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Climate change worse than feared: Australian expert (We're all gonna die! cont.)
google ^ | 9/20/07

Posted on 09/20/2007 11:48:40 AM PDT by pabianice

SYDNEY (AFP) — Global warming is occurring at a faster rate than the worst-case scenario envisaged by experts just six years ago, Australia's top climate change scientist said Thursday.

Tim Flannery, named the 2007 Australian of the Year for his work in alerting the public to the dangers of global warming, said the issue was the greatest challenge facing humanity in the 21st century.

Flannery said predictions in a 2001 UN report, warning the atmosphere was likely to warm by 1.4 to 5.8 degrees Celsius (2.5-10.4 Fahrenheit) from 1990 to 2100 now appeared conservative.

"In the six years since then, we've collected enough data to (check) whether those projections are valid or not," he said.

"It turns out they're not valid, but in the most horrible way -- because for the key performance indicators about climate, change is occurring far in advance of the worst-case scenario," he said.

"Carbon dioxide's increasing more rapidly, sea levels are rising more rapidly (and) the Arctic ice cap is melting away more quickly than were projected in 2001."

Flannery said the world needed an international organisation similar to the United Nations dedicated solely to climate change.

"The 21st century is going to be about environmental limits," he said.

"There's six billion of us on the planet, there will soon be nine billion, the atmosphere is tiny as a pollution receptacle, clearly that's going to be where the action is.

"But we haven't yet built the structures, the new version of the UN that helps us deal with the global pollution crisis as a species."

Flannery said nations needed to "de-carbonise" their economies by 2050, increasing reliance on geo-thermal, nuclear and renewable energy.


TOPICS: Australia/New Zealand; Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: agw; australia; climatechange; doomage; globalwarming; globalwarmingscare; hucksters; killmenow; medicineshow; oz; paganfundamentalism; wearedoomed
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1 posted on 09/20/2007 11:48:51 AM PDT by pabianice
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To: pabianice

That’s it!

I’m moving to Mars! Who’s with me?


2 posted on 09/20/2007 11:51:12 AM PDT by Tenacious 1 (No to nitwit jesters with a predisposition of self importance and unqualified political opinions!)
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To: pabianice

Well, at least he considers nuclear power an alternative.


3 posted on 09/20/2007 11:53:02 AM PDT by GSWarrior
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To: pabianice

Meanwhile this morning it was 42 degrees at our house in LA County (mountains).


4 posted on 09/20/2007 11:53:32 AM PDT by Argus ("Don't Tase me bro!")
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To: pabianice
Flannery said the world needed an international organisation similar to the United Nations dedicated solely to climate change.

Yeah, that'll fix it! The UN does so well...............

5 posted on 09/20/2007 11:53:47 AM PDT by Red Badger (ALL that CARBON in ALL that oil & coal was once in the atmospere. We're just putting it back!)
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To: pabianice
Tim Flannery, named the 2007 Australian of the Year for his work in alerting the public to the dangers of global warming,

Named by whom?

6 posted on 09/20/2007 11:54:13 AM PDT by pgyanke (Duncan Hunter 08--You want to elect a conservative? Then support a conservative!)
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To: pabianice

Does this factor in the recently discovered Y2K errors in NASA’s temperature data? I’m guessing no.


7 posted on 09/20/2007 11:54:35 AM PDT by DrGunsforHands
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To: pgyanke

By Algores Book. You know that Nobel winner or almost ran.


8 posted on 09/20/2007 11:55:36 AM PDT by K-oneTexas (I'm not a judge and there ain't enough of me to be a jury. (Zell Miller, A National Party No More))
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To: pabianice
"Carbon dioxide's increasing more rapidly"

OK....everyone....hold your breath!

9 posted on 09/20/2007 11:56:05 AM PDT by NRA1995 (Mr. President and Congress: This is OUR country and don't you forget it!)
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To: pabianice
I need a few months notice so I run the credit card bills up.

An American Expat in Southeast Asia

10 posted on 09/20/2007 11:56:27 AM PDT by expatguy (Support Conservative Blogging - "An American Expat in Southeast Asia")
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To: pabianice

He’s way wrong here. Econutjobs have been projecting the complete melting of the Antarctic Ice Cap by 2030 for nearly 30 years now, and nothing of the sort has even begun to happen.


11 posted on 09/20/2007 11:56:40 AM PDT by Post Toasties (It's not a smear if it's true.)
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To: pabianice

I can’t wait until they retire the salt trucks in my area!


