Posted on 09/19/2007 10:36:33 AM PDT by Jack Black
In the debate regarding how the relationship between the Old West, Europe, and the New West, the United States, Canada, Australia and New Zealand, will be in the 21st century, many observers seem to take for granted that much of Europe will fall to Islam, and that native Europeans will flee and resettle in the New West. There is, however, another scenario that is theoretically possible, but little discussed. What if the opposite happens? There are Europeans emigrating/fleeing to these nations already now, but I think they will discover once there that the problems they are fleeing from are already present in their new homelands. Some of them are even worse there, especially since many of those fleeing will be white, and they will discover that whites are rapidly diminishing as a factor in these countries and that hostility towards whites is rising.
I gave serious thought to emigrating to the USA or some other English-speaking country a couple of years ago. I don’t blame Europeans who do so, but for me personally, this seems like a less attractive proposition now than it was then. First of all because I believe there is still work to be done in Europe, and second of all because so far I can’t see that the countries of the New West are standing up to Muslims in a forceful way, either, with the possible exception of Australia. And finally, because I’m white, and the more I read about the situation in the USA, Canada and New Zealand the less I feel like moving there. Frankly, I’m not sure whether I see any future in being white in the USA. Maybe there is no point in moving from the Old West to the New West because most of our problems are shared for all Western nations. Indeed one could claim that the West is now recognized not so much by a shared civilizational legacy as by shared problems. - - - - - - - - - - We are definitely witnessing the end of the Western world order, as I’ve said before. That doesn’t necessarily mean the end of the West itself, although some pessimists do believe this, too. According to the blogger Conservative Swede, people of European origins will become the global Jews of the 21st century, moving around to whatever country will take them in, while Germany, Italy and Britain will be populated by Nigerians and Kurds:
So what’s the future for people like me? Because even if I belong nowhere politically, I belong somewhere socially and ethnically. Well, the world is being homogenized. Tomorrow the whole world will be like the Third World. People like me, of European ethnicity, will have no home, no nation. We will live like the Jews as elites in other people’s nations (preferably a non-Muslim nation). This doesn’t scare me. The Jews have lived thusly for two thousand years. It’s a pity, but this is our destiny. This is what the Western Christians and liberals are working eagerly towards. This is what they are programmed to do. This is what they will achieve. I’ll let them have it. As an individual I cannot change this. The only thing I can do is to prepare myself for it. A good plan is to live as a ‘Jew’ in Catholic/Mestizo Latin America rather than a Muslim Europe, or the sinking Titanic of America. Even China looks like an option, in comparison.
There is some basis for claiming this, unfortunately. Our left-wing intellectuals love developing countries so much that they want us to become developing countries, too, a new form of rehashed global Communism. I recently read a column in Al-Guardian by Timothy Garton Ash, who also loves the European Union, hailing Brazil as the model for the future, where we are all merged into just one race, the human race. Multinational corporations want to erase borders to create one big world of capital, goods and consumers, and I’m pretty sure some members of our political elites are envious of the corrupt plutocrats ruling many Third Word nations.
Still, I think it’s a tad too pessimistic to resign to the inevitability of this scenario. Some countries will resist, perhaps successfully, and I’m not necessarily sure the English-speaking countries will come out on top. It has become custom in segments of the English-speaking blogosphere to bash the countries of continental Europe. Some of this is justified. France has led the creation of the EU, Eurabia and the European appeasement of Arabs, and they deserved to be bashed for it. However, if you look closely at the ideology of Multiculturalism, as I have done for some time now, you will notice that it wasn’t spread by France, where the ideal was never Multiculturalism but the assimilation of all groups equally into the secular French Republic. Not that that alternative worked out too well, either.
On the contrary, some writers such as Paul Gottfried have convincingly argued that Multiculturalism and identity politics, which are now eating away at the body of what once was Western civilization, were spread from the English-speaking countries, especially from the United States. This makes sense once you notice that the much-vaunted Anglosphere in fact leads the West in self-destruction. Canada is a Multicultural basket case, as is New Zealand. Britain, in particular England, the cradle of the Anglosphere, is one of the worst — some say the worst — countries in Western Europe, which leaves Australia and segments within the USA resisting their demise. Frankly, I wouldn’t be surprised to see Canada and New Zealand cease being recognizably Western within this century, and the USA being divided into several countries, including perhaps one predominantly white nation incorporating parts of Canada. Australia could stand a better chance of pulling through, but we should remember that it is a demographically vulnerable nation that is geographically merely an extension of Asia.
