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Clinton Spars With Petraeus on Credibility
New York Sun ^ | September 12, 2007 | Eli Lake

Posted on 09/14/2007 9:33:33 AM PDT by khnyny

WASHINGTON — Senator Clinton squared off yesterday with her possible challenger for the White House in 2012, General David Petraeus, and came closer than any of her colleagues to calling the commander of the multinational forces in Iraq a liar.

Using blunter language than any other Democrat in the last two days, Mrs. Clinton told General Petraeus that his progress report on Iraq required "a willing suspension of disbelief."

Referring to the charts General Petraeus brought to the House and Senate this week, Mrs. Clinton said, "Although the charts tell part of the story, I don't think they tell the whole story." She said the "bottom-up" political reconciliation was "anecdotal" and that the success in Anbar province, where sheiks turned on Al Qaeda, started before the surge.

At the end of her speech, Mrs. Clinton pointed to what she saw as a discrepancy in the general's responses to questions from other senators about whether he would recommend that America keep 130,000 troops in Iraq a year from now if no progress was made toward national reconciliation.

"Don't you think the American people deserve a very specific answer about what is expected from our country in the face of the failure of the Iraqi government and its...

(Excerpt) Read more at nysun.com ...


TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 2008; clinton; democrats; electionpresident; gop; hillary; iraq; manhater; patraeus; petraeureport; petraeusreport; wot
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General Patraeus isn't a liar, but Hillary's hubby, Bill Clinton certainly IS. Depending upon what your definition of "is" is. Lieing under oath is called "perjury".
1 posted on 09/14/2007 9:33:35 AM PDT by khnyny
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To: khnyny

I love how counterinsurgency expert Clinton takes on the brain trust behind Gen. Petraeus [/s].


2 posted on 09/14/2007 9:35:49 AM PDT by glennshepard (Semper Fi)
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To: khnyny

If I could, I’d help her with the hole she’s digging.


3 posted on 09/14/2007 9:35:56 AM PDT by Renkluaf
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To: khnyny

2012? Why? Isn’t Fred Thompson going to run for re-election?


4 posted on 09/14/2007 9:36:48 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: khnyny
If you parse Hillary's comments, she actually tells the truth.

"Although the charts tell part of the story, I don't think...."

5 posted on 09/14/2007 9:38:20 AM PDT by N. Theknow (Kennedys: Can't drive, can't fly, can't ski, can't skipper a boat; but they know what's best for us)
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To: N. Theknow
Hillary! has been telling the truth for many years!

All you have to do, if you don't believe me, is read "There is Only the Fight..." which she wrote in college days. She speaks the truth, according to her inner core beliefs, in that thesis.

6 posted on 09/14/2007 9:41:22 AM PDT by C210N
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To: khnyny
From the article - "The senator's reaction to the cautious optimism of America's top general in Iraq is a pivot away from the position she took last month, when she conceded that American forces had achieved some security gains in Iraq, particularly in the Anbar province. She later backed away from those remarks after coming under fire from rival presidential campaigns and anti-war Democrats."

Talk about flip flopping - wow!

7 posted on 09/14/2007 9:43:50 AM PDT by marvlus
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To: khnyny
Who do you trust more?

A four star General running our War against Islamofacism.

A failed, former president's wife using stolen money bundled by a Chinese guy to get herself elected to the presidency.

No brainer!

8 posted on 09/14/2007 9:43:57 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (The DemocRATS own failure and defeat. Success and victory really depresses them.)
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To: khnyny

Clinton is bringing a rubber chicken to a machine gun fight.


9 posted on 09/14/2007 9:45:00 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: khnyny
Watching this play out is like being at the circus.


10 posted on 09/14/2007 9:45:33 AM PDT by vietvet67
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To: khnyny
Just remember she not only voted for taking down Iraq, she stated on a Russert show that "it is the Policy of the Democratic Party".

In other words, if things went better than expected, THEY would be the heroes!!

At the same time, Bubba was wishing he were "The War President".

