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Tougher gun laws needed outside NJ
northjersey.com ^ | September 13, 2007 | CAROLYN SALAZAR

Posted on 09/13/2007 10:23:58 PM PDT by Coleus

 
 Three of every four guns recovered from crime scenes in New Jersey last year were purchased from surrounding states with looser gun laws, according to a recent study by the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.

Surrounding states must strength their gun laws to match New Jersey’s if violent crime in the Garden State is going to be reduced, a group of county prosecutors said Thursday. To drive home their point, prosecutors from several counties stood with members of an anti-gun violence coalition next to the Phillipsburg Free Bridge on the Delaware River, across from Easton, Pa. “The majority of states outside of New Jersey don’t have the type of restrictions we have,” said Bergen County Prosecutor John L. Molinelli, who participated in the news conference. “It’s startling how many violent crimes are committed [with] guns that people bought outside the state.”

Three of every four guns recovered from crime scenes in New Jersey last year were purchased from surrounding states with looser gun laws, according to a recent study by the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives. Of those, the vast majority were bought in Pennsylvania, the bureau reported. Second on the list was Virginia, followed by Florida. Using that data, members of Ceasefire NJ hope to put pressure on state officials in those states to toughen their gun laws.

“You can’t achieve change unless the public becomes aware of the problem,” said Bryan Miller, the group’s executive director. “This was our opportunity to make people who live on both sides of the Delaware River aware of what’s going on.” “That is something that we have to stop,” he said. In Bergen County, close to 80 percent of firearms confiscated by police were purchased outside the state, including the one used in the murder of Fair Lawn Police Officer Mary Ann Collura in April 2003. Collura, 43, was helping a Clifton police officer chase an armed suspect when the gunman shot and killed her on the lawn of a Fair Lawn church. He was killed in a shootout with police several days later near Tampa, Fla.

Gun buyers in New Jersey must first obtain either a handgun permit or firearms identification card and must as provide references from two “reputable” citizens. Unlike in most other states, the police chief from the buyer’s town of residence must approve the application, which includes a background check and mental health examination. The process includes a two-week waiting period. Laws in Pennsylvania and some other states require much less paperwork and allow buyers to purchase guns within minutes.

New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg began targeting gun shops in Pennsylvania last year by suing stores that sold guns used in crimes. Two shops were dropped from the suit after agreeing to have their employees trained to avoid so-called straw purchases, in which a purported buyer fills out the paperwork for a gun being bought by a friend or relative — often a felon who is legally barred from doing so. Molinelli joined Union County Prosecutor Theodore J. Romankow, president of the County Prosecutors Association of New Jersey, as well as prosecutors and assistants from Hudson, Warren, Essex, Sussex, Mercer and Monmouth counties at Thursday’s Ceasefire NJ news conference. They displayed some high-powered weaponry seized in New Jersey that was bought out of state.



TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Government; US: New Jersey; US: New York; US: Pennsylvania
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1 posted on 09/13/2007 10:24:00 PM PDT by Coleus
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To: Coleus

Glad I left NJ.


2 posted on 09/13/2007 10:29:57 PM PDT by tdewey10 (Can we please take out iran's nuclear capability before they start using it?)
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To: Coleus
See, it's everyone else's fault. It's all those terrible States around us. We're just poor little victims of their evil, vicious cultures and lack of laws.

See we gots laws. Lotsa laws! Laws for dis, laws for dat...but nobody is followin' dem, cuz of all dose evil, terrible people in all dose udder states...yeah, Vinny, dat's it... we isn't guilty, dey did it to us...dey made us criminals! It's not our fault we robs and rapes...it's deirs!

If only theyda been nicer to us when we wuz young...all deir fault!

Now hands up mister and hand over dat wallet...you owes us!

3 posted on 09/13/2007 10:35:01 PM PDT by Regulator (Jersey Shore Rap Redux)
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To: Coleus
“It’s startling how many violent crimes are committed [with] guns that people criminals bought outside the state obtained illegally.”

There, fixed it

4 posted on 09/13/2007 10:39:58 PM PDT by tx_eggman (ManBearPig '08)
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To: Coleus
The liberal mind:

State passes tough gun control laws and gun crime declines, it's proof anti-gun laws work.

State passes tough gun control laws and gun crime stays about the same or even increases, it's the states that don't have tough gun control laws fault!

Genius!

5 posted on 09/13/2007 10:42:32 PM PDT by NapkinUser (Tom Tancredo or Ron Paul in 2008!)
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To: Coleus

Jersey, gravity draws sewage downhill.

Blameshifting rascals!