I’m not sure whether most of Europe, even all of Western Europe, will fall to Islam in the end. Worst case scenario: Muslims will create several smaller Pakistans or Kosovos, for instance one stretching from parts of France via Belgium to the Netherlands, one in regions of England and another one in southern Sweden. The situation in France and England is difficult to predict. France does seem set to become a Muslim country by now, but it is also a nation with an unpredictable revolutionary legacy. England sometimes appears lost, but my gut feeling tells me that there is still some residue left of the old warrior spirit there, which means that they will put up a fight at some point. France and Britain now both face the choice between becoming Islamic or engage in devastating civil wars. This could, ironically, lead to the rise of Germany as the pre-eminent European power. The Germans have significant problems with immigration, too, as do pretty much all Western countries these days, but they are nowhere near as bad as those of the French and the British.
If the Anglosphere implodes in this century due to the Multicultural ideology that it has been promoting and championing, this leaves the possibility that some people of European origins in the New West will flee back to the newly liberated nations of Free Europe. On the global scale, the Sino-American rivalry predicted by many now could fail to materialize. Not necessarily because China won’t be strong enough to rival the US, but because the US — or whatever remains of the US at that point — won’t be strong enough to rival China.
Finally, one comment from a blog reader Mikhail Paul:
I have a mix of extreme pessimism and cautious optimism about the West. North America and England are already gone, as is New Zealand and pockets of Scandinavia— well in the process of demographic race replacement that’s irreversible at this point. But part of Europe is holding its own, especially the German lands, Finland, Denmark and Iceland, and (to my surprise) France, Spain, Portugal and Italy also coming through this. Belgium and the Netherlands could go either way, but seem now to be inclining more toward the self-preservationist tendencies of Finland and Germany rather than the PC self-destruction plan of North America and England. An independent Scotland and Wales may also join in, as will Ireland— Celtic languages like Irish Gaelic, Welsh and Scottish Gaelic, all but moribund today, will likely rebound, as these will be all that’s left of Britain as a Western nation. We do live in interesting times to say the very least.
We certainly do. Whatever the end result will be of this process, with Iraqis moving to Sweden and Swedes to Latin America, Chinese moving to Britain and Britons to Australia, Turks moving to Germany and Germans to the Unites States it is bound to be unsettling for a long time to come. Maybe I should move somewhere quiet to watch the whole mess from a distance, somewhere the masses won’t follow. What about Antarctica?
Pardon my appropriate of the CWII ping list. This is an interesting article on the massive transformation of the West that we are in the midst of. It seems likely to be of interest to many of you.
Interesting article, but so far out and broad I don’t know what to say. Isn’t it just as possible that we build the fence, stop illegal immigration and anchor babies, and go on as usual, a Western nation?
huh??
The Muslims will still try to kill you
now make it into a fictionalized book and call it “The last White Man on Earth”
You have to understand that this is written by a European (Nordic) about events in Europe.
The Christians in Europe are exclusively of the type we know here as the liberal protestant "main stream denominations" that, here, are constantly doing things like appointing homosexual bishops, decrying Isreal, etc.
Europe does not have a large "Christian Conservative" movement, nor does it have the types of more conservative Christian churches that we do: Evangelical, Baptist, independent Bible Churches, etc.
Thus, the comment.
The nation-state now known as the United States of America can't last forever. It needs to survive as long as my grandchildren. We all need to work on measures to preserve it.
But the muslims are in the tent and America is letting more in every day, legally. At this point, it's just a demographic race to dominance, a race we can win only by importing a bunch of Mexicans and convincing them they are on our team, not the muslim's team. Absent massive immigration from Mexico or American women suddenly deciding to have more than two babies earlier than the age of 40, the war is already lost.
If muslims get to 15-20% of the population, we are in deep stuff. Europe is already there. And they are in deep stuff. As the author suggests, at this point, the only alternative to Islamic domination of England, France etc is a bloody civil war and extermination of the muslim population. The muslims have already declared that war. The question is, are we yet hard enough to do the nasty things that will be required to win it. I think we will eventually get there; but it will probably be too late.
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As the author suggests, at this point, the only alternative to Islamic domination of England, France etc is a bloody civil war and extermination of the muslim population.
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But the reality is that the Muslims are less than 3% of Britain right now. It’s a bit early to declare that only civil war stops Islamic domination.
Amen.
Stand by to Stand To.
Ad Triarios Redisse!
I disagree. I was recently in Hyde park with my 7 year old son. He saw a playground and lots of kids and wanted to play. The playground was full of burkhas towing 7-10 kids each (this is Hyde park near Kensington, not the slums) but we let him go in to blow off some steam anyway.
