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911 Audio: Woman in Wheelchair Dies After Being Tasered by Police
http://www.breitbart.tv ^ | 09-19-2007 9:18 am | .breitbart.tv

Posted on 09/19/2007 8:57:35 AM PDT by Diamond

A sick old woman in a wheelchair was stun-gunned by police ten times over a period of three or four minutes until she died. One hit was sixteen seconds long. Another was twenty five seconds. Another one was thirteen seconds.


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1 posted on 09/19/2007 8:57:37 AM PDT by Diamond
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To: Diamond

women cops are awful quick on the draw with that taser weapon


2 posted on 09/19/2007 8:58:35 AM PDT by Mr. K (Some days even my lucky rocketship underpants don't help)
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To: Mr. K
women cops are awful quick on the draw with that taser weapon

I imagine small male cops are, too.

3 posted on 09/19/2007 9:00:55 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler ("A person's a person no matter how small." -Dr. Seuss)
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To: Diamond

I guess I just do not know how dangerous an old women in a wheelchair might be.


4 posted on 09/19/2007 9:01:07 AM PDT by Piquaboy (22 year veteran of the Army, Air Force and Navy, Pray for all our military .)
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To: Mr. K
Probably because they are affirmative action hires. A good cop is in great physical shape and can easily subdue an unarmed subject.

But what's a few lives lost here and there in the name of affirmative action?

5 posted on 09/19/2007 9:01:15 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Are there any men left in Washington? Or are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud)
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To: Piquaboy

Why not just run her over with the patrol car?

10 times??????


6 posted on 09/19/2007 9:05:21 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (Truth : Liberals :: Kryptonite : Superman)
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To: Diamond

Good God. Old ladies are now threatening our very existence. Beat them and taser them til they die. AND we have freepers condoning it.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1898895/posts

I’m flat out disgusted!


7 posted on 09/19/2007 9:05:35 AM PDT by colorcountry (If the plain sense makes sense, seek no other sense, lest you get nonsense! ~ J. Vernon McGee)
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To: colorcountry

They merely followeed their trainig

Fire 3 times before yelling HALT! Oh, wait a minute....


8 posted on 09/19/2007 9:07:30 AM PDT by Eagles Talon IV
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To: Diamond
TASR is up 3.5% today. In fact, I just got off the phone with my broker.

JDM to Broker: "Hook me up with some TASR shares, bro!"

9 posted on 09/19/2007 9:08:02 AM PDT by jdm (I like Chex Mix.)
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To: Vigilanteman
Probably because they are affirmative action hires. A good cop is in great physical shape and can easily subdue an unarmed subject.

Well, I don't know about "easily," and I don't know the whole story in this case, but, tasering someone is done to override their neuromuscular system so they will stop what they are doing and then follow your commands when the tasering stops.

In some very rare instances tasering someone for a minute or longer is reasonable (you have 3 at gunpoint and one being tasered until backup arrives, which I've seen), but generally speaking, if it doesn't work after a couple of tries (getting them to follow your commands) then you have to move up the use of force ladder.

And if you can't justify hitting them with your stick or fists, then the Taser is usually not an option either. Better brush up on your counterjoint techniques and work on your common sense and judgement.

10 posted on 09/19/2007 9:09:04 AM PDT by TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig (There once was a dream called, "Hippy Beat Down." The mere whisper of if caused cops to weep.)
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To: Diamond

A stun gun is not a “Taser”.


11 posted on 09/19/2007 9:09:16 AM PDT by montag813
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To: Piquaboy

Not saying the police did no wrong in this case but...

Seeing the title and the description of a “sick old woman in a wheelchair” made me think of some frail 70 year old.

The “sick old woman” in this case was 56, looked to be about 300 pounds and was armed with two knives and a hammer and was attempting to assault her sister-which led to the 9-11 call for help- and then later was swinging the weapons at family members and police. She apparently also was threatening to harm herself.


12 posted on 09/19/2007 9:10:35 AM PDT by icwhatudo (The rino borg...is resistance futile?)
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To: Diamond
"911 Audio: Woman in Wheelchair Dies After Being Tasered by Police"

I believe the story said there were twenty hits in all, many of them long ones. There's no acceptable excuse for this torture of an old, sick woman. They are claiming she was threatening to harm herself, so their response was to harm her a whole lot more than she likely would have done herself, if at all. What's wrong with police today, does law enforcement purposely seek out the angry, thug types for the job? Though the police apologists will be out enforce to protect their own, the amount of times this woman was electroshocked means she was murdered. You can hear her screaming in pain, and people who are in that much agony and shock cannot harm themselves or others. One zap, then cuff her and take her to a psych hospital. Twenty zaps = murder.

