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Mayors Take Aim at Gun Violence
The (New Jersey) Times ^ | September 15, 2007 | Eva Loayza

Posted on 09/16/2007 2:40:13 PM PDT by flattorney

- - 38 leaders of cities meet in Trenton

TRENTON -- Just two days after an AK-47 assault rifle and several other weapons were confiscated from a city teenager and a Miami-Dade County police officer was shot and killed in Florida, mayors gathered in the capital city for the U.S. Conference of Mayors leadership meeting called attention to the country's growing problem with gun violence.

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KEYWORDS: assaultrifles; banglist; congress; crime; gungrabbers; mayors; police
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1 posted on 09/16/2007 2:40:14 PM PDT by flattorney
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To: flattorney
Miami Mayor Calls On Congress To Ban Assault Rifles
CBS 4 Miami
Sept 14, 2007
http://www.local10.com/news/14117135/detail.html

- - High-Powered Guns Choice Of Weapon For Violent Criminals, Experts Say

MIAMI -- The spray of bullets that killed one Miami-Dade County police officer and hurt three others came from something increasingly common on the city's streets. Miami's Mayor Manny Diaz is speaking out against the weapons and is asking Congress to renew a ban on assault weapons.

"Yesterday's events surrounding the death of a law enforcement officer and the injury of three others in South Florida, once again brings to our attention the dangerous rise of assault rifles in our streets," said Diaz in a statement. "These high powered weapons designed for war have no business in our streets and certainly no business in the hands of criminals who use them against our police and citizenry." High-powered assault weapons like the one believed to have been used in Thursday's attack are becoming the guns of choice for gang members and other violent criminals.

In 2005, the Miami-Dade Police Department reported two homicides involving an assault rifle; by last year there were 10. The department says 15 of its 79 homicides last year involved assault weapons, up from the year before. This year, already 12 of the 60 homicides have involved the high-powered guns.

"I have asked my fellow mayors who are gathered in Trenton, New Jersey, for a meeting of the United States Conference of Mayors leadership, to join me in once again calling on our Congressional leaders to renew the ban on assault weapons. Since the expiration of the ban, we have seen an upward spike in the number of assault weapons in our streets -- weapons that have been confiscated by our police and used to commit numerous crimes as the one used in yesterday's senseless murder."

Carlos Baixauli is a Miami-based special agent with the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives. He said the numbers reflect growing availability of the weapons and their elevation to a status symbol among gang members. He adds that the guns are readily available on streets or can be ordered by mail less than $200. "While we support the Constitutional rights of all Americans to own legally obtained weapons, we cannot risk that these highly deadly assault weapons fall into the hands of criminals. The choice is clear: we can rid our cities and streets of these assault weapons, thus making our streets safer, or we can continue to lament the loss of innocent lives as a result of their proliferation," said Diaz.

2 posted on 09/16/2007 2:41:51 PM PDT by flattorney (Fred for '08 Pres ~ See My FR Profile "Straight Talk" Page)
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To: flattorney
Go after the black market.
3 posted on 09/16/2007 2:45:34 PM PDT by wastedyears (George Orwell was a clairvoyant.)
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To: wastedyears
These high powered weapons

Sorry, but, an AK-47 is NOT "high powered".

4 posted on 09/16/2007 2:48:36 PM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: flattorney
It's not the guns it's the Moose Limbs!

5 posted on 09/16/2007 2:48:58 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (you shall know that I, YHvH, your Savior, and your Redeemer, am the Elohim of Ya'aqob. Isaiah 60:16)
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To: Puppage

I don’t mean to challenge your statement, but what would be considered high-powered?


6 posted on 09/16/2007 2:50:35 PM PDT by wastedyears (George Orwell was a clairvoyant.)
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To: flattorney

It’s the same broken record they played in 1994. The same old saws and lies.


7 posted on 09/16/2007 2:51:17 PM PDT by Sender ("Kill the terrorists, secure the border, and give me back my freedom.")
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To: wastedyears
I don’t mean to challenge your statement, but what would be considered high-powered?

A 30/06, .308 to name but a few.

8 posted on 09/16/2007 2:54:12 PM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: Puppage

So a Remington, okay.


9 posted on 09/16/2007 3:28:28 PM PDT by wastedyears (George Orwell was a clairvoyant.)
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To: flattorney
Growing availability? THis guy's an idiot.

All such purchases must go through an FFL, and that includes a background check, which would eliminate the clowns he's talking about. That includes any mail order item. Note that the murderer who bought the rifle was an illegal alien, that used a stolen ID to make the purchase.

