Asia pinglist ping.


3 posted on 09/13/2007 8:29:45 AM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

Its bad? Doesn’t that depend on which side the noose your neck is on as to if it is ‘good’ or ‘bad’?


4 posted on 09/13/2007 8:29:53 AM PDT by Pikachu_Dad
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

I thought it might be about Gaza / West Bank where suspected palis suspected of collaboration with Israeli are lynched.


5 posted on 09/13/2007 8:32:01 AM PDT by Ready4Freddy ("Everyone knows there's a difference between Muslims and terrorists. No one knows what it is, tho...)
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To: Pikachu_Dad
A few freepers seem to believe that vigilantism is a good thing.

Justice is something for the government to mete out, not an angry mob.

If the government is not doing its job, India has a representative form of government, and they can vote in a more responsible government.

6 posted on 09/13/2007 8:32:24 AM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: Ready4Freddy
where suspected palis suspected of collaboration
7 posted on 09/13/2007 8:32:52 AM PDT by Ready4Freddy ("Everyone knows there's a difference between Muslims and terrorists. No one knows what it is, tho...)
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To: Ready4Freddy

In retrospect, something specifying India should have also gone in the parentheses in the title.


8 posted on 09/13/2007 8:33:20 AM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

It’s good to live in the United States, where if you’re accused you at least have a chance at a fair trial.


9 posted on 09/13/2007 8:34:01 AM PDT by scan59 (Let consumers dictate market policies. Government just gets in the way.)
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To: scan59

Bump to that.


10 posted on 09/13/2007 8:36:38 AM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

According to an Indian friend of mine, Bihar is the Indian equivalent of West Virginia.


11 posted on 09/13/2007 8:41:39 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu
I do not necessarily believe that vigilantism is a good thing but I do conclude from a cold study of history that it can be an inevitable thing. A society wherein citizens are bound by laws that are flouted by the lawless will either find a way to enforce them or dissolve. This is not specific to any one culture - this instance is Indian but such things have happened recently on every continent.

In every case without exception vigilantism is an expression of the failure of an inadequate or corrupt government and ineffective or nonexistent law enforcement. Blame these, not the citizens. If the law is "in their own hands" it is because it was put there.

12 posted on 09/13/2007 8:44:22 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

No doubt true in the abstract. But when the thieves and killers are right outside your door the view tends, I believe, to take on a certain urgency and the next election cycle becomes far less important than simply ensuring you and your family can live unmolested.

The main problem with vigilante justice is that sometimes it is not just at all. The wrong fellow is strung up or a member or members of the vigilance group takes advantage of the situation to exact revenge on an enemy who committed no crime. Governments make the same mistakes and commit the same crimes but we entertain the hope that the process has enough oversight and accountability built in to keep such miscarriages to a minimum. But it should be pointed out that not all governments are equally rigorous in keeping the system upright.

If I lived in a country where police and courts are arbitrary, corrupt and generally unreliable I think I might be very much tempted to take matters into my own hands. And if others shared my concerns I would join with them. I would try and make things as just as possible and in some places that would be an improvement over the “justice” meted out by corrupt police, judges and government officials.

If I read history correctly societies will normally adhere to the rule of law IF the rule of law exists at all. Generally it seems that vigilantes crop up where government fails or is virtually non-existent. In those cases to appeal to the government is a waste of time and maybe even dangerous.


13 posted on 09/13/2007 8:45:34 AM PDT by scory
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To: Billthedrill

Agreed.


14 posted on 09/13/2007 8:48:18 AM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: scan59; Jedi Master Pikachu; Blood of Tyrants

The same rights also exist in India-but the legal process is agonisingly slow & conviction rates are abysmal(15%).Combine this with the fact that Bihar is about 25 years behind the rest of India on almost all indicators makes mob justice seem attractive.


15 posted on 09/13/2007 8:48:24 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu
A few freepers seem to believe that vigilantism is a good thing.

It's all in the definition. If vigilantism is a mindless angry lynch mob, as Hollywood defines it, then it is bad. If vigilantism is committees of citizens deliberatively bringing law and order and safety to an area without law and order and safety, as in many instances of American history, then it is good.

16 posted on 09/13/2007 8:50:39 AM PDT by Poincare
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To: scory; Billthedrill
There could be times when vigilantism is inevitable, as Bill the Drill put it--will grant you that. Though even if such is the case, it would be good if the town/society with the ineffective government were akin to the pilgrims who landed near Plymouth Rock and make some sort of Mayflower Compact of how they would investigate and punish crimes; sort of a de facto mini-government that would be effective.
17 posted on 09/13/2007 8:52:40 AM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: scan59

Vigilantes was the name of the vigilantes in California.


18 posted on 09/13/2007 8:52:43 AM PDT by RightWhale (Stop Change while it is perfect.)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu
Yeah, the whole evidence and trial thing is overrated. Just get a mob together and start the beatings!

(Too many FReepers seem to believe that setup would be "justice")

19 posted on 09/13/2007 8:55:15 AM PDT by TChris (Has anyone under Mitt Romney's leadership ever been worse off because he is Mormon?)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu
Justice is something for the government to mete out, not an angry mob.

I see vigilantism as a last resort, and I suspect these people do, too. When it gets to this point, the "justice" angle is secondary to the "deterrence" factor.

If the government is not doing its job, India has a representative form of government, and they can vote in a more responsible government.

Right. In the meantime, people still have every right -- and in many case, an OBLIGATION -- to protect their lives an property as they see fit.

20 posted on 09/13/2007 9:02:11 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (I'm out on the outskirts of nowhere . . . with ghosts on my trail, chasing me there.)
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