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Argentina Fury At UK Bid For Falklands Seas
The Telegraph (UK) ^ | 9-23-2007 | Oliver Balch - Colin Freeman

Posted on 09/22/2007 7:42:46 PM PDT by blam

Argentina fury at UK bid for Falkland seas

By Oliver Balch in Buenos Aires and Colin Freeman
Last Updated: 1:00am BST 23/09/2007

Argentina has reacted furiously to plans by Britain to lay claim to vast new tracts of potentially oil and gas-rich territories in the seas off the Falklands.

In a move likely to add new heat to the long-running diplomatic dispute, British officials are preparing to submit a bid to the United Nations to prove that thousands of extra square miles of the surrounding ocean floor are geographically part of the islands.

The claim follows a new approach in international law which holds that a nation's legitimately-held territory can extend up to 350 miles from its coast, if it can verify that it is part of the shoreline's underlying continental shelf.

In the case of the Falklands, that could extend the zone of British exploration rights on the seabed well beyond its existing 200-mile boundary, bringing it into direct conflict with Argentinian claims the other way.

Last night, after details of the legal submission were revealed by British government lawyers, the Argentinian government said it would fight the application vigorously.

Ruperto Godoy, the Argentinian State deputy who is president of a parliamentary group set up to lobby on his government's continued claim to sovereignty over the islands, told The Sunday Telegraph: "We are completely opposed to this proposition of the UK government to extend its territories. We want to restart dialogue about the Falklands, but the British are ignoring this position.

"It is correct that this area has a high potential for energy resource exploration, but we will not stop from our position of reclaiming our islands."

Britain's application is being filed to the UN Commission on the Limits of the Continental Shelf, that has asked for all such claims to be submitted for consideration by May 2009. Downing Street is also putting in bids for territories around Ascension Island in the mid-Atlantic, and Rockall, a tiny pinnacle more than 200 miles west of the Hebrides.

The bid on the Falklands has been prompted by British interest in the possibility of huge oil, gas and mineral deposits thought to lie deep beneath the South Atlantic.

Last night the Foreign Office insisted there was no certainty that the bid, being prepared by the UK Hydrographic Office, would go ahead.

"We are considering the possibility of making a submission to the UN Commission on the Limits of the Continental Shelf, but no firm decision has been taken yet," said a spokesman. However, Mike Summers, spokesman for the Falkland Islands Legislative Council, told The Sunday Telegraph that the studies had been under way for several years.

"There is a great number of countries around the world who are doing and have been preparing the geological information here for some time, maybe three or four years," he said. "The Argentines will then make a claim in parallel, although I am not sure that they necessarily have the relevant geological information at the moment."

He added, though, that the UN commission would not issue any final binding decision on the matter as long as the ownership of the Falklands was in dispute. "The paperwork has to be put to the UN, as there is a deadline for applications on this matter. But it will then sit on a shelf until there is some movement on the sovereignty issue, and there is no likelihood of that at present."

Nonetheless, Argentina, whose demands for talks on sovereignty have been turned down over the years, views the mere filing of the application as a provocative act.

Mr Godoy said he believed it was "no coincidence" that details of the claim had become public in Britain just days ahead of a speech by Argentina's president, Nestor Kirchner, at the UN in New York. "This shows a lack of understanding of the Argentine position, and if the British do not change their approach we shall have to interpret it as aggression."


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: argentina; energy; falklands; oil; seas; uk
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1 posted on 09/22/2007 7:42:51 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam

Brits better get a Navy building few more ships again or they could borrow chinese ones


2 posted on 09/22/2007 7:46:04 PM PDT by Flavius
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To: blam
The claim follows a new approach in international law which holds that a nation's legitimately-held territory can extend up to 350 miles from its coast, if it can verify that it is part of the shoreline's underlying continental shelf.

Where did this law come from? And what about overlapping claims? Nonetheless, I doubt that WE will ever exert such rights, even when legitimate. Our job is to let the NWO nibble us into small fragments, this to "level the playing field".

3 posted on 09/22/2007 7:47:21 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham (Elections have consequences.)
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To: Flavius
More likely that they would be facing chinese ones.
4 posted on 09/22/2007 7:48:42 PM PDT by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: blam

One falklands war was par for the course. Two is rediculous. Britain ought make a deal with Argentina while a marginally sane government is in place and worry about other stuff instead of trying to get a bigger stake in the oil market.


5 posted on 09/22/2007 7:53:01 PM PDT by dr_who_2
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To: blam

Yep, the Iron Lady is no longer in charge … the Brits could end up with egg on their faces over this one. Not to mention that recent history has shown that the British military can come across as less than stellar in their bravery and combat ability.


6 posted on 09/22/2007 7:57:32 PM PDT by doc1019 (Fred Thompson '08)
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To: blam
Argentina senses that the Muslim Caliphate of Britain will not fare too well if there is another war. Argentina has a better chance this time with what Britain has at its chief this time around...he’s no Maggie Thatcher...
7 posted on 09/22/2007 7:59:23 PM PDT by vetvetdoug
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Amen!


8 posted on 09/22/2007 8:14:43 PM PDT by doc1019 (Fred Thompson '08)
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To: blam

I read a novel on the continuing saga of the Falkland Islands, can’t remember the name of it; Argentina kicks the crap out of the Brits and renames them the Las Malvinas Islands.


