Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Fake Guitars Seized From Oakdale Music Shop (Counterfeit Gibsons)
Newsday ^ | 18 Sep 07 | Joseph Mallia

Posted on 09/18/2007 5:14:02 PM PDT by Drew68

An Oakdale music store owner was arrested Monday for selling fake versions of the legendary Gibson guitar at his Montauk Highway shop, the Suffolk police said.

Investigators seized 15 fake Gibsons from the store, the police said.

Bernard Musumeci, 44, of 2 Domino Way, Centereach, surrendered to the police Monday night, and was charged with trademark counterfeiting.

After he was released, Musumeci turned over another 18 guitars from his home, and Gibson Guitar Corp. experts will determine whether they're authentic.

The arrest came after a two-month investigation by Fifth Squad detectives, working in conjunction with the Nashville-based Gibson company.

After authorities were alerted that Musumeci may have been selling fakes at Oakdale Music, at 925 Montauk Hwy., an undercover security expert from Gibson determined that several guitars from the store were, indeed, counterfeit.

Suffolk detectives applied for and executed a search warrant earlier this week and the 15 guitars, all of which were determined to be counterfeit, were seized at the music store.

Now based in Nashville, the original Gibson Guitar and Mandolin Company was founded in 1894 in Kalamazoo, Mich., by shoe clerk and musician Orville Gibson.

Gibson now produces what many consider the world's foremost guitars, especially reissues of the Les Paul model first manufactured in 1952.

Authentic Gibsons are pricey. An original 1959 Gibson Les Paul Flame Top guitar was listed on eBay Monday at a buy-it-now price of nearly $100,000. And a 2007 reissue of the same guitar was listed for $4,500.

(Excerpt) Read more at newsday.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: New York
KEYWORDS: dannyau; gibson; guitar; lespaul; newyork; suffolkcounty
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-6061-80 ... 101-119 next last
To: bluetone006
Heritage guitars are better than the real deal.

A lot of people think so. there is a great debate going on over on the various guitar forums about Gibson vs. Heritage. The Heritage Les Pauls used a lot of the features that Gibson used in the 1950s but discontinued later for cost-cutting reasons.

I didn't think Heritage was still in business? I had figured the Gibson's lawyers had long ago shut them down.

21 posted on 09/18/2007 5:44:39 PM PDT by Drew68
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: Drew68

Having owned several of these now “vintage guitars” I don’t see what all the hubub was about. In most cases, the originals had very poor quality of materials and workmanship. I guess that it that they are now 50 years old and that is the allure.

My latest axe is a custom guitar where the materials and workmanship are second to perfect and about the same price as the average Gibson.

I have a mid-70’s Gibson ES347 which is pretty smooth and of excellent quality. Many of the mid-70’s to mid-80’s Les Paul’s had some pretty funky quirks about them with setting up the intonation and harmonics and would not sustain very well.


22 posted on 09/18/2007 5:45:30 PM PDT by Ouderkirk (Don't you think it's interesting how death and destruction seems to happen wherever Muslims gather.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Drew68
Image hosted by Photobucket.com except mine is a 1962, this ones a 1963

23 posted on 09/18/2007 5:47:05 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Drew68
Another clueless poster without a clue as to what state, or even country this story is about.

Nope; not worth going digging for...

24 posted on 09/18/2007 5:47:34 PM PDT by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Drew68
Here's mine (OK, same year, model and color - 68 LesPaul)


25 posted on 09/18/2007 5:49:14 PM PDT by Poser (Willing to fight for oil)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Drew68

I’ve been buying and selling old guitars since about 1968. I used to insist on playing older, vintage guitars with fetish value. But as the prices of these older instruments has climbed, I now feel that much of the hoopla is pure fetish. There are valid arguments on both sides of the old vs. new issue.

On one hand, to some extent, most musical instruments (other than the violin family) are mechanical devices plus sounding devices. It is true that for most acoustic instruments, aged woods can impart tonal qualities that simply cannot be duplicated with newer woods. That is, if they were quality instruments to begin with. Not all old ones are great guitars. It is also true that SOME high quality older instruments have certain intangible inspirational qualities to them. Some of this is imaginary, but some is not. I’ve owned and played older guitars that have amazing “vibe” to them.

But, as a fan of Strats and having owned well over a hundred vintage examples over the years, I recently bought a near new one on ebay, never having actually played it. I knew, though, from playing others of that specific model, that this model had a neck profile that I really liked, was unavailable elsewhere, and was a precision-made deal. I’m about the last one who would reco a new guitar over and old one, but this one utterly devastates any one of the six 35+ year old ones I own. Maybe tonally it isn’t quite as good as my favorite old ones, but it’s better in every quantifiable way. And after you run it through effects and whatever, the tonal differences are pretty much swamped.

Better or worse, older or newer, is pretty subjective. I owned a 1959 Strat that was an absolute dog, both sound wise and playability wise. I’ve owned a very low-end Squier guitar, which is a Korean $139 Strat that had a killer, knockout neck and made a super guitar with a drop-in pickup upgrade ($150). I will say that a brand new or near new guitar (or most any other instrument) will tend to have much more uniform mechanics. Likewise, older instruments in the era I happen to prefer (say 1957-1968) more often than not have wear-based mechanical issues that (in some, many cases) you can’t fix because fixing them will de-originalize them, and/or they are too valuable to take out and jam on in a sleazy bar. In fact, the more valuable some of these things get, the more they seem like liabilities.


26 posted on 09/18/2007 5:53:19 PM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (When Bubba lies, the finger flies!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Ouderkirk
Having owned several of these now “vintage guitars” I don’t see what all the hubub was about. In most cases, the originals had very poor quality of materials and workmanship. I guess that it that they are now 50 years old and that is the allure.

You are correct. The vintage market has been taken over by collectors driving the prices of sub-standard guitars through the roof. 1970s era Gibsons and Fenders used to be considered inferior (not that there weren't some good ones made during the 1970s) but now command top dollar.

Even today's Indonesian, Korean and Chinese made Squires and Epiphones are often better instruments, playability-wise, than 1970s era American made Fenders and Gibsons but they have no collectible value.

27 posted on 09/18/2007 5:59:55 PM PDT by Drew68
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 22 | View Replies]

To: Drew68
Ok. Real or fake....



This guitar is listed as a 2007 Epiphone. And yet, the
serial number on the head stock reveals...

"Guitar Info
Your guitar was made at the
Nashville Plant, TN, USA
May 23rd, 2003
Production Number: 447 "

Answer: FAKE

These Chinese manufacturers generally copy numbers from real Gibsons to put on their fakes.

Often it's just a matter of looking up real ones for sale on Ebay and stealing the numbers.

Chinese Les Paul


28 posted on 09/18/2007 6:04:02 PM PDT by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: bluetone006
For cheap check out the Samick artist series LP’s from a few years back.

I have a Samick. It is my "take to the boat guitar" for when I deploy to sea. It is basically a double cutaway Les Paul with a set neck. I replaced the p'ups with DiMarzios. It is a great little guitar and a lot of fun to play! Since it only set me back about $250, I don't worry about it. It has great action and a nice, slim neck. It is heavier than my Les Paul, though!

29 posted on 09/18/2007 6:05:07 PM PDT by Drew68
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 20 | View Replies]

To: Attention Surplus Disorder
"In fact, the more valuable some of these things get, the more they seem like liabilities."

Great statement, and one that applies to a whole lot more than old musical instruments...
30 posted on 09/18/2007 6:08:03 PM PDT by Hegemony Cricket (You can't seriously tell me you think we need more laws, or that we don't already have too many.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 26 | View Replies]

To: Drew68

I have a Godin SD that has excellent sound that is made in Canada and assembled in N.H. Great clean sound and versatile, an excellent jack-of-all-trades guitar!


31 posted on 09/18/2007 6:08:53 PM PDT by jonathanmo (No tag available at this time.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 29 | View Replies]

To: Drew68

How can I tell the difference between an original Gibson Air Guitar and a cheap knock off?


32 posted on 09/18/2007 6:09:43 PM PDT by lowbridge ("We control this House, not the parliamentarians! -Congressman Steny Hoyer (D))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Bigh4u2

Boy, that one would fool almost anybody! When they are that new(ish), you can’t even judge from tarnished solder joints or older pots/caps inside the body cavity.


33 posted on 09/18/2007 6:10:45 PM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (When Bubba lies, the finger flies!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 28 | View Replies]

To: Drew68
I’m a Strat man all the way. Great playability and that unique Strat sound is incomparable. I used to play Fender basses, but these days I have switched to an Ibanez bass. I Love it.

One of the guitarists in my band owns 9 genuine Les Pauls. To each his own I guess.

34 posted on 09/18/2007 6:11:34 PM PDT by Bullish ( Reality is the best cure for delusion.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: Attention Surplus Disorder
In fact, the more valuable some of these things get, the more they seem like liabilities.

That's why the "vintage re-issue" and "reliced" lines of guitars have become so popular. Owners of valuable, collectible vintage instruments can leave their priceless guitars at home and hit the road with a worn, "reliced" version that is identicle to their prized vintage guitar but worth only a fraction of the original.

35 posted on 09/18/2007 6:13:07 PM PDT by Drew68
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 26 | View Replies]

To: Chode

Show off!


36 posted on 09/18/2007 6:16:06 PM PDT by unixfox (The 13th Amendment Abolished Slavery, The 16th Amendment Reinstated It !)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 23 | View Replies]

To: Drew68

I did some google research on these Chicom Gibsons when I noticed them en mass on eBay last year. It was something about buying a ‘59 Les Paul re-issue for $20 with $175 shipping that made me curious.

End result was I found an Chicom goods importer website where they had thousands of items that had to be ordered in bulk and could be customized to your specs, whatever you wanted it to look like they would do; The musical instrument inventory section showed a picture of a knock-off Les Paul.


37 posted on 09/18/2007 6:17:53 PM PDT by Rb ver. 2.0 (Reunite Gondwanaland!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Drew68

My $150 Chinese Epiphone plays better than my 1972 Les Paul Anniversary special (which I sold).


38 posted on 09/18/2007 6:18:58 PM PDT by admiral52 (Vanity license plate: IMGPNG)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Attention Surplus Disorder

There are other teletale signs as well.

For one. The headstock is too big. The inlays on the neck are wrong and the ‘bell’ cover is shaped wrong and also too big.

It’s like they took a Les Paul and an Epiphone and combined them.

I’m sure if you took it about it probably has cheap electronics in it as well.


39 posted on 09/18/2007 6:22:23 PM PDT by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 33 | View Replies]

To: Drew68

This is true, but the ‘57 “relic’ed” Strats I’ve seen still seem to cost at least in the upper $2K range.

I’m personally fond of the “Strat Plus” models that were made from about 1989 to about 1997. These had the roller nut, Sperzel or Schaller tuners, and the Lace pu’s (which are not that great sounding but they are loud and resistant to dimmer noise) AFAIK, these were the first Fenders to have a “rolled” finish process applied to the fret-edges which is very friendly to my hand. Great “out” guitar.


40 posted on 09/18/2007 6:24:03 PM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (When Bubba lies, the finger flies!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 35 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-6061-80 ... 101-119 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson