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Heads up!! "The War" begins tonight on PBS
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Posted on 09/23/2007 8:54:51 AM PDT by submarinerswife

Edited on 09/23/2007 9:01:27 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

Premeires tonight at 8pm on PBS. 7 part series


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I saw an interveiw with Ken Burns this morning where he says that no one is in this film unless they were fighting in the war or at home waiting for your loved one to come home.

He kept politics out of the documentry.

I have been waiting months for this.

1 posted on 09/23/2007 8:54:54 AM PDT by submarinerswife
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To: submarinerswife
Band of Brothers was excellent! Hopefully this will be up to that standard and to Burn's own Civil War series.
2 posted on 09/23/2007 8:57:45 AM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (IF TREASON IS THE QUESTION, THEN MOVEON.ORG IS THE ANSWER!)
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To: submarinerswife

“He kept politics out of the documentry. “

I hope so. We’ll see


3 posted on 09/23/2007 8:57:54 AM PDT by nuconvert ("Terrorism is not the enemy. It is a means to the ends of militant Islamism." MZJ)
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To: submarinerswife

bump


4 posted on 09/23/2007 8:57:59 AM PDT by Loud Mime (Life was better when cigarette companies could advertise and lawyers could not)
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To: submarinerswife
Oh dear, I messed up. It is a 7 part series.
5 posted on 09/23/2007 8:58:24 AM PDT by submarinerswife ("If I win I can't be stopped! If I lose I shall be dead." - George S. Patton)
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla

Oh the Civil War series was spectacular. I had to buy the DVD collection.

He is not a revisionist who skews the facts, that is for sure. I think his Baseball series was also brilliant.


6 posted on 09/23/2007 9:00:18 AM PDT by submarinerswife ("If I win I can't be stopped! If I lose I shall be dead." - George S. Patton)
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To: submarinerswife

Let me know how well it’s done. The left of center editor of my local rag wrote that he will be watching this show with his son tonight so he can teach his son about the cost of war. I just hope he can understand the costs of not going to war.


7 posted on 09/23/2007 9:00:24 AM PDT by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: submarinerswife

I sure hope he tells the truth as my father flew the Burma Hump in WWII. You did not know if you were going to return everytime you flew.


8 posted on 09/23/2007 9:01:59 AM PDT by freekitty (May the eagles long fly over our beautiful and free American sky.)
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To: submarinerswife

It’s not entirely free of politics. Burns gave in to Hispanic pressure groups that wanted more of their members to be included in the documentary. They’re still pissed off and vowing to boycott it.


9 posted on 09/23/2007 9:02:56 AM PDT by John Jorsett (scam never sleeps)
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To: submarinerswife

so no “Experts” or “Historians” , “Professors”- injecting their bias into the true nature of War?


10 posted on 09/23/2007 9:03:43 AM PDT by Cinnamon
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To: sageb1

You left of center editor might tell his son the brave military gave him the freedom to discuss this series.


11 posted on 09/23/2007 9:03:51 AM PDT by freekitty (May the eagles long fly over our beautiful and free American sky.)
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To: submarinerswife
Under no circumstances will I watch anything from a Damn Leftie like Ken Burns. I don’t care what the reviews are or who sucks up to it I will not watch it.
Somewhere embedded in this so called Documentary is more of the defeatist Left Wing Drivel we have to listen to.
So Ken take your Documentary and shove it where the Sun Don’t Shine!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
12 posted on 09/23/2007 9:05:31 AM PDT by Captain Peter Blood
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To: freekitty
My dad flew B-29's out of Guam.

Participated in the last mission of the war.

I grew up around all these great men, and have always been thankful they were there when our country called them.

Blessings and thanks to your dad. My father passed away in 1981. I will always be grateful.

13 posted on 09/23/2007 9:05:43 AM PDT by Northern Yankee (Freedom Needs A Soldier)
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To: submarinerswife

since PBS (Pravda broadcasting service) is unavailable in my area I’ll have to wait until it comes out on Disk, but if he continues that Roosevelt ended the great depression, then theres politics’s injected.

WWII ended the great depression. Roosevelt fought entering the War,hoping for neutrality.


14 posted on 09/23/2007 9:08:01 AM PDT by mtnjimmi (“When you choose the lesser of two evils, always remember that it is still an evil.” Max Lerner)
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To: submarinerswife

In Hi-Def if you got it. Burns’ Civil War was the best thing ever produced for television and this one is supposed to be better? I don’t see how.


