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Global ocean temperatures drop to coldest in 6 1/2 years
vanity based on Data from NOAA ^ | 9.17.07 | Dangus

Posted on 09/17/2007 11:13:01 AM PDT by dangus

The temperature of the ocean has cooled 0.2 degrees C in the past few of years, and is now only 0.1 degrees C warmer than it was throughout much of 1944. This data set had been showing a general warming trend since the late 1970s, (as well as a warming trend from the 1910s through the mid 1940s) with the warmest time being recorded in the El Nino year of 1998.

Despite temperatures peaking in 1998, it's been reasonable to describe the temperature trend as continuing, since 1998 at the time was a flukishly hot spell. Since 1998, the "normal" trend line approached what had been flukishly warm.

The reversal to cooler temperatures is not yet long or strong enough to discredit global warming completely... by a long shot. However, global warming alarmists had been warning that global warming had dramatically accelerated in the past couple decades; although ocean temperatures had risen a mere degree over the last century, the alarmists had warned of an increasing rate of warming, or even an increasing rate of an increasing rate of warming, suggesting the next century could see temperatures increase by several degrees.

Although this data is still consistent with a long, gradual trend of increasing ocean temperatures, it is not consistent with any sudden accelerations in warming trends.

My source is a data table at the NOAA, which could not be linked to directly, since it is available over file transfer protocol (FTP), not hypertext transfer protocol (HTTP). This is the link: ftp://ftp.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/anomalies/monthly.ocean.90S.90N.df_1901-2000mean.dat It may be accessed from the bottom of the page I linked to in the source field, under "The Monthly Global Ocean Temperature Anomalies (degrees C)." My source is purely the data; the web page from which I derived it has not been updated to reflect any updated data.


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1 posted on 09/17/2007 11:13:04 AM PDT by dangus
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To: dangus

Would this lead to a decrease of rainfall? A couple weeks ago an article said rainfall was increasing over the oceans and decreasing over land.


2 posted on 09/17/2007 11:14:57 AM PDT by RightWhale (Snow above 2000')
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To: dangus

global warming alert


3 posted on 09/17/2007 11:15:13 AM PDT by Always Right
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To: dangus

XCAMEL is on vacation this week. Who has the Ping List?..........


4 posted on 09/17/2007 11:16:01 AM PDT by Red Badger (ALL that CARBON in ALL that oil & coal was once in the atmospere. We're just putting it back!)
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To: dangus

Bush’s fault!


5 posted on 09/17/2007 11:16:27 AM PDT by DaveyB (Ignorance is part of the human condition - atheism makes it permanent!)
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To: dangus

Must be all that melting ice?


6 posted on 09/17/2007 11:16:29 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: dangus
See, jerks. Driving around in my Prius is having some effect.

Owl_Eagle

If what I just wrote made you sad or angry,
it was probably just a joke.

7 posted on 09/17/2007 11:16:51 AM PDT by South Hawthorne (In Memory of my Dear Friend Henry Lee II)
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To: dangus
Since 1998, the "normal" trend line approached what had been flukishly warm.

I wish I had a PhD. This science lingo goes right over my head.

8 posted on 09/17/2007 11:17:16 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The broken wall, the burning roof and tower. And Agamemnon dead.)
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To: dangus

One of the main tenets of Al Gore’s Bible, is that as the North Pole Icecap recedes, the suns direct rays on the water will heat the world’s oceans. If the polar cap is melting, another of Al’s predictions will have been shot to hell.

It is, and it was.


9 posted on 09/17/2007 11:17:32 AM PDT by DoughtyOne ((Victory will never be achieved while defining Conservatism downward, and forsaking its heritage.))
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To: Owl_Eagle

You drive in the ocean?............


10 posted on 09/17/2007 11:17:35 AM PDT by Red Badger (ALL that CARBON in ALL that oil & coal was once in the atmospere. We're just putting it back!)
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To: Always Right

11 posted on 09/17/2007 11:17:42 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: DoughtyOne

There’s your definition of “it” Bill.


12 posted on 09/17/2007 11:18:07 AM PDT by DoughtyOne ((Victory will never be achieved while defining Conservatism downward, and forsaking its heritage.))
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To: dangus
Here in Panama City, FL our Gulf of Mexico water temps are normally 87 - 88 degrees this time of the year.

This year they are ranging 84 - 85 degrees.

Since the Gulf temp directly affects our winter temps (acts as a heat sink & releases it in winter), we may be in for some "Local Cooling".

13 posted on 09/17/2007 11:18:11 AM PDT by capt. norm (Be thankful we're not getting all the government we're paying for.)
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To: ClearCase_guy
...the "normal" trend line approached what had been flukishly warm.

Means the fish are getting warm, but it's solely for the halibut............

