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Democrats Won't Temper Iraq Legislation
AP via SFGate ^ | 9/18/7 | ANNE FLAHERTY, Associated Press Writer

Posted on 09/18/2007 1:16:36 PM PDT by SmithL

WASHINGTON, (AP) -- After weeks of suggesting Democrats would temper their approach to Iraq legislation in a bid to attract more Republicans, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid declared abruptly Tuesday that he had no plans to do so.

The Democratic leader said he will call for a vote this month on several anti-war proposals, including one by Sen. Carl Levin that would insist President Bush end U.S. combat next summer. The proposals would be mandatory and not leave Bush wiggle room, said Reid, D-Nev.

"There (are) no goals. It's all definite timelines," he told reporters of the planned legislation.

Levin, D-Mich., chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, said Monday night he would have agreed to turn the summer deadline into a nonbinding goal if doing so meant attracting enough votes to pass.

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TOPICS: Extended News; Government; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: bush; cultureofcutandrun; democrats; iraq; levin; reid; surrendermonkeys; terrorsupporters; wot
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1 posted on 09/18/2007 1:16:46 PM PDT by SmithL
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To: SmithL

RUN AWAY!!!!!!! The chickening out. And buggering out. Brave, brave Senate.


2 posted on 09/18/2007 1:18:57 PM PDT by shankbear (Al-Qaeda grew while Monica blew)
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To: SmithL
Its DOA. It will NEVER make it out of the Senate. Is Dingy Harry getting ready to surrender? That would be music to my ears!

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

3 posted on 09/18/2007 1:19:12 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: SmithL

RUN AWAY!!!!!!! They’re chickening out. And buggering out. Brave, brave Senate.


4 posted on 09/18/2007 1:19:28 PM PDT by shankbear (Al-Qaeda grew while Monica blew)
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To: SmithL

Harry Reid is cutting and running.


5 posted on 09/18/2007 1:19:46 PM PDT by pnh102
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To: SmithL
Reid is apparently taking action on Usama’s recommendation to the democrats.
6 posted on 09/18/2007 1:21:09 PM PDT by DejaJude
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To: SmithL
Temper, huh?

tem·per (tĕm'pər)
v., -pered, -per·ing, -pers.
v.tr.
To modify by the addition of a moderating element;
moderate: "temper its doctrinaire logic with a little
practical wisdom” (Robert H. Jackson). See synonyms at)
moderate.

A thing moderately good is not so good as it ought to be. Moderation in temper is always a virtue; but moderation in principle is always a vice.

Thomas Paine.

Note to the 'Rats: So much for principle, eh?

7 posted on 09/18/2007 1:21:41 PM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: SmithL

8 posted on 09/18/2007 1:21:49 PM PDT by vietvet67
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To: SmithL

See if you can get those approvals into single digits Dirtbag.

Pray for W and Our Troops


9 posted on 09/18/2007 1:23:58 PM PDT by bray (Think "Betray U.S." Think Democrat)
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To: SmithL
Seems like an appropriate thread to post this email making the rounds.

This somehow is lost on Americans today; talking points to use in dealing with the Pelosies of our world, who can't conceive of the tribal factionalism indigenous to Iraq today being exponentially greater than ever was here...

Some American history for all...

WHO WAS THE FIRST PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES?

I'm sure that George Washington was your best guess. It is what all the schools teach, and what we have heard all of our life. After all, no one else comes to mind.

But think back to your history books - The United States declared its independence in 1776, yet Washington did not take office until April 30, 1789.

So who was running the country during these initial years of this young country? It was the first eight U. S. Presidents.

In fact, the first President of the United States was one John Hanson.

The new country was actually formed on March 1, 1781 with the adoption of The Articles of Confederation. This document was actually proposed on June 11, 1776, not agreed on by Congress until November 15, 1777.

Maryland refused to sign this document until Virginia and New York ceded their western lands (Maryland was afraid that these states would gain too much power in the new government from such large amounts of land).

Once the signing took place in 1781, a President was needed to run the country.

John Hanson was chosen unanimously by Congress (which included George Washington). In fact, all the other potential candidates refused to run against him, as he was a major player in the revolution and an extremely influential member of Congress.