12 posted on 09/20/2007 11:57:47 AM PDT by Post Toasties (It's not a smear if it's true.)
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To: Tenacious 1

Sorry FRiend,

Last report was that Mars is in the midst of global warming also.

http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/mars_ice-age_031208.html


13 posted on 09/20/2007 11:58:33 AM PDT by crazyshrink
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To: Tenacious 1

Mars is warming too!


14 posted on 09/20/2007 11:58:55 AM PDT by weegee (NO THIRD TERM. America does not need another unconstitutional Clinton co-presidency.)
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To: pabianice
Climate change worse than feared: Australian expert (We're all gonna die! cont.)

About a year ago AlGore gave us only about 10 years to begin massive global transfers of wealth (buying his carbon credits) to third world countries or global warming would consume us.

Now it's much, much worse, I guess it's now already too late, so live it up!

15 posted on 09/20/2007 12:00:12 PM PDT by RJL
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To: pgyanke

Professor Timothy Fridtjof Flannery (born 28 January 1956) is an Australian mammologist, palaeontologist and global warming activist. Flannery was named Australian of the Year in 2007 and presently an adjunct professor at Macquarie University. His controversial views on shutting down conventional coal burning for electricity in the medium term are frequently cited in the media.


The Australian of the Year Awards commenced in 1960. From nominations received, Australia Day Committees in each state and territory select several finalists and recipients for their respective state and territory Australian of the Year Awards. These recipients are announced at functions in November and December each year, and from these, the National Australia Day Council Board selects the recipients in each national award category.

The national awards are announced on the eve of, and presented on, Australia Day (January 26) each year.

The Australian of the Year Awards recognise and reward those Australians who have a consistent record of excellence, who have made outstanding achievements in their field, and contributed in a significant way to the nation.

Sounds like a poularity contest.


16 posted on 09/20/2007 12:00:57 PM PDT by saganite
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To: crazyshrink
Venus is hotter:


17 posted on 09/20/2007 12:01:13 PM PDT by weegee (NO THIRD TERM. America does not need another unconstitutional Clinton co-presidency.)
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To: Tenacious 1

I’ll do the cooking if you clean the bathroom!


18 posted on 09/20/2007 12:01:52 PM PDT by SoKatt
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To: pabianice
sea levels are rising more rapidly

From what I've heard, sea levels aren't rising at all.

If anybody has any data on actual sea level changes, as opposed to projected ones, I'd like to see it.

19 posted on 09/20/2007 12:02:19 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: K-oneTexas

20 posted on 09/20/2007 12:03:51 PM PDT by crazyshrink
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To: pabianice
Flannery said nations needed to "de-carbonise" their economies by 2050, increasing reliance on geo-thermal, nuclear and renewable energy.

This would have the lovely side-effect of completely defunding Saudi Arabia and the other terror sponsors.

21 posted on 09/20/2007 12:04:09 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: saganite

Thanks for the info.


22 posted on 09/20/2007 12:04:34 PM PDT by pgyanke (Duncan Hunter 08--You want to elect a conservative? Then support a conservative!)
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To: pabianice

Climate change worse than feared: Australian expert (We’re all gonna die! cont.)
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“Women and minorities, hardest hit”


23 posted on 09/20/2007 12:06:27 PM PDT by TheRake (Still Taxed to death in Michigan....it's getting worse.....and worse)
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To: pabianice
1. CO2 is plant food.

2. Those most keen on convincing the rest of us that the climate is changing seem to not comprehend that that's what it does.

24 posted on 09/20/2007 12:06:59 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (The color blue tastes like the square root of 0?)
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To: pgyanke

No problem. The professor and I are in closely related fields. He’s a mammologist and I’m a mammaryologist.


25 posted on 09/20/2007 12:08:04 PM PDT by saganite
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To: pabianice

Chill!!!!!!!

There is an easy and quick fix if in fact the Arctic is melting.

Simply put Hillary at the North Pole!!!!!!!

Hey, do it even if it isn’t melting too!!!!!!!!!


26 posted on 09/20/2007 12:11:00 PM PDT by crazyshrink
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To: Tenacious 1; All

“I’m moving to Mars! Who’s with me?”

No, the better movement will be to move to Mars the “scientist” cited in this report, and his “friends”. Maybe, while there, they can come up with just how Earth’s CO2 is escaping into the Marian atmosphere and causing its “global warming”.


27 posted on 09/20/2007 12:11:20 PM PDT by Wuli (u)
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To: pabianice
Do these quotes sound like they come from a scientist?

