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Police chiefs call for ban on assault weapons
Miami Herald ^ | Sep. 20, 2007 | SUSANNAH A. NESMITH

Posted on 09/20/2007 12:42:47 PM PDT by neverdem

The International Association of Chiefs of Police urged Congress to pass `an effective assault weapons ban.'

The International Association of Chiefs of Police issued a report Wednesday calling for a ban on assault weapons, arguing it will make officers safer by reducing the ``firepower available to criminals.''

The report hits home this week in South Florida, where law enforcement officials are still reeling from the murder of one of their own. Miami-Dade Mayor Carlos Alvarez, a former police officer and police director, gets angry when he talks about the fact that the gun used to kill Officer Jose Somohano was legal.

''There's absolutely no reason I can see having these weapons out on the street,'' he said.

His voice rising, he brings up Shawn LaBeet, the man who killed Somohano and shot three other officers: ``This guy just went to a gun store with a fake ID and bought one.''

Somohano was killed with a Mak-90, a modified assault rifle that was not covered by the assault weapons ban that expired three years ago. A bill in Congress now would ban it, but that legislation hasn't made it out of committee.

Police say LaBeet bought nine guns in the past year, including six assault rifles.

Local police say the number of murders committed with assault weapons has been steadily rising since the ban expired in 2004. They've become popular on the street, Miami Police Chief John Timoney said.

''It's become fashionable, if you will,'' he said. ``It's almost the gun of choice.''

In Miami, four people were killed with assault weapons in 2003. Last year, 15 murders were committed with assault weapons. So far this year, 12 people have been killed with high-powered guns.

Dr. David Shatz, a University of Miami trauma surgeon at Jackson Memorial Hospital, sees the trend in the emergency room.

''The appearance of violent crime has dropped in half in the last six or seven years,'' he said. ``But assault weapon injuries seem to be increasing.''

Without an assault weapon ban, local law enforcement officers say they're forced to ramp up their own arsenals.

Miami police recently decided to allow officers to carry assault rifles. Last year, the Broward Sheriff's Office allowed deputies to carry them. Fort Lauderdale police have been allowed to for six years.

Miami-Dade police have plans to do the same, Alvarez said. But he doesn't think that will solve the problem, because officers can't carry them on every call.

''They're not going to get out of their cars on a traffic stop with an assault rifle slung over their shoulder,'' he said. ``They're not going to approach a house with an assault rifle in their hands.''

Local law enforcement officials say they're looking to Congress for an answer.

''This is not a local issue. It has local implications, obviously. A police officer was just killed here,'' said Timoney, an ardent gun control advocate.

``The resolution of this is in the nation's capital. But there's no appetite to address that.''

U.S. Reps. Ron Klein, D-Boca Raton; Alcee Hastings, D-Miramar, and Kendrick Meek, D-Miami, all said Wednesday they support a new assault weapon ban.

''That officer was killed by an assault weapon that shouldn't have been in anybody's hands, at all,'' Hastings said angrily Wednesday.

The National Rifle Association was provided with a copy of the IACP report, but did not return phone calls for comment. Several Republican lawmakers also did not return phone calls.


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AL DIAZ/MIAMI HERALD STAFF
City of Miami Police Chief John Timoney: 'The resolution of this is in the nation's capital. But there's no appetite to address that.'
Police chiefs: Restore assault weapons ban

This is two days in a row for this paper and author. The neoCOM base is getting way out of control.

1 posted on 09/20/2007 12:42:50 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem
“reducing the ``firepower available to criminals.’”

BS BS BS. nuff said.

2 posted on 09/20/2007 12:45:16 PM PDT by hophead ( "Enjoy Every Sandwich")
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To: neverdem

Assault weapons owners call for ban on the International Association of Chiefs of Police.


3 posted on 09/20/2007 12:46:07 PM PDT by magslinger (Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors. And miss. R.A.Heinlein)
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To: neverdem
''There's absolutely no reason I can see having these weapons out on the street,'' he said.