9 posted on 09/22/2007 8:14:48 PM PDT by wastedyears (George Orwell was a clairvoyant.)
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“””Not to mention that recent history has shown that the British military can come across as less than stellar in their bravery and combat ability.”””

Bravery? Ah you mean like the U.S military when it’s personnel refused to carry out convoy duty in Iraq in case they got hurt?

As for ‘combat ability’, I believe it’s the USAF that is going around blowing up it’s allies, not the British.


10 posted on 09/23/2007 1:49:38 AM PDT by Mangani
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Not to mention that recent history has shown that the British military can come across as less than stellar in their bravery and combat ability.

How stellar is your bravery and combat ability?

Regards

11 posted on 09/23/2007 2:55:56 AM PDT by ARE SOLE (Agents Ramos and Campean are in prison at this very moment..)
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To: Mad_Tom_Rackham
"Where did this law come from"

UNCLOS. This is no different from Russia's recent claims to the Lonomosov Ridge in the Arctic Ocean.

12 posted on 09/23/2007 4:31:35 AM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: Mad_Tom_Rackham
"And what about overlapping claims"

The validity of a claim or overlapping claims is determined by the commission mentioned in the article, based on technical data.

"I doubt that WE will ever exert such rights"

WE haven't signed the treaty so we can't make claims, nor can we use our tech data to dispute another countries claims, such as Russia's or Canada's.

The US's acceptance of the treaty is an "issue".Clinton signed it, but the Senate has never ratified it. Biden is supposed to take it up soon in Committee, followed by the Senate.

13 posted on 09/23/2007 4:56:02 AM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: vetvetdoug

For the millioneth time: Britain never has been, is not now and never will be a Muslim caliphate.

We have a 2-3% Muslim population. For a ‘caliphate’ we also happen to be the only country outside of the US putting its military into heavy combat in the war on terror.


14 posted on 09/23/2007 6:22:12 AM PDT by uksupport1
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To: doc1019

That is a highly offensive, highly innaccurate statement. The UK military has been the only one outside of the US to actually place itself into heavy combat and it has performed superbly. The British military doesn’t award medals for nothing. Have a look at the dozens of articles about British gallantry on this website. Some awards have been made to UK troops for actions in saving US personnel. The US military has also been superb, but your statement disrespecting the British neglects the US’s own embarrassments:

1) Military personnel captured at sea by Iran without a fight in 2003.

2) British Royal Marines replacing a certain US unit in Afghanistan in 2002 (at the request of the US command) as a certain US unit ‘didn’t do mountains’.

3) The refusal of a unit of US personnel in Iraq to go out on convoy duty. A mutiny over driving supplies.

4) The highly publicised, still debated, incident caught on film where a civilian convoy driver alleged that his US military escprt abandoned him and hs colleagues when under attack.

5) The port of Umm Qasr copntained stubborn pockets of resistance in Iraq during the Iraq invasion in 2003. US forces in the port tried for several days to get rid of it. The Royal Marines subdued the town in 24 hours when called (you may remember that they recieved specific praise for this from the US military).

I could go on.

This compares to:

British embarrassments:

1) Royal Navy personnel captured by Iran

Presumably, by your logic the US military has been even more ‘less than stellar in their bravery and combat ability’.

What a load of nonsense. Both the US and British militaries have performed heroically in Iraq and Afghanistan. By the way: so what if Lady Thatcher isn’t in charge of the UK? You could hardly accuse Britain of being shy when it comes to using its military in recent years.


15 posted on 09/23/2007 6:43:45 AM PDT by uksupport1
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To: blam
The kindest things I can say about the Argentinians is that they behave like Latin America's "muslims".

Delusional, confrontational and obsessed with perceived insults. Also incompetent.

16 posted on 09/23/2007 11:05:59 AM PDT by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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To: uksupport1

Does Britain do a census? What are the results as to the number of Middle Eastern background individuals living in Britain at present...? I left there in the early 50’s and dropped my dual citizenship in 1971...


17 posted on 09/23/2007 12:17:30 PM PDT by vetvetdoug
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To: uksupport1

yeah it gets tiring on these threads reading some of the comments from chum(p)s who dont know any better.

We know the truth though, so damn the rest of the naysayers.

Concerning the article, I must say thats its good to see that we are sticking by our commitment to the Falklands (due in part to economic reasons ;]). Nothing is free on this world, and if we can get a nice big fossil fuel field in the South Atlantic, then us back home get some of the benefits.

As for our ability to defend ourselves and our territories in the event of an attack, I have every confidence. Battle hardened troops, protecting British territory...We would be fine.


18 posted on 09/23/2007 12:44:41 PM PDT by Rikstir
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I support your statements and thanks for the worldwide support.

The Brits on the Falklands won't be suprised by an attack from Argentina this time.

19 posted on 09/23/2007 1:18:43 PM PDT by blam (Secure the border and enforce the law)
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To: vetvetdoug
Does Britain do a census?

Yes, every ten years, the most recent in 2001. Population trends are, however, continually monitored by the Office for National Statistics, and you will find comprehensive information on this and related subjects on their website, http://www.statistics.gov.uk/

20 posted on 09/25/2007 1:34:43 AM PDT by Winniesboy (Spade with which Wilkinson...)
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