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SEN. CLINTON'S SLUR : Moveon.org NY Times Anti-Military Ad Charged Less Than Half Usual Price
New York Post ^ | 09/13/2007 | NY Post Editorial

Posted on 09/13/2007 9:34:20 AM PDT by SirLinksalot

Sen. Hillary Clinton yesterday found herself positioned firmly to the left of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi regarding that disgusting New York Times/MoveOn "General Betray Us" attack on Gen. David Petraeus' integrity.

That's not an enviable position for a woman who's trying to convince the American people that she's fit to be president of the United States.

Further complicating her life was the position former Mayor Rudy Giuliani took yesterday on the general, the importance of victory in Iraq and . . . the truth. You couldn't ask for a more stark contrast at this stage in a possible Giuliani-Clinton presidential face-off.

At issue was the MoveOn ad, published in Monday's Times, attacking Petraeus' honor as a man and as a soldier.

How disgusting was it?

Even Pelosi, one of the most left-wing speakers ever, said she'd have "preferred that they won't do such an ad."

But Clinton not only couldn't bring herself to criticize it, she also attacked Petraeus' honesty: "The reports that you provide to us really require the willing suspension of disbelief," she huffed to the general Tuesday.

And she slammed him (and Ambassador Ryan Crocker) as "de facto spokesmen for a failed policy," pointedly refusing to criticize the ad - which called him an outright liar who'd "betray" his nation.

Giuliani, by contrast, had it exactly right.

He called the MoveOn ad "one of the more disgusting things that has happened in American politics."

Added America's Mayor: "The failure of the Democratic candidates to really condemn that, given how much money MoveOn.org spends on behalf of Democratic candidates, is unfortunate."

(Excerpt) Read more at nypost.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008; ads; clinton; democrats; hillary; liberaldiscount; moveon; moveonorg; newyorktimes; nyt; patraeus; petraeus; petraeusreport
Meanwhile, the Times' own complicity in the despicable slur turns out to be even worse than imagined: Not only did the newspaper agree to run the libel, it apparently subsidized the hard-left sewer rats who wrote it.

To the tune of more than $116,000.

MoveOn yesterday confirmed that it paid just $65,000 for the full-page missive - compared to what a Times spokesman said is usually $181,000 for such ads.

READ THE REST OF THE EDITORIAL

1 posted on 09/13/2007 9:34:24 AM PDT by SirLinksalot
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To: SirLinksalot

Golly, I’ll bet you wrote that headline yourself. BTW, it’s confusing.


2 posted on 09/13/2007 9:36:29 AM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: SirLinksalot

It is what you know... but WHO you know. Moveon is a hate group that the left is proud to have supporting each Dim Presidential Front runners......

don’t forget these type of things when you go to voting booth.


3 posted on 09/13/2007 9:38:25 AM PDT by JFC
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To: SirLinksalot
willing suspension of disbelief

Uh, wouldn't the 'willing suspension of DISbelief' mean that I am willing to believe whatever you say?

4 posted on 09/13/2007 9:38:50 AM PDT by Hazcat (We won an immigration BATTLE, the WAR is not over. Be ever vigilant.)
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To: SirLinksalot
From Mayor Ed Koch:

"...In my opinion, the Democratic candidates declined to denounce MoveOn because they fear themselves becoming the victims of a similar onslaught from the radical left. This is a cowardly position, which I hope they will rethink. It takes more than intelligence to be a good or great president. It takes integrity and courage, as well."

DEMOCRATS SHOULD CONDEMN MOVEON
5 posted on 09/13/2007 9:39:59 AM PDT by Miss Didi ("Good heavens, woman, this is a war not a garden party!" Dr. Meade, Gone with the Wind)
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To: ozzymandus
Golly, I’ll bet you wrote that headline yourself. BTW, it’s confusing.

The Clinton Slur headline was the NY POST Headline. I appended the NY Times subsidiy information because IT IS NOTEWORTHY.
6 posted on 09/13/2007 9:42:11 AM PDT by SirLinksalot
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To: JFC
Dims are not anti-war.

They are pro terrorist.

7 posted on 09/13/2007 9:43:40 AM PDT by roses of sharon
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To: Hazcat

Yes.


8 posted on 09/13/2007 9:43:53 AM PDT by pgyanke (Duncan Hunter 08--You want to elect a conservative? Then support a conservative!)
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To: SirLinksalot

I wonder why they would want or even need to subsidize it - has Soros’ money dried up or something?

It’s pretty funny how that ad hasn’t accomplished its intended goal, but rather has further split the democrats - many of whom realize that it was the wrong thing to do.

I say, keep it up, Moveon, and show the country exactly what YOUR democrats are made of! The more grotesque it becomes, the faster the sane folks will run from you, and I truly believe there are some sane Dems asking where their party is being taken. Over a cliff, if they follow Moveon.