13 posted on 09/19/2007 9:12:20 AM PDT by BillyAqua
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To: Diamond

The video indicated she was threatening to “hurt herself” so the cops tasered her to death after discussing among themselves what to do.


14 posted on 09/19/2007 9:12:39 AM PDT by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: colorcountry
Gloria Allred is on the job.

She's sure to make a healthy paycheck for herself & the old sick woman's family when the city settles.

My impression I get from most cops is:

Don't "F" with me and give me reason to draw my gun or taser your ass!

15 posted on 09/19/2007 9:13:52 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: Diamond
It doesn’t take a brain surgeon to understand that tasering an elderly person or a person with chronic health problems (e.g.,heart disease) could cause a serious problem for the “tasee”.
16 posted on 09/19/2007 9:14:11 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (If martyrdom is so cool,why does Osama Obama go to such great lengths to avoid it?)
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To: Diamond

They were just recharging the batteries on the old woman’s electric wheelchair.


17 posted on 09/19/2007 9:15:22 AM PDT by A_Tradition_Continues (THE NEXT GENERATION CONSERVATIVE)
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To: TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig
"I've seen), but generally speaking, if it doesn't work after a couple of tries (getting them to follow your commands) then you have to move up the use of force ladder."

Good God, man, you're talking about one old lady in a wheel chair and a room full of cops. What do they do to people in police academy, remove their souls? Or do the just walk in without souls in the first place?

18 posted on 09/19/2007 9:15:38 AM PDT by BillyAqua
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To: icwhatudo

That would make it a completly different story.


19 posted on 09/19/2007 9:16:11 AM PDT by Piquaboy (22 year veteran of the Army, Air Force and Navy, Pray for all our military .)
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To: Diamond
"The “sick old woman” in this case was 56, looked to be about 300 pounds and was armed with two knives and a hammer and was attempting to assault her sister-which led to the 9-11 call for help- and then later was swinging the weapons at family members and police. She apparently also was threatening to harm herself."

Kind of makes the story a little different doesn't it? Sounds like to me she was a danger.
20 posted on 09/19/2007 9:19:12 AM PDT by jrooney (The democrats are the friend of our enemy and the enemy of our friends. Attack them, not GW!)
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To: icwhatudo
She apparently also was threatening to harm herself.

So they killed her.

Good plan.

L

21 posted on 09/19/2007 9:19:12 AM PDT by Lurker ( Comparing moderate islam to extremist islam is like comparing smallpox to ebola.)
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To: Diamond
Another situation made worse by calling LE. The lady basically committed suicide.
22 posted on 09/19/2007 9:19:17 AM PDT by beltfed308 (Rudy: When you absolutely,positively need a liberal for President.)
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To: Diamond

Have they discovered a racial angle yet?


23 posted on 09/19/2007 9:21:18 AM PDT by blam (Secure the border and enforce the law)
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To: jrooney
The “sick old woman” in this case was 56, looked to be about 300 pounds and was armed with two knives and a hammer and was attempting to assault her sister

How about going up a flight of stairs? Stairs are the naturally enemy of the wheelchair bound...

24 posted on 09/19/2007 9:23:10 AM PDT by NativeSon (off the Rez without a pass...)
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To: blam
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25 posted on 09/19/2007 9:23:53 AM PDT by evets
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To: Diamond
This isn't entirely accurate. After all, the woman WAS armed with two knives and a hammer, and was actively swinging them at anyone who came near her.

This being said, shocking her 9 times for a total of 160 seconds seems just a tad excessive, no?

In related news, a cop in Orem, Utah roughed up a 70-year old woman and arrested her for "resisting arrest" because her grass was brown. No, I'm not kidding.

26 posted on 09/19/2007 9:25:05 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (Want authentic 1st century Christianity? Visit a local, New Testament Independent Baptist church!)
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To: NativeSon

Were there stairs available for them to use? Fact is, this lady brought the police to her house with her combative behavior and arming herself with weapons trying to cause injury or death to her sister. This would not have occurred, if they would not have initiated the scenario. Her intent was to hurt or kill somoneone.


27 posted on 09/19/2007 9:28:47 AM PDT by jrooney (The democrats are the friend of our enemy and the enemy of our friends. Attack them, not GW!)
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To: BillyAqua

Check post #12.


28 posted on 09/19/2007 9:29:03 AM PDT by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL.)
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To: Gay State Conservative
It doesn’t take a brain surgeon to understand that tasering an elderly person or a person with chronic health problems (e.g.,heart disease) could cause a serious problem for the “tasee”.

56 is elderly? My one brother is 52 and just had his first kid, my other brother is 55 works in a factory and hits the bars on the weekend with his friends. Maybe they could have had her put down some of the knives so she could get her ID out-if they saw she was 49 I guess it would be ok to tase her, but 52 would be wrong...or maybe 53...53-1/2?