As the first President, Hanson had quite the shoes to fill. No one had ever been President and the role was poorly defined. His actions in office would set precedent for all future Presidents.

He took office just as the Revolutionary War ended. Almost immediately, troops demanded to be paid. As would be expected after any long war, there were no funds to meet the salaries. As a result, the soldiers threatened to overthrow the new government and put Washington on the throne as a monarch.

All the members of Congress ran for their lives, leaving Hanson as the only guy left running the government. He somehow managed to calm the troops down and hold the country together. If he had failed, the government would Have fallen almost immediately and everyone would have been bowing to King Washington.

Hanson, as President, ordered all foreign troops off American soil, as well as the removal of all foreign flags. This was quite the feat, considering the fact that so many European countries had a stake in the United States since the days following Columbus.

Hanson established the Great Seal of the United States, which all Presidents have since been required to use on all official documents.

President Hanson also established the first Treasury Department, the first Secretary of War, and the first Foreign Affairs Department.

Lastly, he declared that the fourth Thursday of every November was to be Thanksgiving Day, which is still true today. The Articles of Confederation only allowed a President to serve a one-year term during any three-year period, so Hanson actually accomplished quite a bit in such little time.

Seven other presidents were elected after him Elias Boudinot (1782-83), Thomas Mifflin (1783-84), Richard Henry Lee (1784-85), John Hancock (1785-86), Nathan Gorman (1786-87), Arthur St. Clair (1787-88), And Cyrus Griffin (1788-89). All prior to Washington taking office.

So what happened? Why don't we hear about the first eight presidents?

It's quite simple - The Articles of Confederation didn't work well. The individual states had too much power and nothing could be agreed upon.

A new doctrine needed to be written - something we know as The Constitution.

And that leads us to the end of our story. George Washington was definitely not the first President of the United States. He was the first President of the United States under the Constitution we follow today. And the first eight Presidents are forgotten in history.

(It took 8 years for us to establish a successful government. Remember this when you hear that so little progress has been made during these last 3 years in establishing a Government in Iraq.)

10 posted on 09/18/2007 1:24:11 PM PDT by Ben Mugged (Thanks Mom for not considering me a "choice".)
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To: SmithL

So they pass this dumbarse bill, W vetoes it, Hairy sues and takes it to the Supreme Court. The Supremes bitch slap Hairy and send him away. Senate approval rating drops to negative numbers.

Sounds like a plan. Win, win, win.


11 posted on 09/18/2007 1:29:31 PM PDT by CPOSharky (An organization that kills those who do not believe it's dogma is NOT a religion.)
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To: CPOSharky
No - No Republican is going to vote for Levin's bill. Dingy Harry knows he doesn't have the procedural votes to shut down a filibuster. This is just an empty show for the fringe moonbat base. But its not going to pass the Senate and the Democrat leadership knows it.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

12 posted on 09/18/2007 1:31:59 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: All

Chicken-S***S one and all, those Democrats (and the anti-war Repubs). They’ve had the power to stop the war from the time they decided that it was bad. They are afraid to, because they know how the American people really feel, so they waste tax-payer dollars playing their stupid games.

Defund the war, or STHU and let the grown ups take care of this problem.


13 posted on 09/18/2007 1:33:06 PM PDT by Turbo Pig (...to close with and destroy the enemy...)
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To: SmithL

The DEFEATOcrats are determined to gain sole responsibility for their defeat.....luckily all the spineless Rep’s have to do is shut up and sit down.


14 posted on 09/18/2007 1:33:49 PM PDT by iopscusa (El Vaquero. (SC Lowcountry Cowboy))
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To: Ben Mugged

Excellent post-—It was something I never knew/remembered? in all of my 85 years (and I love history)-—wonder how many of our school/college kids knew this about our country?-—thanks for helping me to learn more about our wonderful USA


15 posted on 09/18/2007 1:44:09 PM PDT by cmotormac44
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To: goldstategop

Someone needs to tell Harry Reid that he can’t give orders to the Armed Forces. Only the POTUS can do that. These treasonous losers need to de-fund the war or STFU!


16 posted on 09/18/2007 1:49:44 PM PDT by ChinaThreat (s)
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To: ChinaThreat
They won't do that - the gutless wonders. They should sit down and STHU - which I heartily second.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

17 posted on 09/18/2007 1:51:18 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: SmithL

Democrats have been appeasing communists, dictators and terrorists for 40 years.

