Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Odor of Cigarette Smoke Causes School Employee to Lose Job
FoxNews4, Portland, ME ^ | n/a

Posted on 09/16/2007 4:52:51 AM PDT by metesky

Odor of Cigarette Smoke Causes School Employee to Lose Job

Suzanne Lidster lost her job at a Denton elementary school because she smelled like cigarette smoke.


The Denton Independent School District has removed an employee from her position because she smells like cigarette smoke.

Suzanne Lidster was thrilled when she was recently hired to assist a student with disabilities at L.A. Nelson Elementary.

"It's something that God sent me here to do with this child," Lidster told FOX 4.  "It's like OK, this fell in my lap."

But after less than two weeks on the job, Lidster said she received a voicemail informing her that she had lost her position. 

The school's principal left a message on her cell phone Tuesday morning saying that a doctor said the odor of smoke on Lidster had aggravated the student's allergies. The principal also said that Lidster was not a good fit for the job.

"Like getting a voicemail from the school saying hey, don't come back to the school because you stink from smoke."

Lidster said she smokes eight cigarettes a day but never on campus.

"I don't stink," she said. But she admits that she may be used to the smell after smoking for 32 years.

Lidster tearfully told FOX 4 reporter Rebecca Aguilar that she would never do anything that might hurt a child.

"No, I would never harm a child, never knowingly harm a child smoking a cigarette, having the odors on my body, no I would never ever harm a child."

A district spokeswoman told FOX 4 that she couldn't talk about the case but did say Lidster had not been fired.

The spokeswoman said because Lidster is an at-will employee, she could be terminated at any time for no reason.

Denton ISD's human resources officer is looking into the case.

Lidster said she will quit smoking but will do it on her own terms.



TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Maine
KEYWORDS: allergies; becausewesayso; fired; goodgrief; publikskoolz; puff; pufflist; stinky; workplace
Shut-up and take it!
1 posted on 09/16/2007 4:52:54 AM PDT by metesky
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: metesky
Already posted

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1897122/posts

2 posted on 09/16/2007 4:54:33 AM PDT by SoftballMominVA (Never argue with an idiot. He will bring you down to his level and beat you with experience)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: metesky

God , I despise what this country has become.


3 posted on 09/16/2007 4:55:01 AM PDT by The Ghost of Rudy McRomney ("We just can't trust the American people to make the correct choices."-Hillary)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: SheLion; Gabz; Mears; Madame Dufarge

What about that teacher I had so many moons ago? The one that wore the same houndstooth wool jacket for four years and never had it dry-cleaned. Talk about stinky!


4 posted on 09/16/2007 4:56:04 AM PDT by metesky ("Brethren, leave us go amongst them." Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond- The Searchers)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: SoftballMominVA
Whoa! Sorry about that.

Original thread

There it is folks, for whoever wants to jog over to yesterday's thread.

Thanks for the heads up, SoftballMominVA.

5 posted on 09/16/2007 5:00:46 AM PDT by metesky ("Brethren, leave us go amongst them." Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond- The Searchers)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: metesky

If the student has a severe enough allergy, it could be a real issue. Unfortunately, there are a lot of whiners who exaggerate their sensitivity, which makes it harder for the people with real problems. Sometimes, hard-core problems like these accompany those with physical disabilities.

The school should find another student for her to work with.


6 posted on 09/16/2007 5:01:32 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana ((Not a newbie, just wanted a new screen name... heh, heh, heh))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: metesky
"I don't stink," she said. But she admits that she may be used to the smell after smoking for 32 years.

Fired... I don't know about that but I smoked for 20 years and never realized how much this smell offended people. A fart usually goes away after a few minutes. When my son comes over he is oblivious of how his clothes smell of smoke. Even gets worse the more trips outside he takes. I can't fire my son and he doesn't listen anyway but it is offensive. Some people just smell for different reasons and there are consequences on how people look at you and treat you.

7 posted on 09/16/2007 5:13:41 AM PDT by badpacifist (Conceit is God's gift to little men)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: metesky
Funny how urine / booze soaked democrats can sit in a library all day.
8 posted on 09/16/2007 5:43:29 AM PDT by Mark was here (Hard work never killed anyone, but why take the chance?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: metesky

NP, I’ve done the same thing more than once


9 posted on 09/16/2007 5:44:03 AM PDT by SoftballMominVA (Never argue with an idiot. He will bring you down to his level and beat you with experience)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: metesky

Just to clear up a point, this is in Denton, Texas. There is no Denton, Maine.