After she puts down the knives to check her ID, she could then get an x-ray to check heart problems before tasering her. Ooops-then she'd have to put down the hammer-xray machines don't like metal.

29 posted on 09/19/2007 9:30:09 AM PDT by icwhatudo (The rino borg...is resistance futile?)
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To: Diamond
ah yes, the sick old woman...holding deadly weapons and prepared to use them against herself and others.

imho, taser was an option. used too long though. usually they are 5-second bursts and stop automatically. but i have seen people laugh off taser hits. but sounds like the cops got a little trigger happy. should have gotten everyone out of the house, isolated the woman and called in SWAT (for lack of a better term) to contain and wrap her up.

30 posted on 09/19/2007 9:30:33 AM PDT by thefactor
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To: icwhatudo
"The “sick old woman” in this case was 56, looked to be about 300 pounds and was armed with two knives and a hammer and was attempting to assault her sister-"

Not really. There was no sister, the woman was schizophrenic and made that up. The police indeed stated that she was in a wheel chair when they tazered her. As for weilding two steak knives and a hammer, I'm wondering how many arms this woman had? As for her weight, she's fat, but 300 lbs? Can you guess her height and date of birth too from that picture?

I froze the video and counted the seconds she was electroshocked, as recorded on the police sheet. I couldn't see the entire sheet, but I counted at least 90 seconds. Where I couldn't make out the number, I just used two seconds. So in all probablility this woman was electroshocked for well over one minute and a half. I guess they were trying to bake her until she was well done.

31 posted on 09/19/2007 9:30:42 AM PDT by BillyAqua
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To: Diamond

I can see this being an episode of Reno911.

It’s just too stupid to believe. Were they afraid she would roll away faster than they could run? Or did she not stand and turn-around when ordered to do so?


32 posted on 09/19/2007 9:33:06 AM PDT by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: Marysecretary
"Check post #12."

I did, it was all wrong. Check post # 31.

33 posted on 09/19/2007 9:33:41 AM PDT by BillyAqua
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To: jrooney
"The “sick old woman” in this case was 56, looked to be about 300 pounds and was armed with two knives and a hammer and was attempting to assault her sister-which led to the 9-11 call for help- and then later was swinging the weapons at family members and police. She apparently also was threatening to harm herself."

Kind of makes the story a little different doesn't it? Sounds like to me she was a danger.

 

I really hope you're joking

34 posted on 09/19/2007 9:33:47 AM PDT by grjr21
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To: TLI
The video indicated she was threatening to “hurt herself” so the cops tasered her to death after discussing among themselves what to do.

phew! What a relief. To think the cops almost missed an opportunity to hurt her first. This has Reno911 written all over it.

35 posted on 09/19/2007 9:34:27 AM PDT by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: BillyAqua

I was responding to another comment, not commenting on this particular incident. Please read the post I was replying to so you can see that I never supported tasering an old woman in a wheelchair.

99.999999% of the time a person in a wheelchair, after checking them for weapons, is no threat to an officer or anyone else for that matter. There are exceptions to everything but I don’t see on that fits in this case.

Please take you preconceived notions of the police and project them on someone else if your not going to take the 15 seconds it requires to read my post and understand that what I typed, and what you want to believe I’m saying, are two completely different things.


36 posted on 09/19/2007 9:34:56 AM PDT by TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig (There once was a dream called, "Hippy Beat Down." The mere whisper of if caused cops to weep.)
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To: grjr21

I come from a family of law enforcement officers and have a background in law enforcement myself. My older brother is now retired from LE after 27 years and his best friend Sgt. Arthur W. Koch was killed by an armed wheelchair bound man in Fairlfield Ca in 1984. My brother and Art were really close and came to the PD from the CA Highway Patrol. Art conviced my brother to join him at the PD.

You can read a little about it here - http://www.camemorial.org/htmprev/koch84.htm

No I am not kidding. Too many people like to judge situations without being there to see what actually happened themself. Feel free to man up and go and disrm any man or woman that is wheelchair bound and armed. We will see how fast you can get killed.


37 posted on 09/19/2007 9:41:28 AM PDT by jrooney (The democrats are the friend of our enemy and the enemy of our friends. Attack them, not GW!)
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To: Diamond


"She refused to take off her shoes
to pass through airport security."

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38 posted on 09/19/2007 9:42:49 AM PDT by OESY
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To: jrooney

Don’t waste your life energy on these people You will never convince them that a person created the circumstances during which she died.

For some people the cops are always right. For some people they are always wrong.


39 posted on 09/19/2007 9:46:01 AM PDT by TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig (There once was a dream called, "Hippy Beat Down." The mere whisper of if caused cops to weep.)
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To: TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig

You are right.