Glad to see nothing has changed.


18 posted on 09/18/2007 1:53:35 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (No buy China!!)
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To: Turbo Pig

They have the power not to fund the war and the President has the power to veto any budget bills that has to be at his desk before Oct 1. President Bush, with the help of at least 145 Congressmen and 34 Senators, could effectively shut down the government and when the ghetto crumbs stop getting their checks then the Rats will change their tune.


19 posted on 09/18/2007 1:53:41 PM PDT by tobyhill (The media lies so much the truth is the exception)
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To: SmithL
Gimme a 'V'!

Gimme an 'E'!

Gimme a 'T'!

Gimme an 'O'!

20 posted on 09/18/2007 1:54:52 PM PDT by bassmaner (Hey commies: I am a white male, and I am guilty of NOTHING! Sell your 'white guilt' elsewhere.)
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To: tobyhill
Good idea. If the Dems hold the military hostage, we can do the same to their sacred social spending programs. Turnabout would indeed be fair play.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

21 posted on 09/18/2007 1:55:17 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: shankbear

This is a smart strategy by Reid. He knows that, as long as the left wing is onboard, the Democrats will have HUGE gains in the House and Senate next year. They will also see a Democrat president swept to power, too. So, he is going ahead with these measures. He knows that the Republicans will block them and then he will blame them for doing so, which will help Democrats in next year’s election.

This is a tremendous partisan strategy for the Dems...it will give them total power after the 2008 elections. I wonder how badly that will hurt the future of the USA, though.


22 posted on 09/18/2007 1:56:00 PM PDT by NRG1973
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To: SmithL
Harry Reid is without any doubt one of the worst traitors and despicable characters in US political history, but fortunately he is also one of the dumbest and most delusional. The man keeps repeating the same stupid treasonous tactics that were crushed before by the President even when the situation in Iraq was much worse. Now that the situation in Iraq is much better and that we are on the verge of annihilating Al Qaeda it is impossible for this traitor to get his way.
23 posted on 09/18/2007 1:57:05 PM PDT by jveritas (God bless our brave troops and President Bush)
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To: NRG1973
I wouldn't be so sure about that. The Democrats can't get anything done. The reality is they're the ones being polarizing and divisive. Its a risky gamble and blaming the other side might turn out to be the political equivalent of "the dog ate my homework." Thus, it remains to be seen whether the voters will buy that excuse.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

24 posted on 09/18/2007 1:59:19 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: shankbear
RUN AWAY!!!!!!! The chickening out. And buggering out. Brave, brave Senate.

"Would it help if we ran away farther?"-Harry Reid, Democrat

25 posted on 09/18/2007 1:59:27 PM PDT by JPJones
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To: NRG1973
Yep Harry Reid is a genius (extreme sarcasm). The man is a traitor and an idiot. He is a slave for the left wing lunatics like moveon.org and their ultimate master George Soros. How smart a man can be when a lunatic on the internet gives him orders and he abides by it? I always wonder why some people on our side see defeated democrats as victorious and stupid liberals as geniuses.
26 posted on 09/18/2007 2:00:42 PM PDT by jveritas (God bless our brave troops and President Bush)
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To: JPJones
Dingy Harry should redeploy to Okinawa as soon as possible.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

27 posted on 09/18/2007 2:00:48 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: jveritas
Only a Democrat could slam the door several times in his own face and declare it feels wonderful! Dingy Harry and his sorry crew are a bunch of masochists with a built-up tolerance to political pain.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

28 posted on 09/18/2007 2:02:50 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: NRG1973

I disagree.

Its a boneheaded strategy. It depends entirely on a steady flow of bad news from Iraq, an isolated America and no other evidence of a threat to the US. It is bound to collapse, leaving the democrats as the weak-on-defense party.

The progress in Iraq is far better than what trickles out of the MSM. In the next year it will continue to come out. Secondly, there are reports that Syrians died while trying to mount a chemical warhead on a scud (Where did that come from?) Third, a more conservative France is pushing for action against Iran.