10 posted on 09/16/2007 5:44:11 AM PDT by Grut
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Grut

Yeah, I know (now). Sunday morning, hung over, posting without enough coffee.


11 posted on 09/16/2007 5:52:05 AM PDT by metesky ("Brethren, leave us go amongst them." Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond- The Searchers)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: metesky

The left continues to win the battle against individual freedom. They have won the battle against freedom of speech, freedom of thought, White Christian males.


12 posted on 09/16/2007 5:55:42 AM PDT by Leftism is Mentally Deranged
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Leftism is Mentally Deranged
This sounds unbelievable, but I heard on the radio yesterday a story from the UK that a man had severely broken his ankle in a fall about two years ago and it was not set right. He asked the NHS to fix it, and it required surgery. The NHS (National Health Service) informed him that they would not schedule any surgery until he stopped SMOKING! He said he could only get down to 10 smokes a day, and they told him to pound sand and not come back until he was lab certified free of nicotine, and off cigarettes permanently.

Shades of Hilary Care?

13 posted on 09/16/2007 6:12:42 AM PDT by tenthirteen
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: metesky
One of my HS teachers reeked. Between her 2-3-4 pack a day habit and her incredible BO, it was a trial just to sit in class with her - especially in the wintertime, when we couldn't open the windows. Were I principal, I'd have fired her, too.

So.....before all of the ANTI-antismoking people jump in, there may be other forces at work.

14 posted on 09/16/2007 6:36:44 AM PDT by wbill
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: wbill

“So.....before all of the ANTI-antismoking people jump in, there may be other forces at work.”

Maybe but I believe Texas is an “at will” state, like my own. If that’s the case, this is a moot subject. She can be fired for any or no reason. The woman should switch to cloves, get some artsy glasses and hairdoo and start wearing all black. They probably would never have said a word. ;)


15 posted on 09/16/2007 7:11:22 AM PDT by L98Fiero (A fool who'll waste his life, God rest his guts.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: metesky

“There is no evidence that tobacco smoke causes allergic reactions.” It is likely that the smoke causes a reflex response in the nose causing increased nasal congestion etc. Avoidance is advised although it is possible that oral decongestants, intra-nasal antihistamines or intranasal steroids can be helpful in relieving some of these symptoms.

Wouldn’t a person have to be actually smoking to cause this ‘irritation’? I don’t think you can have an allergy to a smell.


16 posted on 09/16/2007 7:21:28 AM PDT by Dudoight
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: metesky

It is possible that this is legitimate. The smell of cigarettes gives me migraines, as do certain perfumes. Just the smell alone lingering on a smoker’s clothes and hair is enough to cause a migraine, unless I get away from that person fairly quickly.

Now, instead of firing her, why can’t they let her work with someone who is not sensitive to it, or give her another job within the system? No need to punish her for it.


17 posted on 09/16/2007 7:30:48 AM PDT by Wage Slave (Good fences make good neighbors. -- Robert Frost)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Wage Slave

“No need to punish her for it.”

As someone else pointed out, all they had to do was suggest she get dome Febreeze or some other odor eliminator.

This is probably little more than class warfare. I’m thinking the cigs actually had very little to do with it.


18 posted on 09/16/2007 9:24:44 AM PDT by L98Fiero (A fool who'll waste his life, God rest his guts.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]

To: L98Fiero

It is class warfare, but one of the markers of
what is today considered to be low class and uneducated is cigarette smoking.


19 posted on 09/16/2007 10:38:43 AM PDT by metesky ("Brethren, leave us go amongst them." Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond- The Searchers)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 18 | View Replies]

To: metesky

This is like the mother who claimed fool because her kid was allergic to peanut butter so she wanted the school to ban everyone from having it.

I think she might have a good cause for a wrongful firing lawsuit since smoking is legal. Yes it is banned in certain areas but no where does it say it is illegal to smoke.

The right thing to do would have been give her a different assignment within the school or perhaps transfering the student but that makes too much sense.


20 posted on 09/16/2007 11:24:39 AM PDT by Shots
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: metesky
Not scientifically defensible.
Clearly in the realm of "arbitrary and capricious" abuse of power. Half a pack a day can't make you "reek" of tobacco, even if in fact it could be demonstrated that it is harmful in any way other than neurotically.
21 posted on 09/16/2007 11:27:05 AM PDT by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Shots
She has no case since smokers are not protected by the Americans with Disabilities Act and that Texas is a employment at will state.
22 posted on 09/16/2007 11:30:29 AM PDT by trumandogz
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 20 | View Replies]

To: Dr. Sivana
If the student has a severe enough allergy, it could be a real issue.