"In the six years since then, we've collected enough data to (check) whether those projections are valid or not," he said.

How much is "enough data"? How do you determine a projection for a time period that has not occurred yet is valid or not? Did the original projection determine interim results?

"It turns out they're not valid, but in the most horrible way -- because for the key performance indicators about climate, change is occurring far in advance of the worst-case scenario," he said.

It turns out..Most horrible way.....far in advance....

Scientific terminology?

"Carbon dioxide's increasing more rapidly, sea levels are rising more rapidly (and) the Arctic ice cap is melting away more quickly than were projected in 2001."
More rapidly than what ?

"The 21st century is going to be about environmental limits," he said.
Its not going to be about the OJ trial?

"There's six billion of us on the planet, there will soon be nine billion, the atmosphere is tiny as a pollution receptacle, clearly that's going to be where the action is.
Soon we will have 9 billion. How soon? How will so many people come about when we have no food, land or resources after global warming destroys the earth?

"But we haven't yet built the structures, the new version of the UN that helps us deal with the global pollution crisis as a species."
If the old version of the UN let us destroy the earth by failing to control global warming how will the new improved version work. Oh yeah, and how in the world is a scientist an expert on global goverment?
28 posted on 09/20/2007 12:13:16 PM PDT by Raycpa
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To: Tenacious 1
There is much more ocean in the southern hemisphere to buffer temperature swings. Ocean heats and cools much more slowly than land. There are far less people, pollution, and CO2 from fuel burning. The Coriolis effect greatly limits the amount of northern CO2 that can pass into the south, and the Hadley air circulation cell makes a vertical wind wall at the equator. Australia is isolated from northern greenhouse gases. In fact the south is a prototype of the Great Green Utopia: no white people, everyone living in mud huts. Why then would Australia be experiencing climate change? Could it be from the Sun?
29 posted on 09/20/2007 12:19:22 PM PDT by Reeses (Leftism is powered by the evil force of envy.)
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To: Raycpa

From his Wikipedia entry (best I could do in one minute):

Professor Timothy Fridtjof Flannery (born 28 January 1956) is an Australian mammologist, palaeontologist and global warming activist. Flannery was named Australian of the Year in 2007 and presently an adjunct professor at Macquarie University. His controversial views on shutting down conventional coal burning for electricity in the medium term are frequently cited in the media.

Methinks he’s working outside his field here.


30 posted on 09/20/2007 12:20:47 PM PDT by NewHampshireDuo (Earth - Taking care of itself since 4.6 billion BC)
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To: NewHampshireDuo
I found a picture


31 posted on 09/20/2007 12:24:59 PM PDT by Raycpa
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To: Tenacious 1
I’m moving to Mars! Who’s with me?

Not me! In case you haven't heard, Mars is warming faster than us! I say we look for another solar system that is more stable and doesn't have such "wild" swings in climate! Warp speed Sulu!

32 posted on 09/20/2007 12:25:04 PM PDT by mc5cents (Show me just what Mohammd brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman)
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To: crazyshrink

Yeah, but I bet you can get property pretty cheap.


33 posted on 09/20/2007 12:26:07 PM PDT by Conservative4Ever (Hoping my 'carbon footprint' has crushed a few liberals)
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To: pabianice
Global warming alarmism is the new version of animism. The modern neopagans and especially the eco-pagans will require actual sacrifice to their sun gods.


34 posted on 09/20/2007 12:35:12 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the occupation media.)
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To: Sherman Logan

If anybody has any data on actual sea level changes, as opposed to projected ones, I’d like to see it.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

When the tide comes in they rave about “rapidly rising sea levels”. When the tide goes out they quote the “core rate” without the low tide figured in. Kinda the reverse of the way the government does with inflation.


35 posted on 09/20/2007 1:05:15 PM PDT by RipSawyer (Does anybody still believe this is a free country?)
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To: RipSawyer

Actual changes in sea level would create great need for changes in ports and other installations. I’ve seen nothing about this.


36 posted on 09/20/2007 1:13:25 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: pabianice

37 posted on 09/20/2007 1:15:06 PM PDT by dfwgator (The University of Florida - Still Championship U)
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To: pabianice

I thought I saw a report earlier this week that the Pacific Ocean temperature had peaked and was beginning to cool.

Of course this story was not picked up by the mainstream media.

The last couple night one of the evening news programs has been playing the ice melting in Greenland; of course, the story did not provided the background that the Viking’s settlers had farmed some of this same land during the Middle Ages.