29 posted on 09/18/2007 2:05:37 PM PDT by kidd
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To: goldstategop
Not only could President Bush shut the government down, but because of the Presidential Obligations to protect the US he could have the AG sign a budget insolvency affidavit thus allowing President Bush to go to the treasury and get the money for essential program including defense and all current operations for defense.
30 posted on 09/18/2007 2:06:16 PM PDT by tobyhill (The media lies so much the truth is the exception)
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To: goldstategop

Agree 100%. I thought that extreme delusions is a decease that only inflicts Arabs, I was wrong. I see that the vast majority of liberals suffer from it. They always see themselves all powerful and victorious when in reality they are impotent and defeated.


31 posted on 09/18/2007 2:09:17 PM PDT by jveritas (God bless our brave troops and President Bush)
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To: Ben Mugged
Thanks for posting this.

We also might want to remind the impatient that it took nearly 500 years for English parliamentary democracy to assume something resembling its present shape. Along the way, a considerable amount of bloodshed was required (especially at the end) to secure the rights of free Englishmen and, by extension, free Americans, Canadians, Australians, and New Zealanders.

Thank God they had more spine than the Democrats (and their fellow traveler RINOs) do!

(Runnymede in 1215 to the Glorious Revolution of 1688)

32 posted on 09/18/2007 2:10:27 PM PDT by Captain Rhino ( Peace based on respected strength is truly peace; peace based on weakness is ignoble slavery)
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To: goldstategop

“”I wouldn’t be so sure about that. The Democrats can’t get anything done. The reality is they’re the ones being polarizing and divisive. Its a risky gamble and blaming the other side might turn out to be the political equivalent of “the dog ate my homework.” Thus, it remains to be seen whether the voters will buy that excuse.””

I saw a report on the internet that Rasmussen has Jean Shaheen leading John Sununu by 48% to 43% (NH Senate). Thats bad!!! Also, Dick Morris thinks the Republicans will be down to only 42 or 43 Senators after the 2008 election. It will be hard to stop Democrat legislation with so few Republican Senators...you know that Collins, Snowe, McCain and Specter will be happy to compromise with Dems.

This is a bad situation...I don’t know who is responsible, but we are all going to pay a price when the Dems take over.


33 posted on 09/18/2007 2:11:07 PM PDT by NRG1973
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To: Ben Mugged
.....Arthur St. Clair...

As in St Clairs of the Priory of Scion, probably Masonic Knights Templar remnent in North America.

34 posted on 09/18/2007 2:11:48 PM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Hillary's color is yellow.....how appropriate)
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To: kidd
The Democrats are isolating themselves politically. If the news gets better AND our troops start coming home by next summer, that will take the wind out of the sails of the anti-war movement. Then the Democrats will have to push ahead with Hillary's socialized health care scheme dominating the news. I don't want to be a Democrat if I can't run against Bush - and he will NOT be on the ballot next year.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

35 posted on 09/18/2007 2:12:17 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: NRG1973
Its 14 months. And that's an eternity in politics. There will be a lot of events between now and next November that will shape the 2008 election. Right now - it does look good for the Democrats. By next summer - who knows?

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

36 posted on 09/18/2007 2:14:46 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: NRG1973

NRG1973
Since Jul 7, 2007

I see and just which Democrat campaign do you work for?


37 posted on 09/18/2007 2:16:19 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (http://www.vetsforfreedom.org/)
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To: kidd

“”Its a boneheaded strategy. It depends entirely on a steady flow of bad news from Iraq, an isolated America and no other evidence of a threat to the US. It is bound to collapse, leaving the democrats as the weak-on-defense party.””

I hope that you are right...but the Media seems to control all of the news that comes out of Iraq and just doesn’t seem to let any of the good news out. I hate to be so negative about next year’s election but I feel more depressed now than I did after the 2006 election.


38 posted on 09/18/2007 2:20:22 PM PDT by NRG1973
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To: NRG1973

So Democrat mouthpiece. Riddle me this. IF the Democrat stategy is SO brilliant? Why have they run their approval number from 50% to 14% is the last 8 months?

They did ONE thing in that time. Fought with Bush on Iraq. Bush’s approval is back up to 40%, they are down to 3% approval on Iraq. So just who is winning the PR war here hmmm?

