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Four tales of city dwellers who fled New York
NY Daily News ^ | September 16th 2007 | KIRSTEN DANIS

Posted on 09/16/2007 9:20:10 AM PDT by lowbridge

Four tales of city dwellers who fled New York

More New Yorkers leave the city every year than move here, a trend highlighted in a population study released last week.

The report showed that in 2005, 300,000 people left New York, and only 200,000 arrived from across the U.S. and other countries to replace them.

The results prompted the Daily News to ask: Why did you say goodbye to New York?

Here are the stories we heard:

He's getting more bang for his bucks

Carlos Thompson and his wife owned a house in Brooklyn and made a decent living as graphic designers, but for years he wanted to escape the city's crippling expenses and the threat of terrorism.

Research led Thompson, 36, to the Charlotte area, where the mortgage on his five-bedroom house costs $1,000 a month - a third of what he was paying in Brooklyn. Plenty of other urbanites have relocated to the same area. His broker and builder were former New Yorkers.

"I'm getting a lot more for my money and saving at the same time," said Thompson, a Trinidadian native and the dad of a 7-year-old daughter.

"I do miss my Caribbean food, but other than that, I wouldn't trade it back."

Salary plus kid didn't compute

The first time the Bogens tried to leave New York, it was a bust.

The couple, high school sweethearts from Kentucky who came to New York for college in 1995, fled to Nashville after 9/11. But instead of finding solace, "we spent a lot of time at home watching TV," said Bonnie, 30.

They moved back in December 2002, scoring a one-bedroom Brooklyn apartment for $750 a month. They joined a church and planned to raise a family.

But after their son, Matthew, was born last year, the Bogens slowly realized they could not afford to stay on the salary Josh, 28, made as an NYU computer programmer. They soon returned to Nashville, where they're about to buy a $180,000 house.

Bonnie said she misses New York's street life and diversity, but she's learning to like Nashville, where they're close to their parents, and her husband can come home for lunch. "I think that we have a good balance here," she said.

Bureaucracy drove her away

If you had told Ann Marie Hughes a decade ago that she'd be living in Iowa today, she would have laughed.

Even though her husband grew up in Dubuque, Ann Marie, 38, was a Brooklyn girl from birth. But their plans changed when the couple's third child, Teddy, now 5, developed severe autism. Ann Marie couldn't navigate the city's sluggish bureaucracy to help Teddy and couldn't work while she cared for him.

The couple made the tough decision to send Ann Marie to Iowa with their children while Dan, also 38, stays with relatives in New York for weeks at a time to toil as an ironworker.

For the most part, it has paid off. The family cut their $1,300-a-month housing expense in half, Teddy got help right after the move and the kids can play outside the way Ann Marie remembers doing as a child in Brooklyn.

"I'm living the way I wanted to live in New York," she said.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; US: New York
KEYWORDS: bluezone; c; exodus; migration; newyork; ny; urban
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I know the title says "Four" tales, and the article only has three stories. Must be a misprint.
1 posted on 09/16/2007 9:20:13 AM PDT by lowbridge
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To: lowbridge

I left New York for good after only one day there.


2 posted on 09/16/2007 9:23:53 AM PDT by 2nd Bn, 11th Mar (The "P" in Democrat stands for patriotism.)
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To: lowbridge
I know the title says "Four" tales, and the article only has three stories. Must be a misprint.

Should the article have used the word "tales"? The better word would've been "stories". A tale is oftentimes not true.
3 posted on 09/16/2007 9:25:40 AM PDT by adorno
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To: lowbridge

bump


4 posted on 09/16/2007 9:25:47 AM PDT by VOA
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To: lowbridge

“I’m living the way I wanted to live in New York,” she said”.


Most likely trying to recreate New York where she is, they never learn.


5 posted on 09/16/2007 9:28:07 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (THE SECOND AMENDMENT, A MATTER OF FACT, NOT A MATTER OF OPINION)
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To: lowbridge
I've been there. It is disgusting, over priced, and filthy.

I just shook my head when I saw people pushing babies in strollers, through the graffiti and the bums and the trash, while looking at nothing but concrete. What a way to grow up.

You couldn't pay me to live in NYC.

6 posted on 09/16/2007 9:28:26 AM PDT by teenyelliott (Soylent green should be made outta liberals...)
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To: lowbridge

I love to visit NYC. For 2 days at a time. Then I’m ok for several years. I really love NY outside the City. It is absolutely gorgeous. Hiking and camping at Lake George, the Finger Lakes, the Hudson River Valley. The humidity is killer but the scenery is wonderful!