Except for the hurricane aftermath - when there are no police. And for riots - when the police are busy elsewhere. And for terrorists - when the police are not around...

4 posted on 09/20/2007 12:46:13 PM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: neverdem

Domestic Enemy

5 posted on 09/20/2007 12:46:52 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: All

How about a ban on illegal aliens....if they are gonna break the law entering the country...they ain’t gonna follow no weapons laws


6 posted on 09/20/2007 12:47:35 PM PDT by UCFRoadWarrior (FantasyCollegeBlitz.com)
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To: neverdem

Of course, this is the same organization that was just purchased outright by the Joyce Foundation, so this little press release is no surprise...

http://armsandthelaw.com/archives/2007/09/joyce_foundatio_9.php


7 posted on 09/20/2007 12:48:26 PM PDT by ajwharton
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To: neverdem
It is already illegal for criminals to own any weapon. So what's the point?

These people are morons.

8 posted on 09/20/2007 12:48:49 PM PDT by Cobra64 (www.BulletBras.net)
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To: neverdem

“Dr. David Shatz, a University of Miami trauma surgeon at Jackson Memorial Hospital, sees the trend in the emergency room.

‘’The appearance of violent crime has dropped in half in the last six or seven years,’’ he said. “

Yes it has. Violent crime dropped because...... On March 23, 2005, The Florida Senate passed SB-436, the “Castle Doctrine” unanimously, by a vote of 39 YEAS to zero NAYS.

And the fact it is a “must issue” state.


9 posted on 09/20/2007 12:49:39 PM PDT by hophead ( "Enjoy Every Sandwich")
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To: neverdem

“The International Association of Chiefs of Police urged Congress to pass `an effective assault weapons ban.”

Which means, of course, that The International Association of Chiefs of Police has no idea what the political definition of an “assault weapon” is.

Surrounded by morons!!


10 posted on 09/20/2007 12:51:54 PM PDT by vetsvette (Bring Him Back)
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To: neverdem

I personally don’t give a damn what the National Association of Police Chiefs calls for. The Police Chiefs Association for one does not speak for rank and file officers, they are puppets who speak for the politicians who hire them. A police chief is hired by a mayor, a city manager or a city council and he can be fired by those same people. When the nation’s sheriffs speak up I then listen because sheriffs are elected to office by the citizens of this country and they answer directly to each and every voter. That’s why you’ll never see a group of sheriffs posed in pictures around liberal politicians.


11 posted on 09/20/2007 12:51:57 PM PDT by Plains Drifter (If guns kill people, wouldn't there be a lot of dead people at gun shows?)
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To: ajwharton

Thanks for the link.


12 posted on 09/20/2007 12:52:06 PM PDT by neverdem (Call talk radio. We need a Constitutional Amendment for Congressional term limits. Let's Roll!)
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To: neverdem
I read the word International in their name and saw no need to read further. Typical. Globalists.
13 posted on 09/20/2007 12:52:22 PM PDT by Ides of March (Beware.)
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To: neverdem
The International Association of Chiefs of Police urged Congress to pass "an effective assault weapons ban."

The International Association of Chiefs of Police issued a report Wednesday calling for a ban on assault weapons, arguing it will make officers safer by reducing the "firepower available to criminals."

Why, yes! Of course! All we have to do is make guns illegal and they'll disappear. It's so brilliant, yet so simple. I wonder why nobody has thought of this before today?

After all, the ban on the growth of marijuana has stopped marijuana production and made it impossible to obtain in the USA. The ban on methamphetamine production and possession has eradicated that particular horror from our midst. Drunk driving laws have completely put to rest the fear of being struck by an intoxicated driver.

Moreover, laws restricting the flow rate of my shower head guarantee that there will never again be a drought in America. The laws barring illegal entry into my country make it certain that the only competition I have for employment comes from other legal workers.

