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Anti-war Republican
Baltimore Sun ^ | September 23, 2007 | Paul West

Posted on 09/23/2007 9:52:12 AM PDT by Captain Kirk

Rep. Ron Paul of Texas, an old-fashioned conservative with a strong libertarian streak, inspires a small but growing base of fervent admirers with his strict interpretation of Congress' powers

No matter who shows up at this week's Republican presidential debate in Baltimore, it's a good bet the biggest applause will go to the most conservative man onstage.

He's Rep. Ron Paul, a perfect protest candidate for 2008. Trained as a physician, he's "Dr. Paul" to a small but growing base of fervent admirers - more than a few of whom could fairly be called zealots.

Around the Capitol, the Texas congressman is "Dr. No," for his frequent, and often lonely, insistence on opposing any legislation that, in his view, exceeds the authority explicitly given to Congress by the framers of the Constitution.

Now, at 72, this enemy of central government is finding overnight success in some unusual places, such as college campuses.

(Excerpt) Read more at baltimoresun.com ...


TOPICS: Politics/Elections
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1 posted on 09/23/2007 9:52:14 AM PDT by Captain Kirk
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Ron Paul Revolution Ping.


2 posted on 09/23/2007 9:52:48 AM PDT by Captain Kirk
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To: Captain Kirk

“Now, at 72, this enemy of central government is finding overnight success in some unusual places, such as college campuses.”

Yes and we know that success is because of his small government stance. It has nothing to do with sharing the same defeatist opinion in regards to a certain war. Yeppers, sure, you bet.


3 posted on 09/23/2007 9:55:47 AM PDT by L98Fiero (A fool who'll waste his life, God rest his guts.)
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To: L98Fiero
Yes and we know that success is because of his small government stance. It has nothing to do with sharing the same defeatist opinion in regards to a certain war. Yeppers, sure, you bet.

Did you read the article? Paul prominently displays his small government stands which are far more consistent that the other candidates. BTW, if you are right, why aren't these college kids supporting Kucinich?

4 posted on 09/23/2007 9:57:44 AM PDT by Captain Kirk
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To: Captain Kirk

The proper small-government response to 9/11 would be to send a punitive military expedition to the Middle East. Find the enemy, kill them, and leave smoking ruins.

But don’t tell them how to live, or what kind of government they should have.


5 posted on 09/23/2007 9:59:49 AM PDT by proxy_user
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To: Captain Kirk

“Rep. Ron Paul of Texas, an old-fashioned conservative with a strong libertarian streak, inspires a small but growing base of fervent admirers “

“Growing” primarily from democrats and various other misfits who can’t stomach supporting an adult candidate. He’s not a drain on Republicans.


6 posted on 09/23/2007 10:02:45 AM PDT by elfman2 ("As goes Fallujah, so goes central Iraq and so goes the entire country" -Col Coleman, USMC ,4/2004)
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To: Captain Kirk

“BTW, if you are right, why aren’t these college kids supporting Kucinich?”

They are. Where do you think the majority of his support comes from?

“Paul prominently displays his small government stands which are far more consistent that the other candidates.”

Agreed. That said, the college kids like him despite that fact, simply because of his stance on the war. They don’t support him, they support his opinion on the war. Everything else is just smoke and mirrors.

Think Joe Lieberman and Ned Lamont, except in reverse. Conservatives supported Lieberman in that election simply because of his war stance. This is no different.


7 posted on 09/23/2007 10:03:36 AM PDT by L98Fiero (A fool who'll waste his life, God rest his guts.)
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To: proxy_user
The proper small-government response to 9/11 would be to send a punitive military expedition to the Middle East. Find the enemy, kill them, and leave smoking ruins.

But don't forget that immediately after 9/11, the Lugnut Rockwell types opposed doing exactly that. They used all the same arguments against intervention of any kind, even only in Afghanistan, that they now use against Iraq.

8 posted on 09/23/2007 10:04:53 AM PDT by BlazingArizona
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To: proxy_user

Problem is that a “private military” must be maintained at high (and expensive) tempo in peace time to achieve those kind of capabilities. And indiscriminate killing in today’s wired world creates more enemies than it kills.


9 posted on 09/23/2007 10:06:07 AM PDT by elfman2 ("As goes Fallujah, so goes central Iraq and so goes the entire country" -Col Coleman, USMC ,4/2004)
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To: mnehrling; ejonesie22; Dr. Frank fan; Petronski; lormand; MNJohnnie; elhombrelibre; BlackElk

I have a craving for a burrito supreme and some nachos.


10 posted on 09/23/2007 10:06:15 AM PDT by Allegra (The Surge Works While the Democrats "Betray Us.")
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To: L98Fiero

The Lieberman/Lamont analogy doesn’t work. There were only three (actually two) candidates in that race.