7 posted on 09/16/2007 9:33:50 AM PDT by originalbuckeye (I want a hero....I'm holding out for a hero (politically))
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To: TrueKnightGalahad

Hey, you be 300,001th to leave before Osama nukes NYC or Obama (Or Hill, Bill, whatever Dem) wins the Presidency and surrenders NYC to Osama...


8 posted on 09/16/2007 9:34:08 AM PDT by Bender2 ("I've got a twisted sense of humor, and everything amuses me." RAH Beyond this Horizon)
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To: lowbridge
I know the title says "Four" tales, and the article only has three stories. Must be a misprint.

No low, the authoress of this sappy piece left town immediately after publication. However, in fairness to the jerkette, she did keep the idiotic piece somewhat racially balanced. OTOH, there is no sympathy experssed for alternative lifestyles here. Her bad!

Suffice it to say that one can buy many acres of fine bottom land in America for the same amount of money it costs to rent a one-room studio in any part of town in which one's self or family is at least at minimal risk of being killed and eaten by the hordes of Third Worlders that make most of the NYC of today as attractive as the slums of Lima.

Ever seen Seinfeld? Unless the gang inherited their apartments from Mom and Dad, you're looking at $2500 a month in rent. To live next door to Kramer? I don't think so.

9 posted on 09/16/2007 9:36:49 AM PDT by Zerodown (Petraeus. The next Eisenhower?)
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To: Zerodown
New York has great culture, amazing food, a 24 hour lifestyle. But its a very expensive place to live - not to mention visiting it.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

10 posted on 09/16/2007 9:40:46 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: lowbridge
Housing prices in western PA are some of the most reasonable in the country. Three-bedroom, two-story houses about forty years old go for $140 - 160,000/year in the Pittsburgh suburbs. Apartment rents in suburban apartment buildings average $600 - 800/mo. for a decent one-bedroom in a safe area.
11 posted on 09/16/2007 9:45:15 AM PDT by Ciexyz
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To: lowbridge

I left over 27 years ago. People who left before me say the same thing, after you’ve been away a few years, you can’t understand why anyone would want to live in such an unpleasant place. (Massachusetts, despite its silly politics is a very pleasant place. In the summer.)


12 posted on 09/16/2007 9:50:40 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (NYT Headline: Protocols of the Learned Elders of CBS: Fake but Accurate, Experts Say)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER
Most likely trying to recreate New York where she is, they never learn.

That's just something people do naturally. I just moved to NY from WA state about five months ago, and I'm doing the same thing. I have to look hard to find good microbrew beer, the average convenience store in the NW has a better selection than the most upscale market here in Rockland County, good thing I made it to Captain Lawrence Brewery yesterday to fill up my growlers! In a land where people think Dunkin' Donuts coffee is great, you have to look harder to find espresso that is not overburned Starbucks.

I've enjoyed a large amount of cultural and culinary activities since I've been here, and the best part is being near the lady I moved here for, so I'm happy. But I still fill my suitcases with Northwest wine on visits back to see my folks!

A lot of people around here are indeed moving to the Carolinas, we intend to do the same after she can retire with full medical benefits from her job. I do like the country lifestyle that you get outside of this area.

13 posted on 09/16/2007 9:52:10 AM PDT by hunter112 (Change will happen when very good men are forced to do very bad things.)
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To: lowbridge

My Husband is a Clinton Fan who wants to move back to Manhattan, specifically the Upper East Side and I choose otherwise, any suggestions to persuade him in changing his mind????????/Just Asking - seoul62........


14 posted on 09/16/2007 9:54:25 AM PDT by seoul62 (Just asking, Seoul62)
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To: seoul62

Dump him (just kidding)


15 posted on 09/16/2007 9:59:11 AM PDT by TLEIBY308
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To: TLEIBY308

I know love is blind, he is my opposite but I love him and he is a good father and partner, despite our political differences./Just Asking - seoul62..........


16 posted on 09/16/2007 10:01:32 AM PDT by seoul62 (Just asking, Seoul62)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
(Massachusetts, despite its silly politics is a very pleasant place. In the summer.)

I am led to believe that is because many of the most obnoxious residents go north for the summer, or concentrate themselves on Cape Cod, where the damage they do can be controlled, or at least confined within the Commonwealth's borders.

17 posted on 09/16/2007 10:09:58 AM PDT by Zerodown (Petraeus. The next Eisenhower?)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
(Massachusetts, despite its silly politics is a very pleasant place. In the summer.)

I am led to believe that is because many of the most obnoxious residents go north for the summer, or concentrate themselves on Cape Cod, where the damage they do can be controlled, or at least confined within the Commonwealth's borders.