9 posted on 09/13/2007 9:46:03 AM PDT by SusaninOhio
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To: Hazcat

You’re right on— kinda like the use of double negatives- so popular in ebonics- it has the opposite intended meaning-


10 posted on 09/13/2007 9:46:14 AM PDT by midnightson (Mama-the ultimate prognosticator- said there'd be days like this.)
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To: JFC
Moveon is a hate group that the left is proud to have supporting each Dim Presidential Front runners......

Actually, I found the fact that the New York Times would charge LESS THAN HALF the price for an ad that size to Moveon.org EVEN MORE NEWSWORTHY.

The Times should not even pretend to be an objective newspaper anymore. I bet they'd charge FULL PRICE if an organization supporting the troops wanted to have a half-page ad placed on their paper.

And you "wonder" why the Times supports McCain-Feingold... of course they do. In the last months of an election, they would have a virtual monopoly of their editorializing in the media.
11 posted on 09/13/2007 9:46:32 AM PDT by SirLinksalot
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To: SirLinksalot
Giuliani, by contrast, had it exactly right. He called the MoveOn ad "one of the more disgusting things that has happened in American politics."

There are more disgusting things. The leftwing mayor running for president as a conservative or even a Republican comes to mind.
12 posted on 09/13/2007 9:49:01 AM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: Hazcat
Uh, wouldn't the 'willing suspension of DISbelief' mean that I am willing to believe whatever you say?

She was mangling the phrase "willful suspension of disbelief".
13 posted on 09/13/2007 9:50:28 AM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: Temple Owl

ping


14 posted on 09/13/2007 9:56:14 AM PDT by Tribune7 (Michael Moore bought Haliburton)
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To: SirLinksalot
The Times should not even pretend to be an objective newspaper anymore.

They don't ... the NY Slimes went over to the dark side
in the early Clinton years, some 15 years ago.

15 posted on 09/13/2007 9:56:35 AM PDT by BluH2o
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To: George W. Bush

The smartest woman in the world makes a lot of mistakes.


16 posted on 09/13/2007 9:57:00 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The broken wall, the burning roof and tower. And Agamemnon dead.)
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To: SirLinksalot

“Moveon.org NY Times Anti-Military Ad Charged Less Than Half Usual Price”

This got discussed on Fox News this morning.
I bet this is some “free advertizing” the NY Times doesn’t want.

Especially if some liberal groups learn they didn’t get the same
discount from the NY Times.
Or as big of a discount!


17 posted on 09/13/2007 9:58:25 AM PDT by VOA
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To: Hazcat

Yeah thats true she should have said belief... not disbelief...

If you are a Democrat and the Subject is Iraq you are alreadying willingly suspending belief because to you your mind is made up and America lost the day after it went in but only because the CINC is George W. Bush... If the CINC was a Libeal you can bet by now the left would have had that one engraved on Rushmore...


18 posted on 09/13/2007 9:59:43 AM PDT by tomnbeverly (“Show me just what Obama brought that was new, and there you will find only evil and Hillary.")
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To: SirLinksalot
Hillary has been on a roll the last few days as far as saying stupid things goes. She was at a pro illegal alien rally saying Jesus Christ would have been an "illegal immigrant" if he were alive today. (except she said it in Spanish through a translator)

What a brainless twat.

19 posted on 09/13/2007 10:01:19 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: SirLinksalot
“You couldn’t ask for a more stark contrast at this stage in a possible Giuliani-Clinton presidential face-off.”

If Rooty disagrees with her on one single issue now he will make amends and come around to her point of view soon.

20 posted on 09/13/2007 10:05:25 AM PDT by Beagle8U (FreeRepublic -- One stop shopping ....... Its the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: midnightson; pgyanke

And this is from the ‘smartest woman in the world”!


21 posted on 09/13/2007 10:08:55 AM PDT by Hazcat (We won an immigration BATTLE, the WAR is not over. Be ever vigilant.)
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To: SirLinksalot

I find the Democrats cowardice to be amazing. The are too cowardly to even stand up to the fringe groups in their own party. How could we expect them to have the honor and courage required to fight a war?


22 posted on 09/13/2007 10:09:12 AM PDT by nonliberalyouth
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To: Nathan Zachary
Hillary has been on a roll the last few days as far as saying stupid things goes. She was at a pro illegal alien rally saying Jesus Christ would have been an "illegal immigrant" if he were alive today. (except she said it in Spanish through a translator) What a brainless twat.

She is as dumb as a box of rocks, and thankfully this will become more apparent to all as she speaks to the public unfiltered by softball interviewers and re-takes.

23 posted on 09/13/2007 10:12:05 AM PDT by US at Risk
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To: BluH2o
"They don't ... the NY Slimes went over to the dark side in the early Clinton years, some 15 years ago."

They were on the dark side long,long before that.

24 posted on 09/13/2007 10:12:23 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: SirLinksalot
The ad and Hillary's basically calling the General a liar sent the message that Petraeus might as well retire if she is elected, and that military people who are or became aligned behind Petraeus would have no future if she is elected.

Was Hillary's statement at the hearing actually an attempt to intimidate our higher levels of military leadership and thus cripple Iraq War military leadership? Basically sending out a message that, if she is elected, military leaders supporting Petraeus will be punished and those "actively" opposing him (ex. the Centcom commander)will be rewarded.

