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Trapped in Iraq, Bush targets Iran next [Pat Buchanan]
Recordpub ^ | September 17, 2007 | Pat Buchanan

Posted on 09/18/2007 9:23:19 AM PDT by SJackson

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To: ChinaThreat
The mistake we made in Iraq, was occupying with boots on the ground. I think we should level Iran’s millitary and civilian infrastructure. No need to occupy.

It wasn't a mistake. It was and is difficult, yes, but definitely not a mistake. From a strategic perspective it was absolutely crucial that we create a viable bridgehead next to Iran.

With several hundred thousand boots on the ground in Afghanistan and Iraq, we've got the means to mount a credible campaign against Iran.

Without Iraq, we'd have no strategic advantage in the region.

41 posted on 09/18/2007 11:37:29 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: Congressman Billybob

As long as the POS stays on MSNBC nobody will hear him anyway.


42 posted on 09/18/2007 11:39:35 AM PDT by mimaw
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To: ChinaThreat
Actually, Iran won’t use a nuclear weapon against us directly once they obtain it. Instead, they will employ a proxy. I imagine that the first target will be Israel. Israel will retaliate in kind and that will absolutely turn the Middle East into a burning hell.
43 posted on 09/18/2007 11:41:58 AM PDT by FlipWilson
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To: jveritas

It is not appeasement and are you calling the Generals an appeaser(s).

It worked with the USSR and it is currently working with China, India, and Pakistan.

You can’t start wars with everyone you don’t like but you sure can make life hell for them in the mean time with strong sanctions from the international community. That is how we handled, Iraq for 14 years.


44 posted on 09/18/2007 1:11:40 PM PDT by LM_Guy
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To: r9etb

You are correct.... Assuming we need boots on the ground in Iran. I would argue the opposite. Our boots on the ground will be a liability because of theater ballistic missiles in Iran’s arsenal and their WMD capability.

Two carrier groups and air bases in theater would be more than enough to take out the estimated 2000 targets needed to cripple Iran.

I think you are missing my entire point. WE DON’T NEED BOOTS ON THE GROUND. Screw this nation building crap. We should simply destroy our enemies. Not build them up. That is one of the reason’s i voted for W. He promised, “no nation building”.

We have a conventional capability that would allow us to cripple the Iranians without putting our ground forces in harm’s way. Occupying Iran is an absolutely ludicrous idea. We are stretched in Iraq. Iran would require at least a million troops to occupy.


45 posted on 09/18/2007 1:33:49 PM PDT by ChinaThreat (s)
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To: LM_Guy
From my reading up on Iran, only a very few in Iran's leadership circles believes this to be true.

To paraphrase the recent remarks of the always trenchant William F. Buckley Jr.: Between 1939 and 1945 only a handful of Germans apparently believed that Hitler's "Final Solution" was a terrific idea.

But how many millions perished as a result of that handful of fanatics?

46 posted on 09/18/2007 1:35:56 PM PDT by AmericanExceptionalist (Democrats believe in discussing the full spectrum of ideas, all the way from far left to center-left)
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To: LM_Guy

John Abizaid is a dummy. Period. Iran seeks to usher in the Imam by destroying Israel with a nuclear weapon. These people don’t fear death-they think they go to heaven and get 72 virgins if they kill infidels. John Abizaid is truly a clueless dolt. A nuclear armed Iran is NOT an option.


47 posted on 09/18/2007 1:41:31 PM PDT by NoobRep
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To: ChinaThreat
You are correct.... Assuming we need boots on the ground in Iran.

Even not assuming that. You need logistics, fixed air bases, and so on. The country of Iraq is far more capable an aircraft carrier than any 100 Nimitz-class carriers battle groups....

As for defeating Iran through airpower alone... yeah, right.

48 posted on 09/18/2007 1:48:39 PM PDT by r9etb
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To: SJackson

Pat, go back to lip synching the ‘Horst Wessel Lied’ and leave us real conservatives to worry about Iraq.


49 posted on 09/18/2007 2:15:50 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (https://www.fred08.com/contribute.aspx?RefererID=c637caaa-315c-4b4c-9967-08d864cd0791)
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To: LM_Guy
it is currently working with China, India, and Pakistan

What you say has merit; but the analogy would be better if any one of the three were currently on a jihad vs the US.

50 posted on 09/18/2007 3:00:06 PM PDT by Migraine (...diversity is great... until it happens to YOU...)
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To: LM_Guy
That is how we handled, Iraq for 14 years.

