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Too Fat? Southwest Airlines Forces Hefty Frequent Flier to Buy Two Seats
Breitbart.tv ^ | 09/16/07

Posted on 09/16/2007 6:11:32 PM PDT by MotleyGirl70

“And the lady stops and says, ‘Sir, you need to have another ticket.’ And I said what for and she said, ‘because of your size.' I hate to admit it but I was in tears.”

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TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: airlines; fat; obese; obesity; southwestairlines; swa
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1 posted on 09/16/2007 6:11:35 PM PDT by MotleyGirl70
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To: MotleyGirl70

In before the “I exercise at the gym four hours a day and have a perfect body” types show up.


2 posted on 09/16/2007 6:13:05 PM PDT by HungarianGypsy
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To: MotleyGirl70
Ahh.... Southwest “Americas Airline” you couldn't pay me to fly with them
3 posted on 09/16/2007 6:13:48 PM PDT by cmsgop (Hillary's Milkshake is better than Your's, She could teach you, but you would rather go blind.......)
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To: MotleyGirl70

I was on a flight to Nassau and I am glad the plan was empty because the woman who would have sat beside me took up about 25% of my seat.


4 posted on 09/16/2007 6:14:37 PM PDT by Perdogg (democrat party - the political wing of Al Qaeda.)
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To: MotleyGirl70
I can't wait til they charge supermodels double for distracting looks!

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

5 posted on 09/16/2007 6:14:54 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: MotleyGirl70

Too fat...too much skin...you just can’t win with this airline.


6 posted on 09/16/2007 6:15:49 PM PDT by NittanyLion
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To: MotleyGirl70

Couldn’t they just stow him below with the baggage?

Personally, I exercise at the gym four hours a day and have a perfect body.


7 posted on 09/16/2007 6:16:05 PM PDT by frankjr
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To: MotleyGirl70

I think if a person fills two seats, they should buy two seats, if the plane is going to be full.

If it’s not, and there’s room to seat the passenger where he or she will not inconvenience someone else, I say no harm, no foul.


8 posted on 09/16/2007 6:16:29 PM PDT by SandyInSeattle (Some people are like slinkys, the idea of them tumbling down a flight of stairs makes you smile.)
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To: MotleyGirl70

Why don’t they start charging by the weight or size? Makes sense. Airplanes have both weight and volume to contend with.


9 posted on 09/16/2007 6:17:25 PM PDT by Frohickey
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To: HungarianGypsy
Mr. Hill weighed 435 pounds.
10 posted on 09/16/2007 6:17:36 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 (Waiting for Samson)
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To: frankjr

ROFL!! Thanks for the laugh.


11 posted on 09/16/2007 6:18:05 PM PDT by HungarianGypsy
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To: MotleyGirl70

The overweight didn’t stand up for my right to smoke on the plane.


12 posted on 09/16/2007 6:19:01 PM PDT by mysterio
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To: af_vet_1981

So what should be the tipping point?


13 posted on 09/16/2007 6:20:05 PM PDT by Past Your Eyes (Some people are too stupid to be ashamed.)
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To: Frohickey
Why don’t they start charging by the weight or size? Makes sense. Airplanes have both weight and volume to contend with.

It might make sense if they sold variable size seats but with the current configuration it is reasonable to have an obese passenger who would intrude on their neighbor's seat space to purchase two seats.

14 posted on 09/16/2007 6:20:17 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 (Waiting for Samson)
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To: Perdogg
Yup. If he was, say, slightly overweight 250# or so, I'd give him some sympathy. As it was, he was 435#. The Southwest standard that you have to be able to lower the armrest seems quite reasonable.

Either that or negotiate with a skinny person to pay for the 25% of your seat they are taking.

However, in the case of a 435# guy, I think they would be taking closer to 50%. Even Twiggy couldn't fit on half a seat.

15 posted on 09/16/2007 6:20:40 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Are there any men left in Washington? Or are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud)
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To: HungarianGypsy
I know I know. I know what you mean. I cannot get to the video but just going by the wording above - to me this is a nonstory. Frankly I thought it was standard procedure to require a big passenger to buy two seats. Or I guess even three or ten if necessary. So what. I don’t get the newsworthiness of this.
16 posted on 09/16/2007 6:20:54 PM PDT by A knight without armor
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To: cmsgop

Great! That means the seat you might have been in will be empty and I can slop over into it.


17 posted on 09/16/2007 6:21:11 PM PDT by Past Your Eyes (Some people are too stupid to be ashamed.)
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To: Past Your Eyes
So what should be the tipping point?

When they intrude on another passenger's seat, but the airline agent needs to make that judgment call before it happens. One can always try to avoid that possibility by managing their weight.