6 posted on 09/13/2007 10:48:13 PM PDT by The Spirit Of Allegiance (Public Employees: Honor Your Oaths! Defend the Constitution from Enemies--Foreign and Domestic!)
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To: The Spirit Of Allegiance

Borrowed from another Freeper with apologies for forgetting his handle:

Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not.” ~ Thomas Jefferson
(This is why Ted Kennedy, Nancy Pelosi and Hillary Clinton want gun control so badly!)
FIREARMS REFRESHER COURSE
1. An armed man is a citizen. An unarmed man is a subject.
2. A gun in the hand is better than a cop on the phone.
3. Colt: The original point and click interface.
4. Gun control is not about guns; it’s about control.
5. If guns are outlawed, can we use swords?
6. If guns cause crime, then pencils cause misspelled words.
7. Free men do not ask permission to bear arms.
8. If you don’t know your rights, you don’t have any.
9. Those who trade liberty for security have neither.
10. The United States Constitution (c)1791. All Rights Reserved.
11. What part of “shall not be infringed” do you not understand?
12. The Second Amendment is in place in case the politicians ignore the others.
13. 64,999,987 firearms owners killed no one yesterday.
14. Guns only have two enemies; rust and politicians.
15. Know guns, know peace, know safety. No guns, no peace, no safety.
16. You don’t shoot to kill; you shoot to stay alive.
17. 911: Government sponsored Dial-a-Prayer.
18. Assault is a behavior, not a device.
19. Criminals love gun control; it makes their jobs safer.
20. If guns cause crime then matches cause arson.
21. Only a government that is afraid of its citizens tries to control them.
22. You have only the rights you are willing to fight for.
23. Enforce the gun control laws we ALREADY have; don’t make more.
24. When you remove the people’s right to bear arms, you create slaves.
25. The American Revolution would never have happened with gun control.


7 posted on 09/13/2007 11:14:01 PM PDT by crazyshrink
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To: Coleus

If they want to get rid of crime, you have to get rid of the criminals by arresting them and putting them in jail. I really think my crazy plan will work.


8 posted on 09/14/2007 1:47:30 AM PDT by BRK
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To: Toadman

bookmark


9 posted on 09/14/2007 3:25:50 AM PDT by Toadman ((molon labe))
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To: Coleus

Why don’t they just make crime illegal? Won’t that solve the problem?


10 posted on 09/14/2007 3:46:21 AM PDT by Fresh Wind
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To: Coleus

Typical liberals. Coddling the criminals and cracking down on legal businesses.


11 posted on 09/14/2007 3:50:41 AM PDT by ought-six ("Give me liberty, or give me death!")
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To: crazyshrink
Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not.” ~ Thomas Jefferson

25. The American Revolution would never have happened with gun control.

Our masters don't want a repeat of the repeal of tyranny. Soviet Russia fell, and the socialist Stalin wannabes in Washington are aware that corrupt tyrannies can't necessarily survive.

14. Guns only have two enemies; rust and politicians.

and police

12 posted on 09/14/2007 3:58:27 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government, Benito Guilinni a short man in search of a balcony)
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To: BRK; crazyshrink; Joe Brower
If they want to get rid of crime, you have to get rid of the criminals by arresting them and putting them in jail. I really think my crazy plan will work.

It's only crazy because more Democrat jobs are created by keeping criminals alive and at large--than by the executions required by those ancient stone tablets.

C/S - great list in 7
13 posted on 09/14/2007 5:55:16 AM PDT by The Spirit Of Allegiance (Public Employees: Honor Your Oaths! Defend the Constitution from Enemies--Foreign and Domestic!)
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To: Coleus

I truly despise that state.


14 posted on 09/14/2007 5:58:17 AM PDT by stevio ((NRA))
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To: Coleus

What percentage of those were stolen? Maybe it’s not so much that they were purchased out-of-state, as it is other states allow upstanding citizens to own them without hassle - making a larger pool to steal from.


15 posted on 09/14/2007 6:02:14 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (The color blue tastes like the square root of 0?)
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To: Coleus

btt


16 posted on 09/14/2007 7:22:55 AM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: Coleus
In Bergen County, close to 80 percent of firearms confiscated by police were purchased outside the state, including the one used in the murder of Fair Lawn Police Officer Mary Ann Collura in April 2003.

My father is a retired police officer from that area and attended this brave woman's funeral. The fact that they would use this tragedy to advance their cause nauseates me. I'll be switching from The Record to the Star Ledger. The Record's Jets coverage sucks this year anyway.

17 posted on 09/14/2007 7:50:06 AM PDT by jmc813 (I want candy.)
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To: Coleus

I have not figured out why someone who has been arrested for carry a weapon in the last 10-20 years ( and I know someone out there has ) has not filed suit to protect their 2d amendment rights and had that challenge reach SCOTUS.


18 posted on 09/14/2007 9:13:40 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: Coleus
Gotta fix this one:

Tougher Restored gun laws rights needed outinside NJ

Done.

19 posted on 09/14/2007 1:51:34 PM PDT by NewJerseyJoe (Rat mantra: "Facts are meaningless! You can use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!")
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To: jmc813
> I'll be switching from The Record to the Star Ledger.

You'll be disappointed -- the Star-Ledger is merely The Record with a better wardrobe.