So just WHERE to you expect these “huge gains” to come from? The 58 Democrats who represent districts that voted more the 51% for GW Bush in 2004? You may just lose 50 seats next year the way you people are acting in DC.

But keep screaming the Moveon.org dogma , wouldn’t want anything like FACT or REALITY to penetrate your welded shut mind now would you?


39 posted on 09/18/2007 2:20:36 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (http://www.vetsforfreedom.org/)
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To: goldstategop

I believe the smart Dems have already switched campaign focus from the war to “wait for it” health care. It is beyond me why a competitive party feels that selling insurance to Americans is a winning political strategy. It has been my experience the moment someone starts talking about insurance plans everybody’s eyes glaze over. My bet is neither health care insurance nor surrender to AQ is going motivate any new block of voters to the Dem cause. Their brillance last election (remember well) was to pose as conservative Dems. Their actions to date have destroyed that gambit for 2008. So we are back to future and Dems will sell insurance plans to Americans (at higher prices). Repubs will sell national defense and lower taxes. Let me guess which offer will succeed? Not hard folks.


40 posted on 09/18/2007 2:25:51 PM PDT by Jigajog
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To: MNJohnnie

“”So Democrat mouthpiece. Riddle me this. IF the Democrat stategy is SO brilliant? Why have they run their approval number from 50% to 14% is the last 8 months?””

No I’m not a Dem mouthpiece, but will tell you one thing...Reid is smart to keep the left wing onboard. If not, there would be a fracture in their party. I’d love to see that happen but the Dems are smart enough not to allow it.

The war news is being controlled by the media. There was significant “good news” even before the surge, but none of it made it out. Now that the surge is underway, they will continue to block all of positive news. Unless the GOP can find a way to get that news about Iraq out, it will be a tough year in 2008. My only hope is that the economy will tank in the first two years of a Democrat presidency and we will replace Dem majorities with Republican majorities.


41 posted on 09/18/2007 2:36:42 PM PDT by NRG1973
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To: NRG1973

Gee, we may as well give up since the Rats have such superior strategy. Hope $0R0$ finds better seminar posters than you.

Pray for W and Our Troops


42 posted on 09/18/2007 2:46:28 PM PDT by bray (Think "Betray U.S." Think Democrat)
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To: bray

I’m not the only one thats depressed with the current situation. There are many other posters who are commenting on the current state.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1898366/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1898104/posts


43 posted on 09/18/2007 2:53:19 PM PDT by NRG1973
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To: NRG1973

Depression is for the weak.


44 posted on 09/18/2007 4:04:42 PM PDT by jveritas (God bless our brave troops and President Bush)
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To: NRG1973
My only hope is that the economy will tank in the first two years of a Democrat presidency and we will replace Dem majorities with Republican majorities.

You are a left wing lunatic and full of hate. No good Patriot will wish his country ill on any level as you do in order to gain power. Only left wing liberals do this. Your time on FR will be short.

45 posted on 09/18/2007 4:06:55 PM PDT by jveritas (God bless our brave troops and President Bush)
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To: NRG1973

You wish for economic ruin for political game? How messed up is that! Playing politics with peoples jobs is deplorable, regardless of party affiliation.


46 posted on 09/18/2007 5:09:50 PM PDT by Shadow44
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To: tobyhill

Man, you’re getting me all giddy thinking about that show down :-)


47 posted on 09/18/2007 8:28:20 PM PDT by Turbo Pig (...to close with and destroy the enemy...)
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To: Ben Mugged

Snopes says BS.

http://www.snopes.com/history/american/hanson.htm


48 posted on 09/18/2007 8:37:56 PM PDT by toddlintown (Five bullets and Lennon goes down. Yet not one hit Yoko. Discuss.)
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To: cmotormac44

The President story is BS.

http://www.snopes.com/history/american/hanson.htm


49 posted on 09/18/2007 8:39:05 PM PDT by toddlintown (Five bullets and Lennon goes down. Yet not one hit Yoko. Discuss.)
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To: toddlintown; cmotormac44; All
I should have checked before I posted it. The email came from what I considered a very trusted source.

My apologies......

50 posted on 09/19/2007 9:06:10 AM PDT by Ben Mugged (Thanks Mom for not considering me a "choice".)
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