16 posted on 09/23/2007 9:15:39 AM PDT by Mike Darancette (Democrat Happens!)
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To: sageb1
The left of center editor of my local rag wrote that he will be watching this show with his son tonight so he can teach his son about the cost of war.

That will backfire because the son will see the reason for war.

17 posted on 09/23/2007 9:17:46 AM PDT by Mike Darancette (Democrat Happens!)
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To: John Jorsett
They’re still pissed off and vowing to boycott it.

If you boycotted PBS, would anybody really notice?

18 posted on 09/23/2007 9:18:14 AM PDT by dirtbiker (I'm a liberal's worst nightmare: a redneck with a pickup, a library card, and a conceal carry permit)
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To: Captain Peter Blood
Under no circumstances will I watch anything from a Damn Leftie like Ken Burns.

Can you point out the leftist slant in The Civil War, Baseball, and Jazz? I must have missed it somewhere along the way.

19 posted on 09/23/2007 9:20:17 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Save Fredericksburg. Support CVBT.)
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To: Northern Yankee

Mine passed in 2001 and two of his best friends, one who worked for him up until his death were POWs. His very best friend’s brother is still missing in that war.


20 posted on 09/23/2007 9:32:36 AM PDT by freekitty (May the eagles long fly over our beautiful and free American sky.)
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To: Northern Yankee

My father also flew out of Guam on B-29’s. He was the Co-Pilot and said he was on Tinian when the bomb arrived,he said he had no idea what it was. He died in 1992 of ALS (Lou Gehrig disease).


21 posted on 09/23/2007 9:35:42 AM PDT by Stardust558
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To: submarinerswife
“He kept politics out of the documentary."

Impossible.

I've heard from Oliver Stone, Micheal Moore, and now Ken Burns.

22 posted on 09/23/2007 9:39:26 AM PDT by ChadGore (VISUALIZE 62,041,268 Bush fans. We Vote.)
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To: submarinerswife
He kept politics out of the documentry

He kept politicans out of the documentry. There's a huge difference between the two.

23 posted on 09/23/2007 9:49:00 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla

Band of Brothers was good, But it killed the US WW2 reenactor. After B.O.B, Everyone wanted to be 101st Airborne and everyone thought they were LT Spears.
I wish someone would do something on little Known units, like the “ Bloodbucket” A PA National Guard unit that fought hard and was almost destroyed.


24 posted on 09/23/2007 9:57:46 AM PDT by Yorlik803 ( When are we going to draw a line a say"this far and no farther")
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To: freekitty

25 posted on 09/23/2007 10:00:35 AM PDT by RightWhale (25 degrees today. Phase state change accomplished.)
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To: Yorlik803

It’s kind of like the stories on Gettysburg, which always talk about Joshua Chamberlain’s Maine regiment (and virtually no one else) on the second day.


26 posted on 09/23/2007 10:04:54 AM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (IF TREASON IS THE QUESTION, THEN MOVEON.ORG IS THE ANSWER!)
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To: freekitty
My dad was a Korean War vet, artillery gunnery sargent. He passed away in 1997, from diabetic complications following bypass surgery.

One of my uncles was a POW to the Germans during WWII, he passed in 1992 of brain cancer.

Another uncle was with the Army Corp of Engineers that built the Radford Army Ammunition Plant near where I live (It's still cranking out munitions for our armed forces.)

Other uncles of mine have served as support for the military in some capacity or another.

27 posted on 09/23/2007 10:09:29 AM PDT by dirtbiker (I'm a liberal's worst nightmare: a redneck with a pickup, a library card, and a conceal carry permit)
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla

Good Point.
Maybe some units need better PR people.


28 posted on 09/23/2007 10:10:35 AM PDT by Yorlik803 ( When are we going to draw a line a say"this far and no farther")
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My father worked on a AA gun crew. Their chief duties was to shoot down Buzz Bombs hitting London. They shot down something like 8 out of 10. The Brits were very pleased.
Dad passed away when I was 3 years old, but he kept all his Company newletters and paperwork. It was very interesting reading.


29 posted on 09/23/2007 10:15:24 AM PDT by Yorlik803 ( When are we going to draw a line a say"this far and no farther")
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To: submarinerswife
I will believe that politics were left out of it if they show some happy Iraqis and positive results. Not a whitewash job, just the complete story.

So many documentaries are technically accurate, but by omission they don't show any positive things. By omission they become political.