10 posted on 09/16/2007 3:42:31 PM PDT by spunkets ("Freedom is about authority", Rudy Giuliani, gun grabber)
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"Carlos Baixauli is a Miami-based special agent with the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives. He said the numbers reflect growing availability of the weapons and their elevation to a status symbol among gang members. He adds that the guns are readily available on streets or can be ordered by mail less than $200."

gremlins grabbed the quote...

11 posted on 09/16/2007 3:44:16 PM PDT by spunkets ("Freedom is about authority", Rudy Giuliani, gun grabber)
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To: spunkets

What can I order for $200 by mail?

I might want a couple dozen or so.


12 posted on 09/16/2007 3:49:57 PM PDT by patton (cuiquam in sua arte credendum)
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To: wastedyears

I wonder what the gun control Nazi’s would consider a Browning Automatic Rifle? It doesn’t look like an assault rifle. Whoops, never mind, they can’t describe an assault rifle either, it’s a living thought, not a written specific description. High powered will eventually include Daisey B-B guns.


13 posted on 09/16/2007 3:54:12 PM PDT by BerryDingle
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To: BerryDingle

Hah, too right, sadly.


14 posted on 09/16/2007 3:58:39 PM PDT by wastedyears (George Orwell was a clairvoyant.)
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To: flattorney
Gun grabbing libs inspired by Michael Bloomberg

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

15 posted on 09/16/2007 4:01:34 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: flattorney
Just two days after an AK-47 assault rifle and several other weapons were confiscated from a city teenager

An AK-47 assault rifle?

Assuming the author isn't a liar, where did a teenager get a Class III selective-fire weapon?

16 posted on 09/16/2007 4:02:09 PM PDT by holymoly (Thompson/Hunter 2008)
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To: holymoly
He didn't, and the author is a liar.

It's almost certainly a Romanian WASR.

17 posted on 09/16/2007 4:10:25 PM PDT by tcostell (MOLON LABE)
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To: patton

I don’t know what the $200 rifles are. Check Shotgun News. I don’t expect much accuracy, or precision out of one of those, so I generally ignore those.


18 posted on 09/16/2007 4:13:49 PM PDT by spunkets ("Freedom is about authority", Rudy Giuliani, gun grabber)
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To: flattorney

I think we all knew this was coming. How can they be so stupid? Do they REALLY think that criminals are going to turn in their assault weapons? I have one, but you won’t see me out there shooting cops or anyone else because I’m not a criminal. That said, IF they ban them, THEN I will be a criminal, because I’m NOT turning it in to them. I simply do NOT trust the government any more.


19 posted on 09/16/2007 4:16:10 PM PDT by NRA2BFree (It*s time for "Tea Party II" This time we*ll meet at the border and toss Mexicans back over it.)
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To: spunkets

How does a private citizen mail order an AK-47 rifle??? Parts meeting BATFE requirements are available, but not the a functional rifle. This BATFE agent does not know the laws that he is suppose to enforce. Send him back to the academy for further training.


20 posted on 09/16/2007 4:17:28 PM PDT by Fee (An American empire can only be built by leaders with the stomach of Romans.)
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To: holymoly

what we REALLY need to ask is why is it MIAMI where these “magic ak-47”s appear? It seems just before a press opportunity one of these magically make the news.


21 posted on 09/16/2007 4:34:49 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: spunkets
" don’t know what the $200 rifles are. Check Shotgun News. I don’t expect much accuracy, or precision out of one of those, so I generally ignore those."

$200.00 will buy you an Curio & Relic SKS but you have to have a Federal C&R license to mail order it. BTW a euro made SKS rifle (7.62x39) is a more accurate shooter than most AK types.

22 posted on 09/16/2007 4:44:10 PM PDT by bruoz
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To: Fee
"How does a private citizen mail order an AK-47 rifle?"

You call the dealer, buy it, and have it shipped to your local FFL for pick-up and paperwork.

23 posted on 09/16/2007 4:54:23 PM PDT by spunkets ("Freedom is about authority", Rudy Giuliani, gun grabber)
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To: bruoz

See #23.


24 posted on 09/16/2007 4:56:06 PM PDT by spunkets ("Freedom is about authority", Rudy Giuliani, gun grabber)
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To: NRA2BFree
What's really funny, in a twisted sort of way, is that after the very stringent New Jersey ugly gun ban, the liberals found something new to go after. They went after police officers who arrested and/or shot minorities and they called it racial profiling.

So, when a black man throws his car into reverse and nearly runs over a (black) state trooper, who shoots into the van because he does not want to get run over, it is racial profiling.

