Skip to comments.Cops At Risk As Criminals Use More Assault Weapons
Posted on 09/16/2007 2:28:44 PM PDT by flattorney
An extraordinarily violent day in South Florida -- which began with the shooting of four police officers south of Miami, and ended with the death of the gunman in Pembroke Pines -- brought home a disturbing fact of criminal life: More offenders are taking to the streets with high-powered assault weapons. "You can buy an assault rifle for about $200," said Carlos Baixauli, a special agent with the Miami district office of the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives. "That gives you a lot of firepower with the flick of a finger."
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I think they are Moose Limbs
Wonder if they’ll figure out that the crims don’t buy them legally..
Let me guess : a semi automatic 22 hunting rifle is an “assault” weapon.
That doesn't come with the mindset to become a criminal as a requirement of the sale.
That has to be acquired elsewhere.
Here's a thought....if you want a safe job, don't be a cop.
Meant for war, or to be fired from the hip, assault rifles such as the notorious AK-47, the favorite of guerrilla fighters around the world, can spit a lethal spray of up to 600 rounds a minute in full automatic mode.
Possibly. But the AK-47 "look-alikes" (e.g. WASR-10) sold in the U.S. are not "assault rifles". They are semi-automatic only. You pull the trigger, and they fire one round, and one round only.
Comparing them to true (selective-fire) assault rifles is dishonest, despicable, and reprehensible.
Their potent punch leaves officers equipped with traditional handguns at a disadvantage.
This line is obviously an attempt to deceive the reader into believing that these "assault rifles" are extraordinarily powerful. Nothing could be further from the truth.
The 7.62x39 cartridge, chambered in such firearms as the true AK-47, WASR-10, SKS Carbine, Ruger Mini-30, etc., is roughly equal to the .30-30 Winchester in power & performance.
When measuring foot-pounds of energy, the 7.62x39 cartridge is barely half as powerful as the .30-06
Little Bobby Nolin is a blithering presstitutional idiot pandering to the gun grabbers if he believes for one minute what he wants you to read for five minutes..........
Have him tell us again why the criminals will elect to follow “his” pet issue laws and not the others ?
Doom on him and his......their incremental BS against the law abiding citizens and their coddling of real criminals is obvious and insane.
The political definition is basically just anything which, on a scale of one to ten for being scary looking to demokkkrats, goes much over a six.
The real military definition is more complex. Most assume a weapon has to be at least semi-automatic and preferably automatic to qualify but, in real life, that's not really necessary. In fact in real life, most people attempting to fire any military weapon in full auto mode will never hit anything with it.
What you really want and need for an assault weapon are things which work well in assault situations:
Add to that list the ideas that it would be good if the thing never jammed and were easy to clean. Add all of that up, and what I come up with is a lot different from the pictures you usually see:
That's basically a Henry lever-action rifle in 22 wmr caliber, which is basically a $330 item on Gunbroker or at BassPro or Gander Mountain. Couple that with some of the hotter WMR ammo and you have a 40-gr bullet moving just over 2000 fps which can be totally cleaned by pulling one of your string type cleaners through the bore.
That's about what I'd want for an "assault rifle" in today's world. You'd have to figure some way to make the feed tubes detachable/quick-change, but that's not a major engineering feat.
Which, of course, describes the denizens of the BATFE with complete accuracy.
Careful, that could put an eye out.
Truth at risk as more "journalists" use cliches.
Shoot! Ya gotta point!
I would like to know where one can buy an Ak-47, even a crappy one, for $200. Is the author is referring to the SKS rifle, which was exempted from the Clinton Ban and the New Jersey ban? So another anti gun editor, and another anti gun government official, are full of it. What else is new?
Nothing new, just the same ol' political rhetoric without any insistence by the MSM to quantify it.
I'll buy a steak dinner for anybody who can get off 600 rounds that way, in a minute. One trigger pull, one shot, no external devices or illegal full-auto mods.
And lets stipulate that all rounds must hit the side of a barn at 100 feet.