30 posted on 09/23/2007 10:17:45 AM PDT by Sender (Dar al-harb, USA)
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I saw an interveiw with Ken Burns this morning where he says that
no one is in this film unless they were fighting in the war or
at home waiting for your loved one to come home.
He kept politics out of the documentry.


Well, that's a good start.
If Burns doesn't do a repeat of his Sominex-substitute "Jazz"
and "Baseball" series...he might just field a winner!
31 posted on 09/23/2007 10:18:00 AM PDT by VOA
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To: Sender

Oh, sorry...WWII. Well. Erase my last thought. I will check it out.


32 posted on 09/23/2007 10:18:50 AM PDT by Sender (Dar al-harb, USA)
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To: Yorlik803

Need to take Tom Hanks out for a drink, perhaps.


33 posted on 09/23/2007 10:19:05 AM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (IF TREASON IS THE QUESTION, THEN MOVEON.ORG IS THE ANSWER!)
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To: freekitty

“I sure hope he tells the truth as my father flew the Burma Hump in WWII.
You did not know if you were going to return everytime you flew.”

YEARS ago, I read some of Ernest K. Gann’s books about his time in
early aviation and into flying transport in WWII.

His recounting of some flights (civilian and for the military)
were harrowing...and just short of being “beyond belief”.

IIRC, he talked about some of the nearly psychedelic mental effects
of flying un-pressurized transport version of the B-24.
It’s amazing that any of them returned alive from a string of those
trips.


34 posted on 09/23/2007 10:28:51 AM PDT by VOA
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To: submarinerswife

Burns has a great track record. I’m betting this one will also be a winner. I’ll be watching.


35 posted on 09/23/2007 10:29:54 AM PDT by fish hawk (The religion of Darwinism = Monkey Intellect)
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http://www.pbs.org/thewar/?campaign=pbshomefeatures_1_thewarbrakenburnsfilm_2007-09-23
.................Coming Soon! On September 23 an in-depth, interactive Web site will be available right here. The site will feature information about the witnesses who share their experiences throughout the film; a close-up look at the four communities featured in the film; extensive information about the series and the filmmakers; and a searchable database containing hundreds items used in the making of THE WAR.


36 posted on 09/23/2007 10:35:22 AM PDT by blu (All grammar and punctuation rules are *OFF* for the "24" thread.)
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To: submarinerswife

I heard his interview with Bob Costas,where he said there was lots of critism against Lincoln during the Civil war,and FDR in WWll,and then proceeded to critise President Bush for the war on terror.Apparently the irony went right over his head.


37 posted on 09/23/2007 10:37:00 AM PDT by Gill (Gill)
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To: blu

PBS’s site also has a downloadable viewers guide, for the teachers amongst us.

I plan on taping it, then dvr-ing it for a really loooonnnnng flight.


38 posted on 09/23/2007 10:37:27 AM PDT by blu (All grammar and punctuation rules are *OFF* for the "24" thread.)
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My mom has a photo album of the pictures dad sent back from Korea. He had little notes and commentary on each one. I last looked at it about 8 years ago.

He was section chief for a battery of 105's that fired regularly at a mountain called "Ol' Papasan". This mountain was honeycombed with tunnels that the N.Koreans dug to get past our lines. Sometimes, they would fire for 48 hours straight; at night, the gun barrels would glow red.

Dad said that mountain was about 40 feet shorter when he left, and a lot of N.Koreans were killed there when the tunnels caved in on them....

39 posted on 09/23/2007 10:39:53 AM PDT by dirtbiker (I'm a liberal's worst nightmare: a redneck with a pickup, a library card, and a conceal carry permit)
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My dad was in the 995th FA BN, as a FA radio opeator.

He fought in the campaigns in the Ardennes, Central Europe, Naples-Foggis, Rhineland, and Rome-Arno.

BTW all with the wrong blood type listed on his dog-tag. When he came home and married my mom, he got back the blood test. He did not have type O, but A+.

I am curious if he gets into any of the footage since he was standing by one of the photographers as Monte Cassino was being bombed.

He died when he was 55, the age I will be in less than one month.

40 posted on 09/23/2007 10:41:53 AM PDT by mware (By all that you hold dear..on this good earth... I bid you stand! Men of the West!)
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I heard his interview with Bob Costas,where he said there was lots of criticism against Lincoln during the Civil war,and FDR in WWll,and then proceeded to critise President Bush for the war on terror.Apparently the irony went right over his head.
41 posted on 09/23/2007 10:43:43 AM PDT by Gill (Gill)
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To: Non-Sequitur
To be honest with you Non, I found the similiarites between how McCleenan ran for the presidential election in 64 very similiar with how I suspect the Dem will run in 08.