14 posted on 09/17/2007 11:19:38 AM PDT by Red Badger (ALL that CARBON in ALL that oil & coal was once in the atmospere. We're just putting it back!)
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To: dangus

Obviously Dr. Hansen hasn’t adjusted this data yet.


15 posted on 09/17/2007 11:20:25 AM PDT by palmer
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To: dangus
Although this data is these data are still consistent with a long, gradual trend...
16 posted on 09/17/2007 11:20:43 AM PDT by rfp1234 (Nothing is better than eternal happiness. A ham sandwich is better than nothing. Therefore...)
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To: dangus

Can’t be (LOL)

It’s global warming time!

;)


17 posted on 09/17/2007 11:21:22 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God) .)
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To: capt. norm

Howdy neighbor! from Ft. Walton............


18 posted on 09/17/2007 11:21:29 AM PDT by Red Badger (ALL that CARBON in ALL that oil & coal was once in the atmospere. We're just putting it back!)
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To: Red Badger

A cod-awful pun.


19 posted on 09/17/2007 11:21:54 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The broken wall, the burning roof and tower. And Agamemnon dead.)
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To: ClearCase_guy; Red Badger

This info is just a red herring.


20 posted on 09/17/2007 11:23:27 AM PDT by Disambiguator (What's the temperature, Albert?)
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To: dangus

Report to rehab.


21 posted on 09/17/2007 11:23:41 AM PDT by cll (Carthage must be destroyed)
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To: ClearCase_guy

I never flounder around when it comes to puns............


22 posted on 09/17/2007 11:23:49 AM PDT by Red Badger (ALL that CARBON in ALL that oil & coal was once in the atmospere. We're just putting it back!)
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To: dangus

Now ya’ll know that global warming can cause either warming or cooling, Right. I mean no matter what happens the global warming crowd is right. Do you understand? It’s important that you understand!


23 posted on 09/17/2007 11:24:24 AM PDT by ontap (Just another backstabbing conservative)
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To: RightWhale

Moisture moving from sea to land is one way of transfering heat energy to land. Since the cooling trend is less pronounced on land, I’d see that as more likely to result from more rain on land, not less. But none such pattern could be established from a very short-term reversal in a trend.

BUT: I personally believe that a very slight trend in global warming was suppressed in the post-war boom by massive production of particulate pollution, which has been proven to cause aerosols (liquid droplets suspended in air), which have been proved to create clouds, which reflect heat. Indeed, the amount of light energy reaching the surface of the Earth has increased dramatically, commensurate with the recent-but-halted reduction of particluate pollution (mid 1970s through to late 1990s) and also commensurate with the recent surge in global temperatures (1978-1998). I suppose that more aerosols mean clouds can contain more moisture, and hence carry it overland better. If you reduce the aerosols, you increase the amount of moisture condensing on each particle, and you cause rain to occur closer to the source of the moisture, which is the ocean. But that’s just my reasoning; I haven’t seen anything in particular to validate it.


24 posted on 09/17/2007 11:26:13 AM PDT by dangus
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To: Red Badger

The Halibut is that neither do I.


25 posted on 09/17/2007 11:26:17 AM PDT by ontap (Just another backstabbing conservative)
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To: dangus

Damn global warming again. It’s turning both our oceans and atmosphere into Arctic conditions.


26 posted on 09/17/2007 11:26:57 AM PDT by Mr. Mojo ("Hidin' in a corner ...of New York City, lookin' down a .44 in West Virginy")
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To: dangus

The only thing I can figure out, the last guy who did the measurement must have peed in the water first.


27 posted on 09/17/2007 11:27:06 AM PDT by Always Right
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To: dangus

Where are all the hurricanes this year


28 posted on 09/17/2007 11:27:24 AM PDT by uncbob (m first)
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To: dangus
Current ocean temps are certainly below normal with the Arctic being just about the only warmer than normal area. Very cold in the Antarctic area given the record amount of sea ice this year.

La Nina conditions in the Eastern Pacific seem to be strengthening.


29 posted on 09/17/2007 11:29:01 AM PDT by JustDoItAlways
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To: dangus

What happened to global warming? If the Goreacle says something, it must be true.


30 posted on 09/17/2007 11:29:04 AM PDT by wastedyears (George Orwell was a clairvoyant.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Are you being sarcastic? I was trying to avoid lingo, and what you quote is a very clumsy wording. Or is “trend line” what you are calling lingo? It’s a lousy mix of lingo and hack wording, I suppose.


31 posted on 09/17/2007 11:29:05 AM PDT by dangus
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To: Disambiguator
Global ocean temperatures drop to coldest in 6 1/2 years

What about pools??