11 posted on 09/14/2007 9:46:07 AM PDT by Sacajaweau ("The Cracker" will be renamed "The Crapper")
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To: maverickusna2009

Clinton had a few days to think about her position on the surge and “changed her mind”. Here she is addressing the VFW Convention on August 20, 2007. Clinton really is dumber than dirt.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/08/22/rivals-criticize-clinton-for-saying-iraq-policy-working/

“White House hopeful Hillary Clinton is taking heat Tuesday from some of her Democratic rivals over recent comments suggesting the president’s surge policy in Iraq is “working.”

The remarks came during an address to the Veterans of Foreign Wars convention Monday, in which the New York Democrat said the president’s Iraq policy was leading to success in “some areas.”

“We’ve begun to change tactics in Iraq, and in some areas, particularly in Al Anbar province, it’s working,” she said. “We’re just years too late in changing our tactics.”

“We can’t ever let that happen again,” Clinton added. “We can’t be fighting the last war. We have to keep preparing to fight the new war.”


12 posted on 09/14/2007 9:47:56 AM PDT by khnyny
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To: khnyny

It was Hillary Clinton’s twisted, convoluted attempt at disguising vocabulary. She had listened to General David Petraeus’ report to congress for hours. He had given his assessment, based on his experiences in the field — his military successes in the Anbar Province where blood stains the desert sands west of Baghdad.

Then Hillary, sticking her tongue into the mouth of her noose, looked the general straight in the eye and told him that all he had told congress so earnestly and truthfully required a “willful suspension of disbelief.”

What arrogance to insult a 4-star general who has removed himself from his battlefield to come to Washington, D.C. to give this report! Here’s a man who has a masters degree and a PhD (1987) in international affairs from Princeton University (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1896503/posts)

What arrogance to call this man a liar — a man who bravely and valiantly leads our fighting men to the successful conclusion of the military need to be in Iraq! A man who has service records in Haiti, Kuwait and Bosnia. He has five Oak Leaf Clusters and a Bronze Star, for crying out loud!

What arrogance to insult this general and all the service personnel he represents — men and women who put their lives on the line every day.

What arrogance — that’s Hillary and her ilk. Her best pal looks like the leader of moveon.org, Eli Pariser. He’s a graduate from Simon’s Rock College and moved up the corporate ladder to become executive director of Move On.org. His claim to fame is being a web page designer and is politically connected to everything Democrat.


13 posted on 09/14/2007 9:49:06 AM PDT by janereinheimer ((I can do all things through Him who strengthens me.))
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To: FlingWingFlyer

LOL. That about sums it up.


14 posted on 09/14/2007 9:49:54 AM PDT by khnyny
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To: khnyny

As an American, I can’t believe that Slick Willie’s wife even has a chance at becoming the next President of the United States. I guess this shows just how far America has fallen into the sewer. We’re done.


15 posted on 09/14/2007 9:50:28 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (The DemocRATS own failure and defeat. Success and victory really depresses them.)
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To: khnyny
Clinton Spars With Petraeus on Credibility


16 posted on 09/14/2007 9:52:25 AM PDT by lowbridge ("We control this House, not the parliamentarians!” -Congressman Steny Hoyer (D))
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To: khnyny

So, Hillery is trying to engage in a battle of wits with the general. Its a good thing that the general doesn’t fight back against an unarmed opponent.


17 posted on 09/14/2007 9:53:20 AM PDT by Godzilla (I will not submit, Lets Roll)
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To: khnyny

18 posted on 09/14/2007 9:56:23 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Hillary's color is yellow.....how appropriate)
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To: Godzilla

Ha Ha Ha!!!! Good one.


19 posted on 09/14/2007 9:58:30 AM PDT by flynmudd (Proud Navy Mom to OSSA Blalock-USS Ramage DDG61)
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To: khnyny
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20 posted on 09/14/2007 10:02:05 AM PDT by ulm1 (“There are scandals that need to be addressed. Republicans address them, Democrats re-elect them.”)
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To: bert

Good one!

OTOH, “Hillary, shut yer piehole!”