20 posted on 09/14/2007 1:53:11 PM PDT by NewJerseyJoe (Rat mantra: "Facts are meaningless! You can use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!")
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To: Coleus

Do they have the death penalty in NJ?


21 posted on 09/14/2007 1:54:56 PM PDT by NRA2BFree (It*s time for "Tea Party II" This time we*ll meet at the border and toss Mexicans back over it.)
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To: tdewey10

Glad I left Jersey AND PA.


22 posted on 09/14/2007 4:31:27 PM PDT by gunner03 (just another grunt)
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To: neverdem; Tolerance Sucks Rocks

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23 posted on 09/14/2007 6:30:41 PM PDT by Coleus (Pro Deo et Patria)
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To: Coleus

Screw you, Joisey. Go get Tony Soprano’s guns.


24 posted on 09/14/2007 6:33:32 PM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: Coleus
Surrounding states must strength their gun laws to match New Jersey’s if violent crime in the Garden State is going to be reduced, a group of county prosecutors said Thursday

How about New Jersey conform its gun laws to the Constitution and start arresting real criminals, robbers, rapists, burglars, and so forth, and then KEEP THEM IN JAIL for their full sentence? That might require jailing half of Newark at this point but so be it.

Even though the NJ Constitution does not explicitly protect the RKBA, it does contain the following clauses:

1. All persons are by nature free and independent, and have certain natural and unalienable rights, among which are those of enjoying and defending life and liberty, of acquiring, possessing, and protecting property, and of pursuing and obtaining safety and happiness. ...

5. No person shall be denied the enjoyment of any civil or military right, nor be discriminated against in the exercise of any civil or military right, nor be segregated in the militia or in the public schools, because of religious principles, race, color, ancestry or national origin.

21. This enumeration of rights and privileges shall not be construed to impair or deny others retained by the people.

. Thus under the NJ Constitution, there is a "Right to protect property, and "military rights". Which would seem imply a right to be armed. Plus section 21 would also protect the preexisting "right of people" mentioned in the Federal Constitution, as one of those "others retained by the people".

25 posted on 09/15/2007 9:13:45 AM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: Coleus

I think that the problem is that it’s a quagmire, and we just need to redeploy from New Jersey. If it will work in Iraq, I’m sure it will work in New Jersey.

Mark


26 posted on 09/15/2007 9:17:12 AM PDT by MarkL (Listen, Strange women lyin' in ponds distributin' swords is no basis for a system of government)
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To: Coleus
I wonder how many crimes are committed in surrounding states by criminals from NJ
27 posted on 09/15/2007 9:20:10 AM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: Coleus
The process includes a two-week waiting period. Laws in Pennsylvania and some other states require much less paperwork and allow buyers to purchase guns within minutes.

Of course there is that nasty federal background check. If such measures did any good, criminals from New Jersey wouldn't have more success acquiring firearms in Pennsylvania or other states than they do in New Jersey. Plus most of those weapons would be handguns I'd imagine, the purchase of which from a dealer not in ones home state is also against federal law, albeit another of the nature of affecting mostly the law abiding, and not criminals.

28 posted on 09/15/2007 9:45:20 AM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: NapkinUser
State passes tough gun control laws and gun crime declines, it's proof anti-gun laws work.

Even if that were true, and I know you aren't implying that it is, gun control laws would still be in violation of the Constitution. The increased rate of crimes committed with arms would be part of the price of freedom.

But of course the restrictions on freedom actually seem to increase crime rates, often even the rates of crimes committed with firearms.

29 posted on 09/15/2007 9:50:15 AM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: crazyshrink
25. The American Revolution would never have happened with gun control.

Actually the attempt at gun control was what set off the American Revolution.

The Powers That Be, should keep that in mind.

30 posted on 09/15/2007 9:51:33 AM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: Coleus

The stinking gun nazis never rest. If every state that surrounds New Jerky has more strict gun laws, then they will point their fingers at the states surrounding the states that surround New Jerky, and on it goes.


31 posted on 09/15/2007 9:54:25 AM PDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: crazyshrink

Here’s another one. Two types of people fear an armed, honest citizenry. Tyrants and criminals. Which one are you?


32 posted on 09/15/2007 9:57:16 AM PDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: NRA2BFree

Technically they do. But, they haven't had an execution since 1963. They have 9-13 on death row (sites vary, probably with the last time the site was updated.

NPR and The Nation report that a state legislative commission has voted 12-1 to eliminate the death penalty. Prior to the commission's vote, a year or so prior, they passed a law temporarily suspending the death penalty.

33 posted on 09/15/2007 10:11:10 AM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: Coleus
The anti-gun crowd's answer to gun crime is to take away gun rights from law-abiding citizens. Doing that in Pennsylvania wouldn't make people in New Jersey safer. Idiots.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

34 posted on 09/15/2007 10:17:21 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Coleus

EFF’IN Jersey COWARDS!!!


35 posted on 09/16/2007 5:54:23 PM PDT by 2harddrive (...House a TOTAL Loss.....)
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