Overall, I just love laws! They solve everything.

Have a problem? Just get a law passed, and your problem goes away. Criminals will stop being criminals just as soon as we pass enough laws to leave them no other option!

Up with laws, regulations and widespread government control of everything! Call your congressman today! Do it now! Tell him that you want more laws so your life can be perfect. Obviously, the only reason it isn't perfect already is that there aren't enough laws!

14 posted on 09/20/2007 12:53:29 PM PDT by TChris (Governments don't RAISE money; they TAKE it.)
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To: 2banana

And that pesky little thing called the 2nd Amendment...


15 posted on 09/20/2007 12:53:54 PM PDT by rockrr (Global warming is to science what Islam is to religion)
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To: neverdem

A policeman’s job is only easy in a police state.
- Orson Welles


16 posted on 09/20/2007 12:55:18 PM PDT by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (Remember the Alamo, Goliad and WACO, It is Time for a new San Jacinto)
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To: neverdem
The International Association of Chiefs of Police urged Congress to pass `an effective assault weapons ban.'

An oxymoron proposed by morons.

17 posted on 09/20/2007 12:58:42 PM PDT by Disambiguator (What's the temperature, Albert?)
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To: neverdem

Stupid


18 posted on 09/20/2007 12:59:46 PM PDT by wastedyears (George Orwell was a clairvoyant.)
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Golf club = assault weapon


19 posted on 09/20/2007 1:01:07 PM PDT by wastedyears (George Orwell was a clairvoyant.)
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To: neverdem

There has been a push in Miami/Dade for the evillookinggun ban for a number of years.

And this Looney Timooney even LOOKS like an officer straight out of the 3rd reich.


20 posted on 09/20/2007 1:02:38 PM PDT by woollyone (whyquit.com ...if you think you can't quit, you're simply not informed yet.)
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To: neverdem
Don't worry...the Police will keep you safe!


21 posted on 09/20/2007 1:07:31 PM PDT by montag813
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To: neverdem
''They're not going to get out of their cars on a traffic stop with an assault rifle slung over their shoulder,'' he said. ``They're not going to approach a house with an assault rifle in their hands.''

Why not!! I see Israelis wandering around all over their cities with AWs slung over their shoulders. I suspect that the knowledge that a LEO was packing a fully auto AW would be quite the little deterrent.

22 posted on 09/20/2007 1:08:19 PM PDT by Cuttnhorse
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To: neverdem; Abram; akatel; albertp; AlexandriaDuke; Alexander Rubin; Allerious; Allosaurs_r_us; ...
Libertarian ping! To be added or removed from my ping list freepmail me or post a message here.
23 posted on 09/20/2007 1:10:04 PM PDT by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/Ron_Paul_2008.htm)
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To: neverdem
So far this year, 12 people have been killed with high-powered guns.

I know y'all are familiar with this, but this statement makes no sense.

The AK-47, the stereotypical "assault weapon," with a typical load develops 1478 foot pounds of kinetic energy.

My bolt-action 7mm, by no means the most powerful rifle out there, develops 3178.

Yet they call the AK the "high-powered gun!"

24 posted on 09/20/2007 1:10:18 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: neverdem

Hey chiefs,Name one law that criminals obey!


25 posted on 09/20/2007 1:10:57 PM PDT by omega4179 (Leftists feel things, Conservatives know things.)
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To: 2banana

For the terrorists and invaders the same government willfully allow to enter our country.


26 posted on 09/20/2007 1:12:16 PM PDT by omega4179 (Leftists feel things, Conservatives know things.)
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To: neverdem

How has the chief defined assault weapon?


27 posted on 09/20/2007 1:13:13 PM PDT by Paperdoll ( Vote for Duncan Hunter in the Primaries for America's sake!)
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To: neverdem

So now we should ban illegals since they are running over and shooting citizens right and left — right chief?

Miami — think New Orleans without the levees.