As I recall McCleenan ran as a Democrat against Lincoln and hinted that if he won the election he would make peace with the South.

Not surprising he won in NJ, heck they made him their governor.

42 posted on 09/23/2007 10:47:08 AM PDT by mware (By all that you hold dear..on this good earth... I bid you stand! Men of the West!)
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To: VOA
There is hope! I got the episode list from PBS, one of the episodes is titled FUBAR! Also, our local PBS is scheduing a "catch-up" next Sunday, showing the previous episodes all day. I've been looking forward to this for a long time! And for those who are concerned about the lack of this battle or that battle, I believe the focus of the piece is on 4 AMERICAN towns and their vets. So, unless someone from that town in Minnesota was the sniper at Stalingrad(?)...we won't hear about it.
43 posted on 09/23/2007 10:50:09 AM PDT by blu (All grammar and punctuation rules are *OFF* for the "24" thread.)
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To: mware
My dad was only 66. Our birthdays were 6 months apart (mine December 29th, his, June 29th). He passed away on January 29th, 1997.

He had a brother who died when he and mom got married, who was only 21. Seven years later, they gave their first born his brother's first name.

So far, I've more than doubled my namesake's age (48), and I have no intentions of stopping!

44 posted on 09/23/2007 10:50:27 AM PDT by dirtbiker (I'm a liberal's worst nightmare: a redneck with a pickup, a library card, and a conceal carry permit)
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It feels so strange when I think about how young he was when he died. (at least by my present perspective)

He was overseas since North Africa in 43 and did not get home until late 45, he married my mom and had 7 children, sending two of them off to college before his death.

Not bad, dad, not bad at all.

45 posted on 09/23/2007 10:56:21 AM PDT by mware (By all that you hold dear..on this good earth... I bid you stand! Men of the West!)
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I was being a bit harsh on Ken Burns for the liesurely pace of his
“Jazz” and “Baseball” documentaries.
I’m usually the one that my friends/family will accuse of being a
fan of “slow-paced” productions from the BBC or other international shows.
I may not be a big fan of all of Burn’s work-product...but generally
I’d say they beat a lot of the other competitors in the history-documentary market.

Burns and his crew do a great job of documenting pivotal moments
of US history/culture.
I hope Burns and Co. do a bang-up job with their WWII documentary.
And just tell the truth of what happened.
That’s the best way to telling a great history.
Because people realize “Hey, these are real, human, fallible people
that accomplished this task...the sort of thing that the ancients
would usually attribute to a “g-d” or mythic figure.

And I hope some day Burns And Co. will do a BIG special on the American
Revolution (I don’t think they have yet).
It would be great if they went on-site for many of the Revolutionary
Battles...even the ones that happened on what are now totally urban
sites in Boston, NYC, etc.


46 posted on 09/23/2007 11:01:27 AM PDT by VOA
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To: submarinerswife
"This is not the "Good War". This is the "Worst War Ever" - responsible for the deaths of nearly 60 million people."

Video Interview with Ken Burns on MSNBC

47 posted on 09/23/2007 11:03:31 AM PDT by Leroy S. Mort
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The Civil War, Baseball, Jazz — all excellent. If Michael Moore is the example of what a documentarian shouldn’t be, Ken Burns is nan example of what they should. If anyone can summarize WWII in a mere 14 hours, Burns is that man. I’ve set the DVR to record the series.

My one and only gripe with Burns is that he gives, in my view, too much weight to the “color line” as the main thread in American history. In the Cilvil War, Baseball and Jazz, the main theme is always race. And black folks certainly did a lot of hard work for little credit during WWII — it’s a story that needs telling. But its not the only, or even the main, story. I hope Burns keeps it in perspective.


48 posted on 09/23/2007 11:05:23 AM PDT by ReignOfError
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To: VOA

Exactly, my dad liked to tell people he flew whiskey and nurses; that is if he told anyone anything until he got a lot older. They didn’t talk much about that war. And he wouldn’t eat rice for the rest of his life.


49 posted on 09/23/2007 11:16:50 AM PDT by freekitty (May the eagles long fly over our beautiful and free American sky.)
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To: VOA

And to add to it; the fog was so thick the odds you were going to run into the mountains.


50 posted on 09/23/2007 11:18:30 AM PDT by freekitty (May the eagles long fly over our beautiful and free American sky.)
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