40 posted on 09/19/2007 9:47:21 AM PDT by jrooney (The democrats are the friend of our enemy and the enemy of our friends. Attack them, not GW!)
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To: BillyAqua
Not really. There was no sister, the woman was schizophrenic and made that up.

Apologies, I should have simply posted "Police said the woman was swinging the weapons at family members and police." Not sure how it being a brother, cousin, etc makes it any better.

The police indeed stated that she was in a wheel chair when they tazered her. As for weilding two steak knives and a hammer, I'm wondering how many arms this woman had?

I guess the police have 3 arms as well since they are armed with a gun, a baton, and a taser-whats up with this town-lots of 3 armed people.

As for her weight, she's fat, but 300 lbs? Can you guess her height and date of birth too from that picture?

Nope, yet some here expect police to know all these things before tasering.

I froze the video and counted the seconds she was electroshocked, as recorded on the police sheet. I couldn't see the entire sheet, but I counted at least 90 seconds. Where I couldn't make out the number, I just used two seconds. So in all probablility this woman was electroshocked for well over one minute and a half. I guess they were trying to bake her until she was well done.

I'll repeat, I'm not saying the officers did no wrong, I'm just saying that the idea that police simply went and tasered a "sick, elderly" person in a wheelchair is a bit misleading.

41 posted on 09/19/2007 9:49:57 AM PDT by icwhatudo (The rino borg...is resistance futile?)
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To: jrooney

So either step back away from her or put a sheet over her.

I’d like to think that a couple of children could have solved this one without killing her.


42 posted on 09/19/2007 9:59:42 AM PDT by Eagle Eye (If you agree with Democrats you agree with America's enemies.)
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To: BillyAqua

Thanks. I checked that one. M


43 posted on 09/19/2007 10:01:30 AM PDT by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL.)
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To: TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig; jrooney

This is still a homicide by the police.


44 posted on 09/19/2007 10:03:07 AM PDT by Eagle Eye (If you agree with Democrats you agree with America's enemies.)
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To: jrooney
Were there stairs available for them to use? Fact is, this lady brought the police to her house with her combative behavior and arming herself with weapons trying to cause injury or death to her sister. This would not have occurred, if they would not have initiated the scenario. Her intent was to hurt or kill somoneone.

Just an ill attempt at humor. Seriously, this is sad and no one wins. There is a lot of force being used un seemily helpless people these days, LE will take a beating...

45 posted on 09/19/2007 10:11:17 AM PDT by NativeSon (off the Rez without a pass...)
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To: Eagle Eye
You do not know it is a homicide. How would you like to judge you so quickly? Be careful or you can be accused of slandering these officers. You are pulling a Murtha without knowing the facts. You were not there. Fact is this lady brought the police to her home because she was intentionally armed trying to cause injury or death to others within the home.
46 posted on 09/19/2007 10:12:14 AM PDT by jrooney (The democrats are the friend of our enemy and the enemy of our friends. Attack them, not GW!)
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To: Diamond

Geez...just get a garden hose.


47 posted on 09/19/2007 10:12:28 AM PDT by Globalist Goon
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To: Diamond

Pure hyperbole post meant to illicit an emotional response from dummies.

Go ahead...


48 posted on 09/19/2007 10:13:59 AM PDT by VaBthang4 ("He Who Watches Over Israel Will Neither Slumber Nor Sleep")
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To: jrooney

I hope that after reading this story everyone takes a look at the NAFTA Agreement. I do believe that it can be enforced by our military if need be. Who does the military report to? The President. Would you like this power in Hillary’s hands? This incident totally mishandled by the police and accompanied by reporter spin and somewhat misleading headlines is kids play compared to what could happen. I am sure they will send the entire police force to school to learn “diversity and tolerance”.


49 posted on 09/19/2007 10:23:13 AM PDT by Grams A
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To: icwhatudo
"I guess the police have 3 arms as well since they are armed with a gun, a baton, and a taser-whats up with this town-lots of 3 armed people."

It said she was 'weilding' these three weapons. Now, to answer your question with another question, how does a police officer "weild" a baton, a gun and a taser at the same time?

As I already said, this woman was tasered for well over a minute and a half during a four minute period. I cannot even imagine the torture she endured. You could kill a bull with that much juice. Worse yet, I cannot imagine the need to do this to her, a group of cops electro-shocking her again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again .......often holding the taser to her body for long periods of time....until she falls dead.

She was their human pit roast. I'm surprised they didn't stick an apple in her mouth after they roasted her to death. I have little doubt that this gang of thugs will recieve but a wrist slap for the murder, so it's refreshing to know that there is eternal Justice.

50 posted on 09/19/2007 10:24:07 AM PDT by BillyAqua
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