28 posted on 09/20/2007 1:14:11 PM PDT by Tarpon
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To: neverdem
``It's almost the gun of choice.''

This phrase to justify control on inanimate objects angers me to no end, just as bad as the everpopular "it's for the children"...

29 posted on 09/20/2007 1:14:49 PM PDT by NativeSon (off the Rez without a pass...)
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To: neverdem
"This guy just went to a gun store with a fake ID and bought one"

Maybe they should make it illegal to use fake IDs.

30 posted on 09/20/2007 1:17:29 PM PDT by steve-b (It's hard to be religious when certain people don't get struck by lightning.)
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To: neverdem
Folks, wait until Hillary and the Democratic Congress gets elected in 08. The gun grabbers will be in complete control.
31 posted on 09/20/2007 1:18:27 PM PDT by Uncle Hal
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To: Plains Drifter
"A police chief is hired by a mayor, a city manager or a city council and he can be fired by those same people."

You're 100% correct about that Plains Drifter. Police Chiefs in this country are nothing but political lap dogs for Mayors.

The IAPC has spoken in support of gun control for decades.

32 posted on 09/20/2007 1:19:57 PM PDT by VR-21
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To: TChris

” Overall, I just love laws! They solve everything.”

You are so right. Why not just ban murder!..........oh yea, it is. Why has it not stopped then?


33 posted on 09/20/2007 1:20:59 PM PDT by hophead ( "Enjoy Every Sandwich")
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To: neverdem

Keep in mind 90% of chiefs are idiots and do not speak for the majority of line officers.


34 posted on 09/20/2007 1:22:07 PM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: Paperdoll

“How has the chief defined assault weapon?”

It is like porn, you know it when you see it.


35 posted on 09/20/2007 1:22:52 PM PDT by hophead ( "Enjoy Every Sandwich")
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To: magslinger

I agree. Most of the terrorism and assults experienced here in the U.S. after 9/11 have been at the hands of law enforcement. There isn’t a day goes by that there isn’t 5 news stories or videos showing the violence displayed by cops against the citizenry. Meanwhile, gangs and hoodlums control all the cities. Cops, like teachers and journalists, tend to finish in the bottom 1/3 academically, and it shows!I lost all respect for most police.


36 posted on 09/20/2007 1:24:07 PM PDT by moonman
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To: neverdem
''The appearance of violent crime has dropped in half in the last six or seven years,'' he said. ``But assault weapon injuries seem to be increasing.''

Umm... how can he tell? As I understand it, an "assault weapon" is something defined in a long and complicated legal statement that few human beings (if any) know by heart. And since some elements of the definition involve structural features of the gun, they don't make a visible difference in the wound.

Considering this article as an argument for a weapon ban, the first problem I see is confusion of cause and effect (assuming that if you could get rid of a stylish weapon you'd thereby stop the acts now being committed with it), and the second is the legal phrase "assault weapon" being tossed around by people who probably don't know what it means.
37 posted on 09/20/2007 1:28:57 PM PDT by xenophiles
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To: neverdem
But . . but . . but . . I always thought the police were our friends.

Maybe I'll have to rethink that.

38 posted on 09/20/2007 1:30:03 PM PDT by logician2u
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To: neverdem

He looks like an idiot. He should know that “banning” any kind of gun means that hones, law-abiding people will not have them but criminals will buy them easily on the street.


39 posted on 09/20/2007 1:31:50 PM PDT by Leftism is Mentally Deranged (stupidity!)
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To: Leftism is Mentally Deranged

No, No and NO


40 posted on 09/20/2007 1:35:02 PM PDT by veracious
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To: neverdem
The International Association of Chiefs of Police urged Congress to pass `an effective assault weapons ban.'