38 posted on 09/20/2007 1:34:07 PM PDT by remur389
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To: pabianice

There hasn’t been a sunspot in a week.

We’re going to get very cold if this continues.


39 posted on 09/20/2007 1:42:05 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: Tenacious 1
"But we haven't yet built the structures, the new version of the UN that helps us deal with the global pollution crisis as a species."

Moving Flannery to mars would a lot cheaper.
And a lot more fun!

40 posted on 09/20/2007 1:53:57 PM PDT by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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To: saganite
- mammaryologist-

That’s a career I have been reaching for all my life!

41 posted on 09/20/2007 2:01:04 PM PDT by B4Ranch
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To: pabianice
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42 posted on 09/20/2007 2:04:57 PM PDT by JerseyHighlander
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To: pabianice

from Wikipedia:

Sea level has risen about 130 metres (400 feet) since the peak of the last ice age about 18,000 years ago. Most of the rise occurred before 6,000 years ago. From 3,000 years ago to the start of the 19th century sea level was almost constant, rising at 0.1 to 0.2 mm/yr. Since 1900 the level has risen at 1 to 2 mm/yr

>>The operative sentence is “since 1900.” As is evident to the naked eyes from the chart at the site, there is no recent acceleration. The trend is a straight line. For at least the past 100 years, the sea level has been rising by a very slow rate.

I suspect that actual measurements would show that this trend began around 1800, since so many other things that are correlated with global warming began rising back then.

Back in 1800, almost of all of mankind was in a primitive state, and only a few million were just starting in the industrial revolution. The potential of steam power was hardly developed, and the idea of an internal combustion engine had not yet been conceived.

Even so, we may be able to effect climate change, whether or not we are a major contirbutor to it. Using nuclear energy is a very good idea. It may be a LOT easier to remove carbon dioxide from the atmosphere by planting trees than to try to cut down on our emissions of cardon dioxide.


43 posted on 09/20/2007 2:53:17 PM PDT by Redmen4ever
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44 posted on 09/20/2007 5:37:14 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Oh, Geesh, not THIS crap AGAIN?!?)
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To: pabianice; All

Here’s the Money Quote. ALL of these ‘Global Doomage’ articles have ‘em:

“But we haven’t yet built the structures, the new version of the UN that helps us deal with the global pollution crisis as a species.”

We just need to throw more money (down a rat hole) at the problem and it will go away! :)


45 posted on 09/20/2007 5:43:05 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: pabianice
Flannery said nations needed to "de-carbonise" their economies
by 2050, increasing reliance on geo-thermal, nuclear and renewable energy.


Hmmm,
So Flannery has no automobile, lives in a solar/wind-power-only
house and doesn't have any resource-consuming offspring.
And never consumes fossil fuels when traveling to attend scientific
meetings.

I'd salute him if he does all that.
But still wonder why he hasn't done his green duty and turned
himself into compost.

But, as another poster noted: at least he's sane enough to consider
nuclear energy.
46 posted on 09/20/2007 5:54:08 PM PDT by VOA
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Well, at least he considers nuclear power an alternative.

Yea....but not in his back yard.


47 posted on 09/20/2007 6:25:14 PM PDT by steveab
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To: Argus

We had snow in Wisconsin last week when the average high is still in the mid seventies.


48 posted on 09/21/2007 1:41:49 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: pabianice

There was an excelent presentation about global warming by Patrick Moore, co-founder of Greenpeace and co-chair of the Clean and Safe Energy Coalition (CASEnergy), on C-SPAN last week.

He has a very interesting perspective on causation and what we can do for clean energy. I’m including a link to the program here.

http://inside.c-spanarchives.org:8080/cspan/cspan.csp?command=dprogram&record=555222792

In a nutshell, he presents a theroy that over the last 1 billion years, the earth has actually been much warmer than it is now, with little ice at the poles. He cites points in history to match it up with warming trends.

I’d recommend it for anyone who is still on the fence about the cause of global warming, or is interested in a fresh take on clean energy.


49 posted on 09/21/2007 2:26:56 AM PDT by dajeeps
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To: Argus
Meanwhile this morning it was 42 degrees at our house in LA County (mountains).

It was 48 yesterday morning here in SW Virginia, but this morning, it's 63.

OMG! That's a 15 degree increase! In just one day!!!!

He may be on to something....

(Or at the least, on something....)

50 posted on 09/21/2007 2:51:38 AM PDT by dirtbiker (I'm a liberal's worst nightmare: a redneck with a pickup, a library card, and a conceal carry permit)
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