21 posted on 09/14/2007 10:02:47 AM PDT by Froufrou
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To: janereinheimer

Just another day at the office for the ‘Rats. Good post!!


22 posted on 09/14/2007 10:04:24 AM PDT by Frank_2001
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To: flynmudd

Don’t worry Hillery the Gen. will be back to kick your and congress butts again in 6 month.


23 posted on 09/14/2007 10:05:56 AM PDT by jocko12
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To: FlingWingFlyer
As an American, I can’t believe that Slick Willie’s wife even has a chance at becoming the next President of the United States. I guess this shows just how far America has fallen into the sewer. We’re done.

I agree - it boggles the mind. Hillary Clinton is the best of what America has to offer? It is a warning of what money and influence can buy. I'm not mentioning any names, but Soros and Hsu come to mind.
24 posted on 09/14/2007 10:06:48 AM PDT by khnyny
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To: khnyny

I feel silly just saying the word “credibility” in the same sentence as I mention Hillary Clinton (spit).


25 posted on 09/14/2007 10:07:21 AM PDT by FormerLib (Sacrificing our land and our blood cannot buy protection from jihad.-Bishop Artemije of Kosovo)
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To: marvlus

That’s right, she said the exact opposite August 20, 2007 at the VFW Convention.


26 posted on 09/14/2007 10:08:58 AM PDT by khnyny
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To: jocko12

Put the bong down slowly and walk away.


27 posted on 09/14/2007 10:14:50 AM PDT by flynmudd (Proud Navy Mom to OSSA Blalock-USS Ramage DDG61)
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To: khnyny
Hillary Clinton? And how many divisions has she led?
28 posted on 09/14/2007 10:15:01 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (Want authentic 1st century Christianity? Visit a local, New Testament Independent Baptist church!)
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Not sure it was mentioned in this article, but Hillary’s pretentious remark “willing suspension of disbelief” was not at all original. Some commentators seemed puzzled by the phrase as if it were something new. But it’s a common phrase used to describe what one must do to enjoy reading fiction, all fiction including the best or worst available.


29 posted on 09/14/2007 10:16:43 AM PDT by Will88
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To: FlingWingFlyer
A crooked, perjurous, vindictive, foul-tempered, communist, rapist-enabling, failed, former president's wife using stolen money bundled by a Chinese guy to get herself elected to the presidency.

There, fixed it

30 posted on 09/14/2007 10:18:10 AM PDT by Wil H (Islam translates to "submission", not "peace" - you can figure out the rest.)
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To: khnyny

Would Hillary Clinton make a good commander in chief during war??? That is the question voters need to ask themselves.


31 posted on 09/14/2007 10:19:22 AM PDT by Fred (Democrat Party - "The Nadir of Nihilism")
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To: khnyny

Sounds like Gen. Patraeus unwillingly found himself in a sword fight with a one-armed blind woman on crutches and armed only with a pocket knife....


32 posted on 09/14/2007 10:22:22 AM PDT by tracer
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To: Renkluaf

Don’t forget the crucifix, garlic, silver bullet, Klieg lights, and stake through the heart....


33 posted on 09/14/2007 10:23:58 AM PDT by tracer
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To: Will88
“willing suspension of disbelief”

It's funny because that is the EXACT phrase I thought of when Billary pretended to be shocked after Hsu's fugitive status was revealed by the MSM.

34 posted on 09/14/2007 10:25:14 AM PDT by CT102ndInfSister
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To: FlingWingFlyer

There is no such thing as a “no brainer” when it comes to the American voter. History will bear me out on that point....


35 posted on 09/14/2007 10:25:20 AM PDT by tracer
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To: Fred

Oh but once W is out of office there will be no more wars and UBL’s friends will plant flower gardens instead of IEDs. /sarc


36 posted on 09/14/2007 10:26:54 AM PDT by CT102ndInfSister
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To: tracer

Elect this or any other Clintonista and we will see CW2!