My boy started introducing himself to the other kids and getting games going. At which point a burkha would detach itself from the gaggle of burkhas, gather up her child and whisk him away to the other side of the playground. It happened three or four times before my boy gave up and we went to the Wellington Arch, which was cool.
I don't believe the three percent figure for a moment. Everywhere you go in London, you see large numbers of burkhas towing a huge flock of children. And everywhere you go, the attitude amongst them is hostility to and complete isolation from the mainstream culture. But it doesn't really matter whether it's 3% or 10% now. As long as the burkhas remain defiantly isolated and keep dropping three times as many babies as English women, we are only talking when, not whether.
Maybe England can avoid civil war. I think the odds of that are low if the English don't want their granddaughters to be wearing burkhas.
the author mentioned that some of the ‘old warrior’ spirit possibly resides in england . I agree with that; if it comes to it they will not go down without a fight. I have talked with too many people who live there who DON’T like what is going on
dunno why the governments are letting this happen it is so preventable and so foolish. I think...the governments want to make their citizens more downtrodden and dependent
Comparing the two maps, I’d say we have a lot bigger problem than England.
Nod.
I understand the official statistics. But those might be akin to measuring the US Hispanic population based on hispanic citizens.
Do they have an illegal alien problem in Britain as well? It would explain the worry along with the low official numbers of muslims.
Wait a minute? Where did he get this from?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1878913/posts?page=45#45
Free Republic was first with this prediction, as with many others!
- John
The nations of Europe - and perhaps the US and Canada, as well - face only two possible futures:
1. Boxcars, -or-
2. Burqhas
Two, and only two.
Which do you favor?
- John
Hopefully there are some other options.
I note that the author does not mention Poland, which has (so far) very little islamic incursion. So far, the Poles have been healthily resistant to this braindamaged multicultism which is destroying their neighbors.
Yes. They have. Having just regained their country after 50 years of Russian Communist domination they are in no hurry to give it away to Moslems. I suspect other east block nations may be acting the same.
That seems like an impossible task. But taking down the pagan religions of the Roman Empire by a band of about 500 Jews who had seen the resurrected Christ probably seemed considerably more daunting. It took them a little more than 200 years.
Many Christians in China are now openly saying that it is their historic and great mission to bring the Gospel back to its original home--the middle east. And, in about 20 years, at current growth rates, more Christians will likely live in China than in the rest of the world put together.
I agree. This is by far the best alternative available. It is too bad that President Bush did not understand this in Iraq. One thing he should have done was to write the Iraqi Constitution for them. The left would have howled, but so what, they are children. They never gave him credit for allowing them to have a series of elections and assemblies to create their own Constitution.
After WW2 the US generals (not the eggheads from Foggy Bottom) wrote the Constitutions of both Japan and Germany. Things that those people who not have agreed to were forced on them, as a condition of loss and surrender.
In this way the Emperor of Japan was demoted from a divine being to a “symbol of unity of the people”.
An American created Constitution for Iraq would have guaranteed in the strongest terms: freedom of religion.
This in turn would have opened the country up to the prostelitizing churches of the west.
Ann Coulter was right! (As usual.)
No.
Was born and raised in California. LA Basin to be more exact. I’ve spent my life moving away from the ‘herds’.
They keep coming. With them, they bring their ingrown will to succeed at all costs. You can see it on the roads every day, people running over each other to be first, the most important.
We are killing ourselves, and each other, little by little. Hatred, anger, envy, all those silly commandments, or the lack thereof, are destroying us.
This country was our Eden. God gave it to those of us with the faith to help build it.
Now, our lack of Faith, and truthful leadership, is taking down this country, as the man said, just like the invincible Titanic.
Conversion to Christianity attacks the problem right at the source. Ann Coulter was right in her article right after 911.
Isn’t it just as possible that we build the fence,...
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Why so pessimistic? I’m not ready to give up on common sense and the United States yet.
I believe the British government and possibly several other European governments are, along with the political Left in the US, consciously trying to put what they perceive as The White Race out of business. They believe The White Race and Western Civilization/Christianity to be the source of all major violence and bad attitudes in the world and all the world needs to live in Peace And Harmony and Sustainability is for TWR to disappear.
I agree with everything you say. The question is how to get such “liberated” women to have more than two children.
Third-worlders will not assimilate thanks to multi-culturalism.
We will have to make hard choices if we are to save our civilization.
It would help if us men started acting more like men instead of dithering about when is the "best" time for children. Or that we started accepting that we can live The best time for children is usually shortly after you get married. Even liberated women discover that they are fulfilled by a family in a way that a career cannot.
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