18 posted on 09/16/2007 10:10:03 AM PDT by Zerodown (Petraeus. The next Eisenhower?)
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To: lowbridge
I know the title says "Four" tales, and the article only has three stories. Must be a misprint.

Or NYC math.

19 posted on 09/16/2007 10:20:50 AM PDT by AlaskaErik (I served and protected my country for 31 years. Democrats spent that time trying to destroy it.)
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To: Constitution Day

And their all going to North Carolina!

Enjoy it while you can down there!


20 posted on 09/16/2007 10:21:02 AM PDT by Incorrigible (If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
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To: teenyelliott
You couldn't pay me to live in NYC.

Same here. I live in a nice quiet subdivision on an acre of land with a nice 2400 sq ft house. NYC has nothing that I want so bad that I'd live there for it.

21 posted on 09/16/2007 10:24:48 AM PDT by AlaskaErik (I served and protected my country for 31 years. Democrats spent that time trying to destroy it.)
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To: 2nd Bn, 11th Mar
I left New York for good after only one day there.

A nice place to visit...

My one and only time I stayed in NYC more than a few hours was in 1993.
I recall that my first impression of the place, at our hotel not too far from Rockerfeller Center, was the all-permeating smell of sewage....

My only regret was not visiting the Twin Towers during the only opportunity I had in my lifetime...

22 posted on 09/16/2007 10:26:02 AM PDT by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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To: AlaskaErik
NYC has nothing that I want so bad that I'd live there for it.

Well, we have great pizza. :-)

23 posted on 09/16/2007 10:26:31 AM PDT by lowbridge ("We control this House, not the parliamentarians! -Congressman Steny Hoyer (D))
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To: AlaskaErik
Or NYC math.

2 plus 2 equals 22! Look it up!

24 posted on 09/16/2007 10:28:33 AM PDT by lowbridge ("We control this House, not the parliamentarians! -Congressman Steny Hoyer (D))
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To: seoul62

My most persuasive argument: What can you do for future planning by saving $3k a month? And you never need to wonder if you need a gun.


25 posted on 09/16/2007 10:28:55 AM PDT by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
(Massachusetts, despite its silly politics is a very pleasant place. In the summer.)

As an ardent proponent of the Second Amendment I could never live in MA.

26 posted on 09/16/2007 10:29:43 AM PDT by AlaskaErik (I served and protected my country for 31 years. Democrats spent that time trying to destroy it.)
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To: lowbridge
Frankly, I wish more people would leave NYC. It would leave more room for me.

Instead, they're building monstrosities on neighboring streets and all the parking spots are going away.

27 posted on 09/16/2007 10:30:56 AM PDT by Tanniker Smith (I didn't know she was a Liberal when I married her. Thank Goodness, Laura isn't.)
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To: teenyelliott
people pushing babies in strollers, through the graffiti and the bums and the trash, while looking at nothing but concrete

Hey!

The graffiti is mostly gone!

Talk about falsehoods. Sheesh.

;-)

28 posted on 09/16/2007 10:31:17 AM PDT by lowbridge ("We control this House, not the parliamentarians! -Congressman Steny Hoyer (D))
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To: seoul62
any suggestions to persuade him in changing his mind????????/

Mention divorce and 1/2 of everything including his future pension........

29 posted on 09/16/2007 10:35:07 AM PDT by Hot Tabasco (I could be Agent "HT")
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To: lowbridge
heehee

Okay, I'll replace graffiti with bars on the windows. Fair? : )

30 posted on 09/16/2007 10:35:28 AM PDT by teenyelliott (Soylent green should be made outta liberals...)
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To: teenyelliott

The best thing coming out of New York is I-95 South!!


31 posted on 09/16/2007 10:48:55 AM PDT by geezerwheezer (get up boys, we're burnin' daylight!!!)
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To: teenyelliott; lowbridge
The 'graffiti' out here in the great Southwest is about a thousand years old.

And just as intelligible as the newer stuff. ;-)

32 posted on 09/16/2007 10:49:29 AM PDT by uglybiker (relaxing in a luxuriant cloud of quality, aromatic, pre-owned tobacco essence)
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To: geezerwheezer
HA!
33 posted on 09/16/2007 10:56:10 AM PDT by teenyelliott (Soylent green should be made outta liberals...)
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To: Hot Tabasco

I am Catholic - no divorce. I am hoping time and discussion will change his mind./Just Asking - seoul62.......


34 posted on 09/16/2007 11:03:21 AM PDT by seoul62 (Just asking, Seoul62)
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To: seoul62
My Husband is a Clinton Fan who wants to move back to Manhattan, specifically the Upper East Side and I choose otherwise, any suggestions to persuade him in changing his mind????????/

Remind him of the real estate prices in Manhattan, the cost of living, the taxes, and Bill Clinton being within groping distance of you.