25 posted on 09/13/2007 10:24:22 AM PDT by LZ_Bayonet (There's Always Something.............And there's always something worse!)
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26 posted on 09/13/2007 10:24:37 AM PDT by Califreak (Go Hunter!)
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To: SirLinksalot

Think of this for a moment: OK, just for the sake of discussion, say Mrs. Clinton wins The White House in 2008, now what is she going to say in her Memorial Day address at Arlington National Cemetery that won’t be insulting to America’s fighting men and women?

One heckuva commander-in-chief. God help us.


27 posted on 09/13/2007 10:26:10 AM PDT by RexBeach ("Americans never quit." Douglas MacArthur)
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To: SirLinksalot

Obviously a political bias at the Times but I wonder if the deal they made also reflects their worsening revenue picture.


28 posted on 09/13/2007 10:34:22 AM PDT by misterrob (One down, 18 more til the Pats win the SB again.)
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To: RexBeach

Think of this: Put her in the CIC seat right now,the General reports to her “things are going good” and she replies “You’re lying!”


29 posted on 09/13/2007 10:58:50 AM PDT by Minnesoootan
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To: Minnesoootan

HA Yeah, then she further proceeds to tell him he’s fighting the wrong war....

SEMPER FI and GOD BLESS OUR TROOPS


30 posted on 09/13/2007 11:02:16 AM PDT by NEMDF
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To: midnightson; Hazcat

“Willing suspension of disbelief” is what you do when you watch a movie or read a book. It means allowing yourself to pretend to believe in what you know is a fantasy. It’s a pretty standard phrase, not ebonic at all.

What Hillary meant was that she’d have to use that technique in order to believe Petraeus’s ‘fantasy’ or ‘lie.’ Rather ironic, considering the source.

BTW, doesn’t PETRAEUS mean “The Rock”? If so, how apt!


31 posted on 09/13/2007 11:02:47 AM PDT by Shazolene
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To: SirLinksalot

Petraeus should be able to sue them (bowelmovement.org) and the times for libel or slander. He isn’t a public figure per se. He is an employee of the US gov’t.


32 posted on 09/13/2007 11:13:43 AM PDT by Always Independent
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To: Minnesoootan

I really pray that America is smarter than to elect someone totally unelectable. One thing I can’t really believe America is ready for is “the first lady” being a Man, and that man in particular, being philanderer and rapist, Bill Clinton.


33 posted on 09/13/2007 11:20:10 AM PDT by princess leah
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To: tomnbeverly
Yeah thats true she should have said belief... not disbelief...

Negative. It's a common term among PC gamers and has roots that go WAY back.......she was just trying to dazzle people with her brilliance. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suspension_of_disbelief

34 posted on 09/13/2007 11:22:39 AM PDT by ScreamingFist (Annihilation - The result of underestimating your enemies. NRA)
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To: ScreamingFist

Wow that was enlightening... So she really did mean to call General Patreaus a LIAR flat out...

In other words General to believe what you are saying would mean that we must forgo what we (Democrats) KNOW is truth, meaning that the War is lost, there is no solution other then complete withdraw for which we want to blame Bush. But as he refuses to budge on this then when I become President I may have to make a real decision and in doing so may be held accountable for that decision by history... i.e., like how my husband will be regarded as a philanderer who’s indescretion’s by receiving a BJ while on duty and then lying about it to America during an investigation allowed him to take his mind off the ball and allowed an Islamic Terror group to plan an attack on America that killed nearly 3000 citizens.... to believe otherwise I must be expected to willingly suspend disbelief.

I get it now


35 posted on 09/13/2007 11:44:48 AM PDT by tomnbeverly (“Show me just what Obama brought that was new, and there you will find only evil and Hillary.")
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To: SirLinksalot
I think I just heard on Fox that Rudy wants to run an ad at the NYT too and wants the MoveOn discount too.

I think we have a predicament.

36 posted on 09/13/2007 11:47:26 AM PDT by toddlintown (Five bullets and Lennon goes down. Yet not one hit Yoko. Discuss.)
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To: toddlintown
I think we have a predicament.

I think NY TIMES has the following options :

1) Charge Rudy the same rate they charged Moveon and from then on, charge every other candidate the same Moveon rate;

2) Charge Rudy the normal (higher) rate and ask Moveon to pay them back the difference between the normal rate and the deeply discounted rate they charged them.

3) Own up and publicly state that any organization that meets the Times' political approval ALWAYS gets the discounted rate (conservative groups/candidates of course always gets charged the normal rate ).

4) Refuse to comment and let the matter die.

Guess which option they'll take.
37 posted on 09/13/2007 11:55:20 AM PDT by SirLinksalot
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To: Shazolene

“willing suspension of disbelief”

I didn’t know nothing about that being a ‘standard’ phrase’- thanks for the head’s up!


38 posted on 09/13/2007 5:25:09 PM PDT by midnightson (Mama-the ultimate prognosticator- said there'd be days like this.)
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