11 posted on 09/23/2007 10:09:16 AM PDT by Captain Kirk
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To: Captain Kirk

Ru paul is a nit wit, period!


12 posted on 09/23/2007 10:09:44 AM PDT by jmaroneps37 (Union work: comparable value for twice the price.)
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13 posted on 09/23/2007 10:12:24 AM PDT by Allegra (The Surge Works While the Democrats "Betray Us.")
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To: elfman2

Well, the alternative is true isolationism. No foreigners admitted, no one allowed to leave.


14 posted on 09/23/2007 10:15:10 AM PDT by proxy_user
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To: proxy_user

BTW, how “private” can an organization be when it only has one client and all its operating parameters are tightly set by the government?


15 posted on 09/23/2007 10:15:28 AM PDT by elfman2 ("As goes Fallujah, so goes central Iraq and so goes the entire country" -Col Coleman, USMC ,4/2004)
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To: Captain Kirk

Loony Tunes candidate with a bunch of numb nut dimwit followers, and that is my toned down politically correct statement.... not how I really feel


16 posted on 09/23/2007 10:16:07 AM PDT by LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget (In regards to Ron Paul, Please see http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1889318/posts)
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To: Captain Kirk

Ron Paul’s anti-war shrieking is the only thing that keeps him in the news. Take that away and let him preach libertarian themes alone...and...yawn... no media coverage.


17 posted on 09/23/2007 10:20:17 AM PDT by rhombus
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To: proxy_user

“Well, the alternative is true isolationism. No foreigners admitted, no one allowed to leave.”

Another alternative is that you have a crippled conception of diametrically opposed “proper” alternatives, and neither apply to reality. Your world model may not be applicable to human nature.


18 posted on 09/23/2007 10:21:18 AM PDT by elfman2 ("As goes Fallujah, so goes central Iraq and so goes the entire country" -Col Coleman, USMC ,4/2004)
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To: L98Fiero
I've had the opportunity to talk to a few young people about Rep. Paul and it is his limited government stance. IIRC a few years ago there were some studies showing the younger folks were more conservative than they had been in the past. And that message is catching on with a group that is having the first opportunity to vote in a Presidential election.

Yes perhaps the anti-police action stance is valid to an extent. But there are a few people I know in their 20s that are getting out in the work force and realizing their paychecks have these huge chunks out of them they weren't expecting. They want that money back and they realize the same ol' same ol' isn't going to get it this time.

What it looks like is a generation has been raised to be conservative and many of them (thank God) are still idealistic in their view of conservatism. The only candidate that represents that idealistic view (true limited government) to them is Ron Paul.

19 posted on 09/23/2007 10:21:29 AM PDT by billbears (Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it. --Santayana)
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To: Captain Kirk

I would venture to say that if Paul was a registered Libertarian , he would not have near the support he currently has.

Much ( not all ) of Paul’s support comes from Deaniacs and other sordid Leftist types that are using his campaign as a vehicle in an attempt to change the politics of the Republican primary / party .

The Dim side is full of anti - war candidates and there is not much work to be done there , in their opinion . The Republican party , on the other hand , is quite a different story ...


20 posted on 09/23/2007 10:27:59 AM PDT by Neu Pragmatist (Stop Rudy - Vote Thompson - A vote for Hunter or Romney is a vote for Rudy and Hillary !)
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To: billbears

It seems silly that Paul is called a ‘protectonist’.

How do you call someone who voted for and supported MFN for China, protectionist? He was even against trade sactions for Iran and Iraq.

“Texas Republican Rep. Ron Paul, who says he voted for MFN because of his libertarian belief in free trade” http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1571/is_n26_v13/ai_19601315 -———————————

On July 27, by a vote of 170 to 260, the House failed to pass a joint resolution rejecting President Clinton’s decision to continue Normal Trade Relations (NTR)-formerly called Most Favored Nation trade relations-with Communist China for another year.

Rep. Ron Paul (R.-Tex.) opposed the bill, saying, “Trade policy should never be mixed with the issue of domestic political problems.” Paul, who strongly opposes U.S. military intervention, also said that “it is true that nations that trade are less likely to go to war with one another.”

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3827/is_199908/ai_n8855771

-—————— “China’s record on human rights has been far from perfect, but there aren’t many perfect nations in the world. Even the United States government has been known to abuse the liberties of her own citizens. The important point is that removing MFN status from China will do nothing to improve the lives of the citizens of China, and many believe it could make conditions worse.

It is also inconsistent to deny MFN status to countries like Iran, Iraq, and Libya because of their civil rights positions. For instance, because Iraq grants greater personal freedom, it actually treats its citizens and Christians in a more favorable way than do Saudi Arabia and Kuwait. U.S. sanctions against Iraq have been outrageously immoral by starving children and denying medical care that could be obtained if they were allowed more free trade.