37 posted on 09/14/2007 10:32:28 AM PDT by iopscusa (El Vaquero. (SC Lowcountry Cowboy))
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To: khnyny

Don’t worry. If she wins the D nomination, she will surely revise her statements again, because her advisors will tell her the hard core left is locked up, and that she needs to appeal to more moderate voters.

This latest position on Iraq is just her latest flavor of the month.


38 posted on 09/14/2007 10:34:33 AM PDT by dashing doofus (Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber)
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To: lowbridge
Thank you. :)
39 posted on 09/14/2007 11:25:16 AM PDT by gundog
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To: khnyny
Clinton Spars With Petraeus on Credibility

In a battle of Credibility/Intelligence (or any other comparison, for that matter)....It seems to me, Shrillary is totally unarmed....like taking a grape (as a weapon) against a person armed w/ a sword/axe...or any other "bladed tool".

40 posted on 09/14/2007 11:28:55 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (just b/c your paranoid, doesn't mean they're NOT out to get you....Run, Fred, Run. :^)
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...Senator Clinton squared off yesterday with her possible challenger for the White House in 2012, General David Petraeus..

Not true. Gen. Patraeus was not allowed to say a word until he was asked a question, ~ 7 minutes into her diatribe, and then only allowed to answer the question that was asked.

There was no 'square off'.

41 posted on 09/14/2007 11:32:58 AM PDT by SGCOS
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To: Will88

“Not sure it was mentioned in this article, but Hillary’s pretentious remark “willing suspension of disbelief” was not at all original. Some commentators seemed puzzled by the phrase as if it were something new. But it’s a common phrase used to describe what one must do to enjoy reading fiction, all fiction including the best or worst available.”

Doesn’t “suspension of disbelief” actually mean she believes the report? Isn’t the phrase supposed to be “suspension of belief” as in reading fiction, you are required to suspend your belief that people cannot fly?


42 posted on 09/14/2007 11:42:53 AM PDT by bukkdems (Polygamy requires that you get rid of extra young men. Jihad is the way.)
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To: marvlus

As soon as a poll show that American’s approve, she will change her mind.

No core beliefs, just shift with the wind.


43 posted on 09/14/2007 11:49:10 AM PDT by chiefqc
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To: khnyny

BWAAAHAAHAAHAAHAA!

Clinton questions someone else’s credibility?

BWAAAHAAHAAHAAHAA!

BWAAAHAAHAAHAAHAA!

BWAAAHAAHAAHAAHAA!


44 posted on 09/14/2007 11:50:44 AM PDT by Califreak (Go Hunter!)
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To: khnyny




MONEY
HONEY

TSU'S     GOT

45 posted on 09/14/2007 11:55:01 AM PDT by potlatch (MIZARU_ooo_‹(•Ώ•)›_ooo_MIKAZARU_ooo_‹(•Ώ•)›_ooo_MAZARU_ooo_‹(•Ώ•)›_ooo_))
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To: Califreak

Oh no she did’nt!!!!!


46 posted on 09/14/2007 11:55:23 AM PDT by linn37 (Phlebotomists need love too.)
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To: chiefqc
No core beliefs, just shift with the wind.

Just like her husband.

47 posted on 09/14/2007 12:05:37 PM PDT by marvlus
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To: janereinheimer

Great post.


48 posted on 09/14/2007 12:06:02 PM PDT by khnyny
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To: Will88
Not sure it was mentioned in this article, but Hillary’s pretentious remark “willing suspension of disbelief” was not at all original. Some commentators seemed puzzled by the phrase as if it were something new. But it’s a common phrase used to describe what one must do to enjoy reading fiction, all fiction including the best or worst available.

Yes, great point. It's the phrase that pretentious middle-aged women say during their weekly fiction book club meetings. It's also used by second and third tier book reviewers. LOL. You can tell Hillary is surrounded by women advisors - it even shows in the lingo.
49 posted on 09/14/2007 12:10:50 PM PDT by khnyny
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To: potlatch

Thanks for that great graphic!! Too funny.


50 posted on 09/14/2007 12:12:17 PM PDT by khnyny
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