18 posted on 09/16/2007 6:22:24 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 (Waiting for Samson)
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To: af_vet_1981

i’ve been stuck on the last row of a plane, aisle seat, while people waited to use the bathroom. you can’t believe the number of large fannies that were stuck in my face. i don’t think it’s fair if i have to be squashed bcause someone else eats too many cheetohs.


19 posted on 09/16/2007 6:22:58 PM PDT by wildwood
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To: mysterio
The overweight didn’t stand up for my right to smoke on the plane.

Nor should they. My company just paid $8000 for a last minute business class round trip ticket for me from Paris to New York (can you say, rip off?). For that kind of money, I shouldn't have to put up with a chain smoking 430 pound guy oozing over the armrest into my seat. If I'm wrong, please explain why.

20 posted on 09/16/2007 6:23:32 PM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: mysterio

Solution: Put all those fatties in adjacent seats. Sit them next to each other. Watch the fun!


21 posted on 09/16/2007 6:24:30 PM PDT by Justeggsactly
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To: goldstategop
I can't wait til they charge supermodels double for distracting looks!

I have very sad news for you buddy... they are already covering the girls up with blankets...

22 posted on 09/16/2007 6:24:41 PM PDT by John123 ("What good fortune for the governments that the people do not think" -- Adolf Hitler)
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To: frankjr

Lol. Well-played my FRiend.


23 posted on 09/16/2007 6:24:48 PM PDT by MotleyGirl70 (Go Packers!)
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To: MotleyGirl70

Not the first time anything like this has happened.


24 posted on 09/16/2007 6:25:22 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: Frohickey

I’m with you. My 100-pound daughter was charged $70 for overweight luggage while some 400 pounder gets to board at no extra cost.


25 posted on 09/16/2007 6:25:35 PM PDT by Andyman (The truth shall make you freep.)
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To: mysterio

That is not true. A lot did.

Smokers themselves did not win the battle either.


26 posted on 09/16/2007 6:25:53 PM PDT by A knight without armor
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To: MotleyGirl70
Check the last panel of the September 15, 2007, Opus cartoon here:

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27 posted on 09/16/2007 6:26:06 PM PDT by Thud
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To: MotleyGirl70
Just looking at this logically.

He was ready to board.

He had gone to the gate.

The ticket that he was forced to buy, had no been purchased (and in all likelyhood, would not have).

So, question to all Freepers out there.

Was he just forced to buy a ticket, that would have otherwise gone unsold?

And to accomadate him and anyone else, couldn't he simply have switched seats with someone who was next to an empty seat? This is assuming, he was not already going to be seated next to any empty seat.

28 posted on 09/16/2007 6:26:18 PM PDT by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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To: af_vet_1981

Looks like they made a mountain out of a droll Hill.

Look, we may not want to admit it, but 435 pounds is two people. If the guy is going to cause undue discomfort for other passengers to the point they can’t put anyone next to him, he should pay extra.

I will say that the plain must be full before that route should be taken. Even one extra seat would be enough for him to forgo having to pay double.


29 posted on 09/16/2007 6:27:33 PM PDT by DoughtyOne ((Victory will never be achieved while defining Conservatism downward, and forsaking its heritage.))
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To: SandyInSeattle
I think if a person fills two seats, they should buy two seats, if the plane is going to be full

Considering he was at the boarding gate, they basically made him buy a ticket for a seat that had not been sold.

30 posted on 09/16/2007 6:27:35 PM PDT by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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To: cmsgop

My mom flew for the first time a few years ago and she said the guy next her was rather chubby and his fat was overflowing into her space. It didn’t make for a pleasant flight.


31 posted on 09/16/2007 6:27:35 PM PDT by MotleyGirl70 (Go Packers!)
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To: MotleyGirl70
Good. I seem to get the center seat between two of these guys below sometimes, and 6 hour flights with them last forever!


32 posted on 09/16/2007 6:27:39 PM PDT by traditional1 ( Fred Thompson-The ONLY electable Republican Candidate)
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To: MotleyGirl70
I've always thought to be fair to everyone, they should sell tickets by weight: passenger + luggage.

(And I'm 6'3" and weigh more than average if you're wondering.)

33 posted on 09/16/2007 6:28:01 PM PDT by Sooth2222 ("We have met the enemy and he is us." -Pogo)
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To: Past Your Eyes
Great! That means the seat you might have been in will be empty and I can slop over into it.

Be my guest, I'll even give you $5 so you can have the Non-Allergenic snack of the day....
34 posted on 09/16/2007 6:28:33 PM PDT by cmsgop (Hillary's Milkshake is better than Your's, She could teach you, but you would rather go blind.......)
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To: MotleyGirl70

Put a supersized person on every flight, give ‘em 2 seats, and make ‘em an Honorary Air Marshal. They get to sit on any terrorist/hijacker/nutcase/drunk for the duration of the flight.