Some complain about the trade imbalance and Red China’s accumulation of American dollars, but this is no threat. If the Red Chinese didn’t buy our debt, the Federal Reserve would have to.”

http://freedompage.home.mindspring.com/june97tx.htm

Also:

By a margin of 150 to 71 (Roll Call no. 338, 260-170, 7/27/99) House Republicans voted to support Bill Clinton’s extension of Most-Favored-Nation (MFN) status for Red China, which status results in a transfer of wealth from the American economy to the Chinese economy amounting to more than $60 billion per year. The 150 Republicans who voted with Clinton and against America’s best interests were: , Paul (Tex.), etc.

http://www.conservativeusa.org/vote-rec99.htm


21 posted on 09/23/2007 10:30:51 AM PDT by AuntB (" It takes more than walking across the border to be an American." Duncan Hunter)
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To: Allegra
You found a perfect depiction of the Paulites.



Just copied for future use too.

22 posted on 09/23/2007 10:34:01 AM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: elfman2

I know perfectly well that it wouldn’t work.

That’s why the Libertarian candidate gets less than 1% of the vote. Their theory sounds great, but it wouldn’t suit most people.


23 posted on 09/23/2007 10:34:14 AM PDT by proxy_user
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To: Captain Kirk
Would these be the college kids wearing Ron Paul t-shirts while marching with A.N.S.W.E.R. last weekend in DC?
24 posted on 09/23/2007 10:34:55 AM PDT by jennyjenny
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To: AuntB
"which status results in a transfer of wealth from the American economy to the Chinese economy amounting to more than $60 billion per year."

Then how come there’s $60 billion of goods over here, and $60 billion of electronic dollars over there?

25 posted on 09/23/2007 10:36:50 AM PDT by elfman2 ("As goes Fallujah, so goes central Iraq and so goes the entire country" -Col Coleman, USMC ,4/2004)
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To: Captain Kirk
"Rep. Ron Paul of Texas, an old-fashioned conservative..."

That's when the words turned into steaming excriment.

Ron Paul blames America for Islamic hate. That is total lunacy, and is a fatal qualifier for being a "Conservative"

Take this crap over to DUmmie-land or Moveon.org.

26 posted on 09/23/2007 10:39:49 AM PDT by lormand (Anti-Iraq War kooks need to GTFO of FreeRepublic)
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To: Captain Kirk
"...why aren't these college kids supporting Kucinich?"

It still hasn't dawned on you yet?

Remember the leftist who hijacked McCain's campiagn in 04'?

I doubt you even remember that.

27 posted on 09/23/2007 10:41:38 AM PDT by lormand (Anti-Iraq War kooks need to GTFO of FreeRepublic)
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To: Captain Kirk

Libertarian and Conservative are two separate things. I used to belong to a Libertarian blog group but had to leave it because when push came to shove, they sided most often against America, against the military and they have very different views about abortion and other family issues. I finally, in spite of some very good writers among the group, decided that enough was enough. I don’t trust Ron Paul to be conservative enough. He agrees with Hillary far too much to be comfortable.


28 posted on 09/23/2007 10:45:43 AM PDT by Shery (in APO Land)
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To: billbears
"Yes perhaps the anti-police action stance is valid to an extent."

GTFO of here with our "police action" leftist spew.

Dubyas is saving your ass whether you like it or not. In your case, you don't like it, and I take exception to Dubya saving your ass.

29 posted on 09/23/2007 10:50:23 AM PDT by lormand (Anti-Iraq War kooks need to GTFO of FreeRepublic)
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To: Allegra

I need some socks. Can you tell me the best place to buy socks?


30 posted on 09/23/2007 10:52:29 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (http://www.vetsforfreedom.org/)
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To: Captain Kirk
10% of Pauls support is senile old Buchannites to stupid to realize their Neo isolationists dogmas got them less then 1% of the vote in 2000. That they have ZERO chance of electing anyone to anything with their basically ignorant, basically insane 1930s era political dogmas.

The other 90% are wack job Anti American Leftists who only are supporting Paul because they think he will be their Trojan Horse to splint the conservative movement and elect Hillary.

That 90% is NEVER going to vote for any Republican on A General Election ticket. The Paul-bots are simply kidding themselves if they think their boy can win anything. Heck, he cannot even win the Freeper Members poll. And if you cannot win the Freeper members poll as a “Conservative” you are going NO where in the primaries.