The stupidity of the left is limitless. If we could use their mouths to turn a driveshaft, perpetual motion would be achieved.

25 posted on 09/16/2007 5:00:24 PM PDT by sig226 (New additions to the list of democrat criminals - see my profile)
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To: spunkets

Not for $200.00


26 posted on 09/16/2007 5:00:39 PM PDT by bruoz
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To: flattorney
Just two days after an AK-47 assault rifle and several other weapons were confiscated from a city teenager...

Not a Muslim Terrorist. Just your average, everyday teenager.

Gosh, you've got to love the Communist MSM and their lackies.

Can somebody please give me a newspaper so I can spew lies with impunity, too? I'm jealous.

27 posted on 09/16/2007 5:02:08 PM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free
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To: flattorney
The liberal mind: stuck at age six.


28 posted on 09/16/2007 5:14:41 PM PDT by Travis McGee (--www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com--)
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To: bruoz
"Not for $200.00"

That's the way it goes regardless of price. The local FFL usually charges ~$25 transfer fee.

29 posted on 09/16/2007 5:18:14 PM PDT by spunkets ("Freedom is about authority", Rudy Giuliani, gun grabber)
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To: flattorney

If guns were taken from law abiding citizens, the criminals will not turn in their weapons.

I think that is most frightening.


30 posted on 09/16/2007 5:20:37 PM PDT by dforest (Duncan Hunter is the best hope we have on both fronts.)
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To: wastedyears; Puppage
what would be considered high-powered?

Isn't it more the cartridge that is "high powered" than it is the rifle?

31 posted on 09/16/2007 5:26:03 PM PDT by FairWitness
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To: wastedyears

The young urban black male market. They have violent crime propensities that are very large multiples of the next most dangerous population segment.


32 posted on 09/16/2007 5:41:27 PM PDT by Wally_Kalbacken (Seldom right but never in doubt)
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To: Travis McGee

LOL that picture is crap. No 6 year old writes that good.


33 posted on 09/16/2007 5:46:22 PM PDT by wastedyears (George Orwell was a clairvoyant.)
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To: wastedyears

The cartoon is a parody, but a very good one. The dead giveaway is his name, a play on Chuckie Schumer.


34 posted on 09/16/2007 5:58:34 PM PDT by Travis McGee (--www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com--)
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To: wastedyears; Puppage

The round fired by the M-16 and AK-47 (5.56mm, and 7.62X39) are considered by gunnies to be medium powered. For example, it’s not legal in most states to hunt deer with a 5.56mm rifle.

The next military round up the scale would generally be .308 basically AKA 7.62NATO. This is almost as powerful as the old 30-06, which is high powered in anybody’s book.


35 posted on 09/16/2007 6:05:14 PM PDT by Travis McGee (--www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com--)
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To: Travis McGee

“This is almost as powerful as the old 30-06, which is high powered in anybody’s book.”

Actually, they’re pretty much even with a slight edge in velocity and accuracy at range to the 308. There’s a lot of empty space in a 30’06 case.


36 posted on 09/16/2007 6:11:06 PM PDT by Infidel1571
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To: Infidel1571

Question: I thought the AK-47 came in select fire semi-auto and full-auto only. Is there a AK-47 model that’s semi-auto only?


37 posted on 09/16/2007 6:55:56 PM PDT by Justeggsactly
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To: Justeggsactly
“Question: I thought the AK-47 came in select fire semi-auto and full-auto only. Is there a AK-47 model that’s semi-auto only?”

There aren’t any semi-auto AK-47s that I’m aware of. There ARE semi-auto copies like the WASR. Perhaps it is a narrow distinction.

38 posted on 09/16/2007 7:34:54 PM PDT by Infidel1571
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To: spunkets

You know that, I know that, but the way it came across to the media, a citizen can mail order and receive an AK-47 rifle from a factory.


39 posted on 09/16/2007 8:00:50 PM PDT by Fee (An American empire can only be built by leaders with the stomach of Romans.)
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To: Fee
That's right. They're out to con the public, so they'll be using lies and 1/8 truths as tools. The '94 ban itself only made flash suppressors and bayonet lugs illegal. THey're not going to tell that truth, because their goal is to demonize gun owners as closet terrorists. The turd that went on this rampage dumped his rifle early on, in preference for the 9mm he had.

If the low life clowns had any honor, they'd be IDing the real failures that allowed this guy to even be in the US. He was an llegal, that jumped bond from a prior arrest in '92 for armed violence. He never should have been out on bond, and should have been deported after the case was over. They'd also be going after those that have given probable cause that they're involved in criminal activity-like breakiing the gun laws they have on the books.