Molon labe

41 posted on 09/20/2007 1:37:29 PM PDT by holymoly (Thompson/Hunter 2008)
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To: neverdem

“There’s absolutely no reason I can see having these weapons out on the street,”
How about to help keep the govt. out of our daily business?
Read The Federal Siege at Ruby Ridge where the f.b.i., b.a.t.f. and other law agencies went beyond stupid.
HOw about to help keep govt from becoming too oppressive?
How about to help keep you and yours safe when good cops aren’t around to help?


42 posted on 09/20/2007 1:39:53 PM PDT by Joe Boucher (An enemy of Islam)
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To: neverdem

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43 posted on 09/20/2007 1:43:39 PM PDT by beltfed308 (Rudy: When you absolutely,positively need a liberal for President.)
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To: neverdem
"''There's absolutely no reason I can see having these weapons out on the street."

Well, what do you expect from a ex Boston coat holder for various liberal/leftist/Democrats? How about for their Constitutional intended purpose? To violently overthrow the government and its organs of oppression? You know, like an armed militia? On the move? Like half the police, and half the military?

44 posted on 09/20/2007 1:44:44 PM PDT by Leisler (Just be glad you're not getting all the Government you pay for.)
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To: neverdem

Translation: TAXPAYERS PAY FOR POLICE CHIEF TO PARTY AT A CONFERENCE.

(chief’s try to “look busy”)


45 posted on 09/20/2007 1:46:56 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: neverdem; traviskicks
"There's absolutely no reason I can see having these weapons out on the street," he said.

His honor, the good Mayor doesn't seem to comprehend that the right of the people to keep and bear arms does not hinge upon his understanding of anything.

46 posted on 09/20/2007 1:53:15 PM PDT by NCSteve (I am not arguing with you - I am telling you. -- James Whistler)
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To: neverdem

“The International Association of Chiefs of Police”

There’s the problem right there...the International Associatioin. Globalist lickspittle.


47 posted on 09/20/2007 2:02:09 PM PDT by Hornet19 (It's Time to Put Up or Shut Up...Where Do You Stand?)
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To: Leisler
Well, what do you expect from a ex Boston coat holder for various liberal/leftist/Democrats?

Not Boston. NYC & Philly agrees with my memory. Pardon the Wiki reference.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Timoney

48 posted on 09/20/2007 2:04:33 PM PDT by neverdem (Call talk radio. We need a Constitutional Amendment for Congressional term limits. Let's Roll!)
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To: moonman
I think you might be painting with too wide of a brush. There are many fine men who become LEOs, although I have met a few who got into police work because of an inability to master the Fryolator 3000.

Police Chiefs are a different catagory altogether. Most have mediocre police skills at best but excel in office politics. Also, in many (liberal) cities, having a leftist political orientation is a big plus for promotion. I wonder how many police chiefs actually believe the bravo sierra they spout. I suspect more than a few say the stupid things they do just to impress the city council and the liberal voters who elected them.

49 posted on 09/20/2007 2:04:37 PM PDT by magslinger (Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors. And miss. R.A.Heinlein)
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To: neverdem
His job is to support our constitution. Even the parts, like the second amendment, that he seems to despise. If he won’t respect, support, and enforce our constitutional rights then he should be fired and replaced by someone who will.
The way this works is simple. If the liberal cops and judges do not take violent criminals off the street then those criminals commit more violent crimes. At this point the liberal cops and judges who didn’t do their jobs get to blame the guns, President Bush, the NRA, and conservatives for a violent incident that they themselves allowed to happen
I hope you noted that there is no mention of the liberals actually blaming the criminals for the violent acts that they committed.
It is exactly that simple!!!!!!!!
They get away with it all the time. We the people need to make our point very clearly. If you can not or will not do your job without taking away our constitutional rights then you need to be instantly fired and we need to find someone who can do the job. We do not need to hear you anti constitution and anti gun crap. We need you to protect and serve the people and not play god.
50 posted on 09/20/2007 2:08:17 PM PDT by oldenuff2no (My dad ldft for Europe in)
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