(I believe Woody Allen lives in the upper East Side, on East 92nd street, if that helps)

35 posted on 09/16/2007 11:27:34 AM PDT by lowbridge ("We control this House, not the parliamentarians! -Congressman Steny Hoyer (D))
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To: Incorrigible

You are right. They come down here and try to change our lifestyle to their terrible liberal views. They can all go back or move to MA or MI where they fit in......


36 posted on 09/16/2007 11:35:01 AM PDT by captnorb
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To: Incorrigible

Most of them are moving to Charlotte or Raleigh (I’m in Greensboro) but there I know several here. Greensboro appears to be about the same mix that I’ve always known it (55 liberal/45 conservative in the city, 60 conservative/40 liberal outside the city).


37 posted on 09/16/2007 11:46:35 AM PDT by rb22982
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To: lowbridge
The graffiti is not as plentiful as the 70’s but it’s still there.
38 posted on 09/16/2007 11:51:19 AM PDT by CaptainK (...please make it stop. Shake a can of pennies at it.)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

“Most likely trying to recreate New York where she is, they never learn.”

How true. I saw a lot of that in Nashville before I picked up and moved to Colorado. New Yorkers always know better and they don’t mind telling you.


39 posted on 09/16/2007 11:57:01 AM PDT by dljordan
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To: lowbridge
being born on that illustrious island, and now living in suburbia, the bottom line is you need real deep pockets, enjoy drinking a beer at your neighborhood saloon surrounded by liberals, and your food cooked in the environmentally correct oil du jour to live there.
40 posted on 09/16/2007 12:18:20 PM PDT by JohnLongIsland
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To: lowbridge
On a related note, from last December...

People Abandoning New York State, New Data Indicates

And, more recently....

Failing grade for Chemung National economic study gives F to 31 New York counties.

Note to the nation: Keep voting for 'Rats and RINOs and all this, too, can by yours...

41 posted on 09/16/2007 12:24:06 PM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: seoul62

Have him comitted.


42 posted on 09/16/2007 12:30:58 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Defeat liberalism, its the right thing to do for America.)
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To: Publius6961
My last visit to NYC was more than 20 years ago, I can still hear the constant honking of the car horns. Our hotel room must not have been very high up because I went to sleep at night to the sounds of car horns and woke up to them the next morning. Do NYers still do that?
43 posted on 09/16/2007 12:36:14 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: Clemenza; rmlew; firebrand; Yehuda

ping


44 posted on 09/16/2007 1:19:38 PM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: seoul62
I am Catholic - no divorce.

I was just kidding . Don't know what to tell you other than you have major problems considering he is also a Clinton fan..........

45 posted on 09/16/2007 1:42:09 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (I could be Agent "HT")
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To: seoul62

There probably isn’t anything you can do. My wife convinced me to move to the country in 1994. I somehow lasted almost 10 years before I told her we had to move back to civilization for my sanity. Country life, or even small town life isn’t for everyone.


46 posted on 09/16/2007 1:47:31 PM PDT by Melas (Offending stupid people since 1963)
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To: Bender2

I’m working on it! ;-)


47 posted on 09/16/2007 2:17:48 PM PDT by TrueKnightGalahad (Your feeble skills are no match for the power of the Viking Kitties!)
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To: AlaskaErik
You gotta understand that people who are born and raised in the city who have never traveled outside the city have no idea what a cesspool they live in.

When I was growing up we were told everybody outside NYC were hicks and rednecks, there were no jobs except low paying ones anywhere ouside NYC and that we were tougher and better than anyopne else because we lived in the "Big Apple" and "if we could make it there we could make it anywhere"

I escaped 15 years ago at the age of 29 and only wish I left 20 years sooner.

48 posted on 09/16/2007 2:31:08 PM PDT by Rome2000 (Peace is not an option)
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To: lowbridge

NYC... A great place to visit, but you have to be rich or insane to want to live there. Often, the two are combined. Of course, those born and raised in NYC believe it is the center of the Western World, er... center of the known Universe, actually.


49 posted on 09/16/2007 5:11:40 PM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free
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To: Ditter

Sitting on a tour bus in NYC, an ambulance came up behind us in gridlock. The ambulance squeezed by eventually but it must have missed 4 light cycles before getting through the street light to the next block of gridlock. By then, it had long since turned off it’s siren and was just flashing it’s lights. The street was packed and there was simply nowhere for it to go.

I sat watching that Ambulance locked in traffic and thought, “buddy, you are going to die.” LOL!


50 posted on 09/16/2007 5:20:37 PM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free
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