BS. The allergies would be aggravated at all times by real world conditions.

This same kid will be kicking it in bars when he's 21 and will handle it just fine. This teacher was fired because of out of control anti-tobacco zealotry. Anti-tobacco zealotry should be classified as a legitimate psychiatric disorder and those suffering from it should be involuntarily committed.
23 posted on 09/16/2007 11:32:10 AM PDT by mysterio
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: wbill
I think you are probably right, she might not have used the proper hygiene in general and the smell of cig smoke was just the icing on the (rancid) cake.
24 posted on 09/16/2007 11:33:21 AM PDT by Ditter
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: Dudoight
A smell can trigger a “reaction”, all reactions are not necessarily allergic.

The woman probably just wasn’t clean and she stank. I can't imagine that 8 cigarettes a day would be enough to get her fired because of the smell.

25 posted on 09/16/2007 11:39:23 AM PDT by Ditter
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: trumandogz

Sure she has she is being discriminated against it is as simple s that Americans disabilities act has nothing to do with this.


26 posted on 09/16/2007 12:44:48 PM PDT by Shots
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 22 | View Replies]

To: mysterio
This same kid will be kicking it in bars when he's 21 and will handle it just fine.

I once worked for a neurotic boss who spent at least 3 nights a week in smoke-filled barrooms looking for someone, anyone, who'd tolerate him for more than an hour.

He managed to survive this horrific experience, but wouldn't let anyone smoke with 30 yards of him at the office.

Same guy spent almost a year in a mental institution because he'd proclaimed he was Jesus.

27 posted on 09/16/2007 12:53:34 PM PDT by Madame Dufarge
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 23 | View Replies]

To: mysterio
BS. The allergies would be aggravated at all times by real world conditions.

My sister-in-law has such a sensitivity, and she does have to avoid heavily perfumed people and church incense as well as heavy smokers. She doesn't sue, she doesn't make a fuss. She knows that she has the sensitivity and simply does her best to stay away from situations that make her sick. If she had a major disability that required a personal aide, she would request a different aide.

The kid in this situation may not have that degree of allergy. I don't know and neither do you. I will agree that the one thing that "smells" in this scenario is the unwillingness of the administration to find a different student for her to care for.
28 posted on 09/16/2007 2:30:19 PM PDT by Dr. Sivana ((Not a newbie, just wanted a new screen name))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 23 | View Replies]

To: Madame Dufarge
Same guy spent almost a year in a mental institution because he'd proclaimed he was Jesus.

So YOU'RE the lady with the bumper sticker that reads "My boss is a Jewish Carpenter."

(Hmmm... Madame Dufarge vs. Dr. Sivana, that would be quite the match-up)
29 posted on 09/16/2007 2:32:28 PM PDT by Dr. Sivana ((Not a newbie, just wanted a new screen name))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 27 | View Replies]

To: Dr. Sivana

Agreed.


30 posted on 09/16/2007 2:33:34 PM PDT by mysterio
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 28 | View Replies]

To: Dr. Sivana

I challenge you to a knitting contest....


31 posted on 09/16/2007 2:37:16 PM PDT by Madame Dufarge
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 29 | View Replies]

To: metesky

Oddly enough,the smell of lilacs and freshly mown grass really irritates me. I have never asked anyone to get rid of their lilac bushes or stop mowing their lawns———I just tough it out the way my generation usually does.

What a strange,strange world this has become. !


32 posted on 09/16/2007 3:08:52 PM PDT by Mears
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Dr. Sivana
Heck, walking around in FOG can make my coat smell like I've been in a smoke-filled room all day. Various particulates, particularly from farmers burning everything wooden, make for smoky aromas that can cling to clothing. So can going camping around a campfire.

Give the woman a different kid to work with. Or spray her with Ozium before she enters the classroom....

33 posted on 09/16/2007 3:11:44 PM PDT by Othniel (Mohammad: False Prophet and Smeghead Deluxe....)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 28 | View Replies]

To: Madame Dufarge

Can I use my army of robot-knitting machines? We’ll let Mary Marvel and Mr. Pecksniff be judges.


34 posted on 09/16/2007 3:11:51 PM PDT by Dr. Sivana ((Not a newbie, just wanted a new screen name))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 31 | View Replies]

To: Dr. Sivana
Ok, even though I have Knit and Purl on my side, I must object to Mr. Pecksniff on general principle.

I'm sure you understand.

35 posted on 09/16/2007 3:36:51 PM PDT by Madame Dufarge
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 34 | View Replies]

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson