Posted on 09/19/2007 3:20:54 AM PDT by Enchante
Well God said this to Abram, Genesis 12:1 Now the LORD had said unto Abram, "Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:
2 And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:
3 And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed."
I find it very interesting that so many misquote this and rarely ever does anyone, even those that know the Hebrew set the misquote straight. Jacob/Israel had not even been born and Abram had no children when this promise was given to Abram.
By the way, Abram was born in the modern country of Iraq, this country from which he was told to leave. Ur of the Chaldees is where Abram was born.
That's true, and one of the best facts to illustrate is the fact that Joe Stalin was the Soviet Union entity that persecuted Russian and Soviet Jews, and killed many.
The Times had reporters inside Stalin's Soviet Russia and they reported to the Times, Stalin's gulags, work camps, "insane" asylums, and genocide. The Times never printed the reports, it would have reflected badly on socialism/communism.
They only feed it because they are forced to do so by the UN. That and not feeding your dog is animal cruelty. /s
Abram was born in Ur, Iraq to pakistani sheep/goat herders. 14 generations earlier was Noah, a survivor of a major hurricane, washed out to sea on his 3 layer log raft. 15 cubits of water = 22 ft, just right for a storm surge(the dirty NE quadrant as they describe it along the gulf coast). 7 generations later, sitting around a campfire, his descendents jazzed up this old but true story of sea survival into the myth you read in genesis.
Marilyn Savant(IQ 230)said : you can convince a 5 year old of ANYTHING, a 95 year old of NOTHING. Thus 5 year old Abram swallowed the whole myth, word for word, and today you have idiots running all over Mt Ararat looking for Noah’s Ark. It rotted away on a pakistani beach, near the delta of the Indus river, 5000 years ago. It landed on an outer sand bank and they had to wait for low tide(the water to assuage)to wade to the true shore.
Thus a true(readers digest book section)story handed down by mouth/story telling through the generations of illiterate pakistani people. Try this : a 3 sentence paragraph told to person #1, he then to person #2, on and on to person #14. What are the chances of the precise message getting all the way from #1 to #14? Nil of course, it has to go through 14 human “filters”.
This then is why many pass the entire bible off as merely stories for children, the Noah’s Ark MYTH is a perfect example : pakistani(now arabs/jews)propaganda for their children. There never was a world wide flood, only a local yokel getting washed out to sea(and its earth curvature-perspective), and the great CCW gyre in the arabian sea that brought the raft back to shore again.
Yes, GOD tapped AbraHAM( = one of Noah’s sons)on the shoulder : you’re my MAN. But are you still STUCK in the whole noah MYTH just because that’s what they taught you as a 5 year old in sunday school? Remember Hitler’s MYTH of Aryan Superiority? Millions died because of that MYTH taught to the hitler youth. Are you still 5 years old and ready to believe everything someone you trust tells you?
Personally I do NOT have ingrained in my mind it was a total global flood. Neither here nor there and doesn’t change the subject.
Now your Hitler rant escapes me because Hitler laid the foundation based upon what was done to Germany from WWI to play on the pretend ideology of something called Aryan Superiority. His was not the first deception planted nor will it be the last and there are none in the flesh I trust with the type of trust you insinuate.
You forgot to add sarcasm to your God to Israel post, would have made reading it more understandable.
There is a bumper sticker in Texas : GOD said it, I believe it, and that SETTLES it. You have yet to develop that critical, analytic thought process so necessary to the scientific method. Thus you are no different than the brain-washed islamofascist, killing innocent people w/o thinking about it. To question the flaws in their religion is blasphemy, worthy of death; you have the same problem, pity that you can’t see it in yourself. “You shall know the TRUTH and the TRUTH shall set you FREE”, who said that?
The TRUE noah story is easy enough to see, hidden within the myth-lies : The Indus River, a major river system, has a silty delta region like the Nile, Mississippi, other major rivers that empty into the ocean. Unlike the Nile it floods irregularly from rains/precip in the northern mountains. Thus noah(his father/grand father)had been flooded out before, thus his 3 layer log raft(8’wide/45’ long/4’ high)was on the high point of his land, tied to an orchard tree base, complete w/goat skin tent; all ready for the next Indus RIVER flood.
Along comes a real cyclone, 4 days of rain and storm surge of 20’(15 cubits = tops of his orchard trees). This very thing happened in Bangladesh(eastern pakistan)in 1970, thousands died when the storm surge swept over their low-lying islands. This is 5000 years ago and the different polar jet stream pattern meant hurricanes hit western pakistan more frequently.
Thus as the floodwaters rise all the farm animals, even snakes, head for the raft on the high point. Noah has to cut his anchor line(being dragged under by the current)and thus out to sea the raft goes. There are similar stories like this from the 1900 Galveston hurricane : people miraculously survive from being washed out to sea. Noah was your basic BE PREPARED boy scout, but he was prepared for a RIVER flood, not a 20’ deep storm surge that wiped out/depopulated the entire delta region. Remember Katrina? And this was LONG before our modern hurricane warning systems. Remember Camille?
As our Lord said : they see but do not PERCEIVE, they hear but do not UNDERSTAND. What I’m telling you is the simple TRUTH. The noah story is like the clam’s grit of truth wrapped in a pearl of lies/distortions; I’m only setting the record straight. Or like the angel giving John a little book to eat, sweet in the mouth, bitter in the stomach.
So why do you continue to believe the myth-pearl of noah-lies you were taught in sunday school? Are you any different than young islamic kids taught hatred in the madrases? Or can you rise above it all and take a fresh look at the noah story in genesis? Crack your bible : Surprise me...
I don’t see the usefulness in handing Gaza over to have a defined enemy, if Israel acts like the wimp parents who need “Supernanny”. Here’s a rhetorical question for you: Why are they “thinking about” turning the power off? Let Hamas figure out how to generate electricity. Then they may regret forcing their smart people (moderates) to run to the US. Enough already with these millions of people who refuse to develop their own economy! Cut their electricity now!
about time.
In addition, the Times actively buried news about the Holocaust. They are a bunch of creeps.
Let me be clear, I don’t think the handing over of territory is the best move, but I do see the logic in it.
One clear benefit of what they’ve done in Gaza is that any military action there by the Israelis will not damage Israeli homes/infrastructure.
And remember, if you think turning the power/water off now is a great idea, it is only possible because Israel withdrew. If there were still Israelis in Gaza, it wouldn’t even be an option, would it?
The withdrawal from Gaza gave the Israelis more options on how to deal with terrorists in that region...and it was clear their prior options hadn’t worked.
But it also has the dangerous downside of setting the expectation with the terrorists and international community that something similar should be done wholesale. That’s why I think this will fail in the long run. They might “fix” Gaza, but they’ve made the West Bank problem much worse.
God did not say what you said He did to Israel, He said it to Abram, so you put forth an untruth. I have no way of knowing, could well have been in ignorance or might be your 'scientific method' of what you claim 'critical, analytical thought process'.
John 8:32 Christ speaking .."And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free." This refers back to John 1:14 where we are told "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and *TRUTH*.
Of course if one keeps reading in this chapter that WORD/truth out of Christ's mouth would make many squirm. Christ also said in another place that He foretold us all things, before one Word of that so called New Testament ever got penned.
Now what is this so called scientific method you espouse?
Christ said when asked what would be the signs of His return that one of those signs was that it would be as in the days of Noe(Noah). A promise has already been given there would not be another literal flood like in Noah's days, but what would be is a flood of lies that deluged the minds of the masses. Further the activity that caused that repentance that God ever made man in this flesh body that brought forth the flood would be occurring again. Has NOT happened yet.
The TRUE noah story is easy enough to see, hidden within the myth-lies : The Indus River, a major river system, has a silty delta region like the Nile, Mississippi, other major rivers that empty into the ocean. Unlike the Nile it floods irregularly from rains/precip in the northern mountains. Thus noah(his father/grand father)had been flooded out before, thus his 3 layer log raft(8’wide/45’ long/4’ high)was on the high point of his land, tied to an orchard tree base, complete w/goat skin tent; all ready for the next Indus RIVER flood.
What exactly does the The Indus River system have to do with the causation for that flood?
As our Lord said : they see but do not PERCEIVE, they hear but do not UNDERSTAND. What I’m telling you is the simple TRUTH. The noah story is like the clam’s grit of truth wrapped in a pearl of lies/distortions; I’m only setting the record straight. Or like the angel giving John a little book to eat, sweet in the mouth, bitter in the stomach.
Paul says that all that is Written that happened to them is for our admonition (warning) as to what would be again to bring in the end of this age. (ICorinthians 10:11) Like I told you before the amount of water and geography covered is not the point, rather the reason and that flood of water is symbolic of the flood of lies to be allowed to cause a spiritual blindness to all but the elect. Noah's flood only describes 8 souls being saved from that flood. However, given what is demonstrated by DNA and Noah and his family being perfect in their generations says more than just 8 flesh human beings survived that deluge.
So why do you continue to believe the myth-pearl of noah-lies you were taught in sunday school? Are you any different than young islamic kids taught hatred in the madrases? Or can you rise above it all and take a fresh look at the noah story in genesis? Crack your bible : Surprise me...
What I was taught in sunday school is far removed from what is actually written.
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