Picky, picky, picky! You see, here's the deal. An SKS shoots AK-47 ammo. Ergo, and SKS = an AK-47.
(Remember, reporters don't know shotguns from rifles.)
That's right. This perp was an illegal alien, that was released on bail for armed violence in '02 and then jumped bail. He should have been held w/o bail as an illegal and flight risk, then deported after he did the jail time.
It is not particularly difficult to turn that Henry into a full auto. A machine shop is not neccessary. You need hand tools, and the method has been tested.
They took the lever guns in Australia, as well as pump actions, I think, because of precisely the issues you’ve raised. Of course, they accomplished nothing. Stupid people pass stupid laws.
Cop said: "I'm much more afraid of a redneck with a scoped 30-30 that he has shot for 20 yrs than a banger with an Ak that can't hit S**t." This shooting proves him right. I think more would have been killed with a 12ga pump. (prayers to family of downed officer).ps, true story.
I knew a guy who was really, really good at bump-shooting a semi-auto AK. Could empty a 30 round mag in a matter of a few seconds. I guarantee even he couldn’t come close, using drum mags, let alone 30s.
It’s a skill that isn’t worth much, really, but it’s great fun to watch!
They’ve simply gotten high tech. My daughter is a police officer and she told me that a fellow officer stopped a car at night a few months ago for a traffic violation. By coincidence, there were other cops in the area and she and two other cars arrived, making a total of four cops (they travel solo).
Needless to say, the occupants of the car had warrants on them - and then a search turned up drugs and weapons up one side and down the other. It also revealed a pin-hole camera with an opening next to the license plate, which transmitted images to what the cops had initially thought was a DVD player in the front seat. In other words, the drug thugs could watch everything that was going on outside without even turning around.
In this case, the fact that they were virtually surrounded by cop cars made them go quietly. But if only one officer had walked up on them, that person would probably be dead now.
GRRRRREAT FReeper comments BUMP!
Yes, I’m still trying to find one of those 40mm semi automatic pistols to add to my collection.
Here’s something you can do for entertainment the next time a rabid anti gun editorial bewails the existance of affordable handguns and refers to them as “Saturday Night Specials.”
Just dash off a quick email to the editor that explains the source of that term. They won’t reply to you, but you can imagine the blood, snot, and brain matter spurting from all of their cranial orifices when they realize what they just said. It’s fun. :)
That's nothing compared to declaring a shoestring to be a machine gun!
Those ummmm challenges cost me a lot of money ....remember the last one ....the apollo challenge .........:o)
I did get a load of brass and a great upper for my AR though in 6.5 Grendel.
Joking aside this presstitute is a dink with no think.
Stay safe my friend !
True, true true!
Awful lot of “assault weapon” articles in the past few weeks. Me thinks the demoncratic congress has something in mind for us.
I’d still like to see the one minute challenge. As long as I’m not paying for the ammo! (There were some real advantages to being in the military, at times.)
I’ve got one cop video which shows the difference between aimed shots and spray/pray techniques and it’s pretty dramatic. From forty yards away firing a FAL rifle on full auto at four or five adversaries produced no hits which would produce major injuries while emptying the mag; four or five aimed shots produced kill shots on all adversaries while taking no more time. The impression I get is that full auto shooting should only be done with belt-fed weapons and you’re basically fighting WW-I when you do it even with the belt-fed weapons. The situation which calls for it rarely exists any more.
Well, if that’s true, at least you had more fun than I did today.
Then there is the classic example of the Rhodesian military in the 70s, which had select fire FALs. Due to ammo constraints, their armorers converted all of the military's rifles to semi-only, and their "kills" went up dramatically!
This is proof that southern florida has three daily newspapers too many
That’s just twenty 30 round mags in one minute.......mags stacked for easy reach, shooting one handed from a rest like a standing over barricade position with the front hand guard resting on said barricade. Counting rounds so that # 29 was followed by a mag change to preclude bolt release slap or charging handle manipulation etc .
I think it could be close, for someone who shoots a lot, disciplined, thinking .......:o)
I am almost out of vintage 1994 surplus. Maybe two or so cases left .
I may give it a try
Didn’t do any shooting. Just got dirty under the old truck. A 200ms trigger pull- 5/sec is all I can do, and 2 sec to pick and place a mag from a pile on the picnic table. I think I would ruin the barrel doing something like that.
Oh really. A full auto or burst fire capable weapon for $200? Where, off the back of a truck, sold by a guy who stole them from a military or police, including federal police, weapons room?
But not in the US. Newly manufactured full auto (including burst fire) weapons have been illegal for mere
civilians peons, to own in the US since 1986. So both the buyer and the seller of those $200 assault rifles would be committing a federal felony, even if they were otherwise law abiding citizens. Of course the criminals attitude is "whats one more felony. Actually you can buy an assault rifle for under $200, in any third world country. In fact you can probably get them even cheaper than that.
Reporters don’t care if they don’t know either. Facts get in the way. Even this frenchman knows that;
"Assault weapon" is a term made up by the gun grabbers. It' means any gun we don't the citiznry to have, this week.
An "assault rifle" OTOH, is, by DoD definition, "short, compact, select-fire weapons that fire a cartridge intermediate in power between submachine gun and rifle cartridges" (submachine gun cartridges are *pistol* catridges, although occasionally loaded a bit hotter). Examples would be the M-16, true AK-47, the FNC, the HK-53, the PRC, Type 95 / 97, the Steyr AUG and a host of others.
That's OK, we might have something in mind for them as well. Turnabout is fair play, right?
W O W ! ! !
Then why does the military issue M-249s and M-240s? Many militaries are still using full auto capable weapons as the basic infantry rifle as well. Even some which use very modern M-16s. Sometimes you really need suppressive fire.
I've heard some cops (friends and acquaintances) and some other folks "in the know" and the consensus seems to be this was SJS: Sudden Jihadi Syndrome. This guy was training for some kind of event requiring getting out from behind the wheel of an automobile and using the AK, swiftly and accurately. Know how difficult that is to do? I train all the time to exit my vehicle while bringing a handgun to bear and that's damned difficult. Now imagine something that measures just over one meter in length.
Those cops stumbled onto an operation in motion and the little Jihadi knew his number was up so he decided to execute on the spot. He apparently bought the weapons using the stolen identity he had. That the "girlfriend" used the stolen identity as a deception to throw the cops off the scent, automatically raises flags as to how planned all of this seems to be. Will any or all of this make it into the news? What do you think? Initial reports state the perp had "strong ties" to the Miami Muslim community, but they're a powerful entity and will suppress this, I'm sure.
Scary part? If there's one there's many. Imagine a packed mall the day after Thanksgiving. Imagine multiple cities and teams of well armed Jihadis. Now imagine how our government will react. Will they pull an Israel and encourage citizens to arm themselves and get training? Heck no. We'll be looking at all sorts of permanent gun bans and a situation like the sheep now face in the UK.
I was watching BBC America last night. One of our (my wife and I) favorite shows is MI-5. Perfect example of the benevolent despot. The sheep are disarmed and under constant video surveillance so that the "sheep herders" of the government can "keep them safe for their own good." The sheepdog is cut out of the equation. Last night's episode was very telling as one MI-5 operative had it out with a political superior over the intentional assassination by the gov't of a rogue army officer to simply silence dissent. The MI-5 guy said that if this is what the New World Order is all about then he's on the wrong side. He was promptly suspended. Next week is the season finale. This storyline is supposed to culminate in a cliff hanger. Ought to be interesting.
Actually being a cop isn't particularly dangerous. It varies from year to year, but usually commercial fishing, electrician, truck driver, construction work, landscaping, high steel, farming, commercial pilot, and sometimes convenience store clerk, etc. ALL have higher on the job mortalities than police work.
And, how many of those occupations have to fear AK-47's? For the record, I do know what you mean.