40 posted on 09/16/2007 8:42:32 PM PDT by spunkets ("Freedom is about authority", Rudy Giuliani, gun grabber)
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To: Travis McGee
The next military round up the scale would generally be .308 basically AKA 7.62NATO. This is almost as powerful as the old 30-06, which is high powered in anybody’s book.

Except the .50 caliber shooters, who consider it a Mouse Round. To each his own. Or in my case, all to me. I like 'em all, from .22 rim-fire to .50 BMG. (and beyond).

41 posted on 09/16/2007 9:27:22 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: Fee
This BATFE agent does not know the laws that he is suppose to enforce. Send him back to the academy for further training.

He's probably had the "advanced course". BATFE agents are the slime at the bottom of the law enforcement barrel.

42 posted on 09/16/2007 9:28:38 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: flattorney
He adds that the guns are readily available on streets or can be ordered by mail less than $200.

Oh Really!. Of course beside the fact that it would be federal felony to buy or sell one that way, the prices for all the AK clones I've seen in Shotgun news are well above that. Maybe he'd thinking of the SKS which fires the same cartridge, but has a fixed magazine, 10 rounds IIRC (You'd think I'd know but mine has been sitting in the safe for far too long.)

But even the SKS can not legally be ordered by mail.. well unless you have it shipped to your local Federal Firearms Licensed dealer, paying him a fee to handle the background check and other paperwork.

43 posted on 09/16/2007 9:32:15 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: NRA2BFree

“I simply do NOT trust the government any more.”

Nor should you.


44 posted on 09/16/2007 9:34:36 PM PDT by ought-six ("Give me liberty, or give me death!")
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To: sig226

“The stupidity of the left is limitless.”

Isn’t it, though?


45 posted on 09/16/2007 9:37:09 PM PDT by ought-six ("Give me liberty, or give me death!")
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To: Justeggsactly

Take the select fire parts out of an AK receiver, make sure there is no hole for a pin to mount auto sear and you have a semi-auto AK. Manufacturers tried to call them SARs (Semi-Auto Rifle) but the name didn’t really catch on.


46 posted on 09/16/2007 9:43:27 PM PDT by Nachoman (My guns and my ammo, they comfort me.)
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To: flattorney
In 2005, the Miami-Dade Police Department reported two homicides involving an assault rifle; by last year there were 10

So where are the criminals getting the full auto/burst fire Assault rifles? Manufacture or importation of of those for civilian use has been banned in the US since 1986.

Or is the Miami-Dade PD blowing smoke out of their asses? Do they know the meanings of the words spewing from their mouths and press releases? Hmm?

47 posted on 09/16/2007 9:43:52 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: BerryDingle
I wonder what the gun control Nazi’s would consider a Browning Automatic Rifle?

A Bonnie and Clyde gun? Never mind that it was even more of a favorite of the Law officers who ambushed and killed Bonnie and Clyde, and lots of others as well.

OTOH, it's really too bad old Miller didn't have a BAR or Thompson to guard his still with, instead of a ratty old Savage sawed off shotgun. Even the Chief Justice of the United States Supreme Court would likely have found himself able to take judicial notice that those were militarily useful weapons, which could contribute to the effectiveness of a well regulated militia.

48 posted on 09/16/2007 9:48:22 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: El Gato

“But even the SKS can not legally be ordered by mail.. well unless you have it shipped to your local Federal Firearms Licensed dealer, paying him a fee to handle the background check and other paperwork.”

A C&R license is your friend.


49 posted on 09/16/2007 10:01:43 PM PDT by Infidel1571
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To: flattorney
Carlos Baixauli is a Miami-based special agent with the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.

Carlos is also a deceptive bitch.

By blurring the lines between truth, fiction, deception and withholding information, the ATF, certain Mayors and Chiefs of police can convince a gullible public that there are too many "assault weapons" on the streets.

To the lurkers: what you never hear them say is what they consider to be an assault weapon. What you never hear them say is that a *federal firearms license holder* can certainly mail order WHAT THE ATF CONSIDERS TO BE AN ASSAULT WEAPON!! which are typically what ground troops used before 1960. Ma and Pa Kettle AND you and I are not so lucky. We must purchase ours somewhere other than mail-order. So we are talking about single shot, bolt-action rifles for the most part. So these assault weapons they speak of are of the same caliber but certainly not as accurate as your Uncle Gomez's deer gun.

50 posted on 09/16/2007 10:03:24 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (No buy China!!)
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