That was successful... /sarc

51 posted on 09/18/2007 3:03:00 PM PDT by SteamShovel (Global Warming, the New Patriotism)
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To: SJackson

Iran was considered the leading supporter of international terrorism prior to George Bush. It began under Jimmy Carter.

Iran is the key to getting OUT of the region, not to prolonging our stay. Topple that government, and we can justify a departure.

It would be significant to stay and plant seeds of westernization and modernism.


52 posted on 09/18/2007 3:03:12 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain And Proud of It! Those who support the troops will pray for them to WIN!)
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To: LM_Guy
You can’t start wars with everyone you don’t like

I don't think this is a case of "we don't like Iran"

This is a case of a real nuclear threat from a person who is eager to use it.

I say we get this over with soon. Diplomacy, sanctions, UN jabber is only giving them time to complete the preparations to use nukes.

53 posted on 09/18/2007 3:08:55 PM PDT by SteamShovel (Global Warming, the New Patriotism)
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To: M. Dodge Thomas
IMO we have as much or more reason to suspect Abizaid is right than that he’s wrong.

Well, except for the fact that Abizaid said that an Iran with nuclear capabilities is okey-fine with him and shouldn't be that big of a deal (ok, that is a slightly hyperbolic interpretation of his exact statement, but not all that far off). So, yes, other than the fact that his judgment seems suspect in other instances on the exact same subject, yes, we should trust him.

54 posted on 09/18/2007 6:17:41 PM PDT by the808bass
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To: SJackson
Another stunning ignorant rant from the Dinocon in Chief
55 posted on 09/18/2007 6:18:30 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (http://www.vetsforfreedom.org/)
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To: Thorin
I know this is going to blow the welded shut minds of the Dinocons, but the free flow of oil from the ME is a vital US Economic, and National Security interest. Allowing Iran to dominate that region would be disastrous to our interests. Iran is a threat to the stability of that region and a state sponsor of terrorism.

It has nothing to do with Israel, it has too do with OUR national security.

56 posted on 09/18/2007 6:22:10 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (http://www.vetsforfreedom.org/)
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To: avacado
Given that Iran is having nuclear “issues” I’d say being in Iraq is a damn fine location!

Oh don't worry. As Iran moves to replace the dollar with the Euro when it comes to oil trading, we'll find out the Iranians will have a nuclear warhead the following week if we don't 'act'...course the same thing happened with Iraq in 2002.

57 posted on 09/18/2007 6:25:59 PM PDT by billbears (Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it. --Santayana)
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To: SJackson
Pat says: And Gen. Petraeus just provided him the rationale.

"It is increasingly apparent," said Petraeus, "that Iran, through the use of the Quds Force, seeks to turn the Iraqi Special Groups into a Hezbollah-like force to serve its interests and fight a proxy war against the Iraqi state and coalition forces in Iraq."

Pat makes it sound like Petraeus is just creating this scenario out of whole cloth. Oh, wait. It's actually true? Oh, that's like Iran declaring war on us. But that's irrelevant to Pat.

Pat says, And it is a fair prediction that when the Americans depart, they will have fought the longest war in their history, only to have replaced the Sunni dictatorship of Saddam Hussein with a Shia dictatorship aligned with Iran.

Little bit of an overstatement, here, Pat. But don't let that slow you down.

Pat says, To the cost of our dead and wounded must be added the near-breaking of the U.S. Army, the estrangement of our allies and the pandemic hatred of America across the Arab world.

Yeah, before this we had Most Favored Nation status. The Arab nations were lining up to be our Little Brothers. What a pitiful piece of reasoning, almost start to finish.

58 posted on 09/18/2007 6:27:25 PM PDT by the808bass
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To: Thorin; LM_Guy
On Iran's Nuclear Program

In remarks at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, a think tank and reported on Sep, 17, 2007 he stated ""We need to press the international community as hard as we possibly can, and the Iranians, to cease and desist on the development of a nuclear weapon and we should not preclude any option that we may have to deal with it." He further stated ""I believe that we have the power to deter Iran, should it become nuclear."

Here is what General Abizaid said about Iran. Seems he does not in the least support your dogma of Do Nothingism.

59 posted on 09/18/2007 6:29:22 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (http://www.vetsforfreedom.org/)
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To: SJackson

If you ever really look at this man and his sister...they look like rats...they’ve got those little ratty looking eyes.


60 posted on 09/18/2007 6:29:39 PM PDT by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand;but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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