35 posted on 09/16/2007 6:28:36 PM PDT by LibFreeOrDie (L'Chaim!)
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To: MotleyGirl70

What if someone is really tall and their knees go into the seat in front? Do they need two tickets too?


36 posted on 09/16/2007 6:29:15 PM PDT by Koblenz (The Dem Platform, condensed: 1. Tax and Spend. 2. Cut and Run. 3. Man on Man)
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To: Sonny M

On Southwest, you can sit anywhere there’s an empty seat as you trundle down the aisle.


37 posted on 09/16/2007 6:29:33 PM PDT by Past Your Eyes (Some people are too stupid to be ashamed.)
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To: DoughtyOne

I leave that choice to the airline. SouthWest does tend to fill its planes. I would rather fly on an airline that asserts its reasonable authority on its flights so as not to inconvenience the majority of its passengers.


38 posted on 09/16/2007 6:30:43 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 (Waiting for Samson)
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To: MotleyGirl70
If I was in charge of running an airline I would sell tickets by the pound. Here is an aviation bottom line, “weight and balance”. Given this, you can “hold” a seat for a down payment. When you get to the check in counter, step on that scale. You will either be charged more for your weight, or given a refund if you come in under your deposit.

With this plan, no one can cry discrimination,. All passengers pay per the pound.

39 posted on 09/16/2007 6:30:45 PM PDT by chaos_5 (... I'm just another angry white male ...)
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To: Alter Kaker
My company just paid $8000 for a last minute business class round trip ticket for me from Paris to New York (can you say, rip off?). For that kind of money, I shouldn't have to put up with a chain smoking 430 pound guy oozing over the armrest into my seat. If I'm wrong, please explain why.

Your right, except I don't think thats what happened here.

By the fact that he was ready to board, and was told to (and able to) purchase an additional seat, implies they had at least one, unsold seat.

If they have empty seats, why make him pay for two?

I believe they did it, simply because they could.

40 posted on 09/16/2007 6:30:51 PM PDT by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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To: af_vet_1981

Mr. Hill weighed 435 pounds.


And everytime I fly I sit between him and his twin brother!


41 posted on 09/16/2007 6:31:04 PM PDT by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: Sonny M

“(and in all likelyhood, would not have).”

Really? Southwest usually flies packed. That’s the whole idea.


42 posted on 09/16/2007 6:32:05 PM PDT by gcruse (...now I have to feed the dog as if nothing has happened.)
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To: traditional1
That guy looks just like the one who runs our dump recycling center and transfer station.
43 posted on 09/16/2007 6:32:05 PM PDT by Past Your Eyes (Some people are too stupid to be ashamed.)
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To: frankjr

I have a brother-in-law who ADMITS to 525#. Believe me, no one would want to be seated next to him on a flight. I have watched people sit between the armrests and sort of pause as the flesh remolds itself and flows UNDER the armrest and into the aisle.

Buy two seats. Please.


44 posted on 09/16/2007 6:32:21 PM PDT by trimom
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To: MotleyGirl70

People who object to this 1. don’t fly and 2. have never had to sit next to an obese slob whose flab was oozing over the armrests.


45 posted on 09/16/2007 6:33:15 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: goldstategop

no they will charge extra to sit next to them.


46 posted on 09/16/2007 6:33:42 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: SandyInSeattle
Amen to your statement. If you've ever been forced to give up from 25% to 33% of your seat to a person who cannot fit within the arm rests, use their seat belt without an extender or lower the table top, you understand what SW is attempting to do.

I have had such an event occur and the same airline and flight attendants that refused to let me fly with one leg in a cast and the arm rest of the empty adjacent seat raised "for safety reasons" -- permitted the obese person to pull up the arm rest before being seated, required a seat belt extender, then proceeded to place their drink on my table top, as my "seat mate" was unable to lower hers. I believe that happened because I happen to be 5' 1" and weigh 104 lbs so they assumed I did NOT NEED a whole seat to myself.

There will be no next time, for that ever again to happen!!! I'll demand a seat in first class, a different seat for the person using my seat as well as his/hers, or he/she purchase two seats, as long as they require that much room!

47 posted on 09/16/2007 6:34:27 PM PDT by zerosix (<P>t)
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To: Past Your Eyes
So what should be the tipping point?

When he oozes over into my seat.

48 posted on 09/16/2007 6:35:11 PM PDT by glorgau
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To: Sonny M

“I believe they did it, simply because they could.”

There could have been standby fliers who would have taken the seat, or not boarded if the fat guy opted for it.


49 posted on 09/16/2007 6:35:49 PM PDT by gcruse (...now I have to feed the dog as if nothing has happened.)
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To: af_vet_1981
Mr. Hill weighed 435 pounds.

OMG that is almost the same as 3 grown men.

50 posted on 09/16/2007 6:36:07 PM PDT by expatguy (Support Conservative Blogging - "An American Expat in Southeast Asia")
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