32 posted on 09/17/2007 11:29:45 AM PDT by GOP_Raider ("I guess I like to do things that bother people." -Urban Meyer)
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To: DaveyB

Illegal aliens cooling the oceans Americans won’t cool.


33 posted on 09/17/2007 11:29:58 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler ("A person's a person no matter how small." -Dr. Seuss)
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To: Owl_Eagle

LOL!!!!!!!


34 posted on 09/17/2007 11:32:11 AM PDT by Rick.Donaldson (http://realitycheck.blogsome.com - and yes, yes, I'm a "FredHead". Fred Thompson for Prez.)
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To: GOP_Raider

You want shriknage? I'll give you shrikage:


35 posted on 09/17/2007 11:32:52 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler ("A person's a person no matter how small." -Dr. Seuss)
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To: rfp1234

No, actually I meant “this data,” as in “all this spaghetti,” not as in “all these spaghetti.” It is considered proper to refer to a collection of data as data.


36 posted on 09/17/2007 11:33:05 AM PDT by dangus
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To: Red Badger; honolulugal

Ping


37 posted on 09/17/2007 11:33:19 AM PDT by OKSooner
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To: dangus

I was being sarcastic. I would not consider “flukishly warm” to be a useful scientific phrase. Also, it seems like the “normal” trend is approaching the abnormal or “flukish” range, which seems — shall we say — odd.


38 posted on 09/17/2007 11:33:40 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The broken wall, the burning roof and tower. And Agamemnon dead.)
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To: dangus
Karl Rove has gone to full-time operation of the Global Weather Manipulation Machine.

Eeeeexcelent.

39 posted on 09/17/2007 11:34:13 AM PDT by TChris (Has anyone under Mitt Romney's leadership ever been worse off because he is Mormon?)
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To: JustDoItAlways

Actually, the impressive part is that you’re looking at data which include all liquid ocean parts, I believe. So, it’s including more of the Arctic, which is warmer than usual, and less of the Antarctic, which is colder.


40 posted on 09/17/2007 11:34:45 AM PDT by dangus
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To: Puppage

41 posted on 09/17/2007 11:34:45 AM PDT by crazyshrink
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To: OKSooner

It was my fault. We haven’t been fishing much this summer. My wife’s been sick. Maybe I can warm up the waters with a new boat?.................


42 posted on 09/17/2007 11:36:42 AM PDT by Red Badger (ALL that CARBON in ALL that oil & coal was once in the atmospere. We're just putting it back!)
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To: ClearCase_guy

“Also, it seems like the “normal” trend is approaching the abnormal or “flukish” range, which seems — shall we say — odd.”

Come on: To be fair, I was referring to what HAD been abnormal, and seemed to be becoming normal.


43 posted on 09/17/2007 11:37:01 AM PDT by dangus
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To: dangus
It must be true. Gore is moonlighting!!

44 posted on 09/17/2007 11:42:24 AM PDT by crazyshrink
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To: dangus
Global ocean temperatures drop to coldest in 6 1/2 years...

These scientists claiming that ocean temps are dropping are NOT on the ball here. What they should be doing is claiming that there is a process of "Global Ocean Temp Change" (man-induced) going on. This in turn is driving "Global Climate Change". That way, they are covered for the following four cases:

1. Ocean temps rise causes global warming, or

2. Ocean temps rise causes global cooling, or

3. Ocean temps fall causes global warming, or

4. Ocean temps fall causes global cooling.

Gotta cover your bases if you want to continue your grant research!

45 posted on 09/17/2007 11:43:09 AM PDT by C210N
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To: JustDoItAlways

yeah, check out the La Nina almost reaching Australia. The wierd part: La Ninas normally form as the rebound of an El Nino. There wasn’t much of an El Nino before this La Nina.


46 posted on 09/17/2007 11:43:27 AM PDT by dangus
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To: Owl_Eagle
"See, jerks. Driving around in my Prius is having some effect."

How arrogant of you Owl_Eagle!

Everyone knows it's because I'm taking shorter showers and only buying local produce.

47 posted on 09/17/2007 11:48:18 AM PDT by libs_kma (www.imwithfred.com)
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To: dangus

Global Oceans colder ! !

Really? Has the ice pack in what is about to become a usable NorthWest Passage been memoed?


48 posted on 09/17/2007 11:52:54 AM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principle)
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To: Owl_Eagle
See, jerks. Driving around in my Prius is having some effect.

You might want to drive an old pickup on the weekends or something, before we're shoveling snow in August.

49 posted on 09/17/2007 11:53:54 AM PDT by Charles Martel (The Tree of Liberty thirsts.)
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To: capt. norm

Opposite here in the keys


50 posted on 09/17/2007 11:55:53 AM PDT by italianquaker (Is there anything Ron Paul doesn't blame the USA for?)
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