31 posted on 09/23/2007 10:59:14 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (http://www.vetsforfreedom.org/)
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To: lormand

So all the Paul support is just a diabolical Kucinich conspiracy......riiight. Your tin foil hat ia a little crooked today


32 posted on 09/23/2007 10:59:20 AM PDT by Captain Kirk
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To: Captain Kirk

Because Kuncinich has NO chance to win where supporting Paul they hope to fractionalize the Conservative base


33 posted on 09/23/2007 11:00:14 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (http://www.vetsforfreedom.org/)
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To: billbears
Limited Govt?

How it defending Congressional Earmarks, as Paul does, for Limited Govt?

How is pigging out on over $400 million in earmarks to fat cat special interest groups showing his fidelity to “limited Govt” principals.

Paul is a fraud who says all these nice sounding things to keep all the fringe Know Nothing Buchannaites types all excited while being just another good old boy politician in reality.

34 posted on 09/23/2007 11:03:25 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (http://www.vetsforfreedom.org/)
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To: jennyjenny

Yes, the Run Paul crowd is in bed with the Left on the war and the Neo-Nazis and al Qaeda on Israel.


35 posted on 09/23/2007 11:03:56 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (RUN Paul - a man proudly putting al Qaeda's interest ahead of America's.)
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To: Captain Kirk
No, don't make that conclusion just to comfort yourself.

The troll-support is a simple political trick where partisans use any legal method they can to skew the results of a poll among candidates to highlight the issue, not the candidate.

In this case, anti-war derangement has reached a fever pitch, and the anti-war left is hijacking TehRon Paul's campaign for one issue alone, guess which one it is?

How does it feel to side with Moveon, DUmmies, George Soros, Cindy Sheehan, Harry Ried, Nancy Peloci and other filth on this issue, the most critical one above all others?

Anti-Iraq War kooks need to GTFO of FreeRepublic

36 posted on 09/23/2007 11:10:14 AM PDT by lormand (Anti-Iraq War kooks need to GTFO of FreeRepublic)
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To: L98Fiero

I disagree with Paul on the war but I have more confidence in his integrity than anyone else running in either party and unless something changes he will get my vote.


37 posted on 09/23/2007 11:11:39 AM PDT by gunnedah
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To: Captain Kirk
Nice to have a real candidate to waste my vote on this year.

John McCain should have been kicked out of the GOP(and the Senate) for his sponsorship of the Campaign Finance "Reform" bill which bears his name.Thompson should seek a new season of whatever the hell it is he appears in on TV.Romney should pack his dog on top of his car again and see the country,and leave governing it to someone else.Giuliani.Rudi Julie-Annie.Rudolf "Rico" Giuliani.

Rep. Ron Paul of Texas, an old-fashioned conservative with a strong libertarian streak, inspires a small but growing base of fervent admirers with his strict interpretation of Congress' powers...Around the Capitol, the Texas congressman is "Dr. No," for his frequent, and often lonely, insistence on opposing any legislation that, in his view, exceeds the authority explicitly given to Congress by the framers of the Constitution...Paul takes a hard line on immigration issues and wants to repeal the provision of the 14th Amendment that grants citizenship to immigrants' children born in this country.

For all the complaining on this board about politicians who don't follow the constitution,you'd think Paul would attract more support here.Equating Paul with Kucinich is about the most naive thing I've seen posted here."hey Hitler had an army,we have an army too,.We're just like Hitler."

Love that Baltimore Sun,too.An object lesson in biased writing.I've excerpted a few choice words,no doubt offered up to the writer by his word processor when dealing with a conservative...fervent...zealots...fringes...ideology...isolationist...viral...white supremacist...hard-line...

38 posted on 09/23/2007 11:14:33 AM PDT by hschliemann
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To: lormand
Dubyas is saving your ass whether you like it or not

I know!! Before he came into office 'they' were going to build a mosque right next door!! Oh that's right 'they' weren't. Go get back in your safe zone under the bed junior. The scare rhetoric is no longer working, as evidenced by the poll numbers, signifying a growing discontent in the general electorate.

39 posted on 09/23/2007 11:38:55 AM PDT by billbears (Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it. --Santayana)
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To: MNJohnnie

Ah yes leave it to you to bring up a dead horse that’s already been beaten soundly and whose message has been discredited as false. But you really don’t have anything else do you? Do me a favor, go find the biggest government ‘conservative’ you can and vote for him eh?


40 posted on 09/23/2007 11:41:04 AM PDT by billbears (Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it. --Santayana)
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To: Allegra

I say go for it. You have job security, so enjoy...


41 posted on 09/23/2007 11:48:03 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (I don't use a sarcasm tag, it kills the effect...)
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To: elhombrelibre
Yes, the Run Paul crowd is in bed with the Left on the war and the Neo-Nazis and al Qaeda on Israel.

WOW, that's quite a feat! Beneath that kind and gentlemanly exterior, Paul is an evil genius who has pulled together a conspiracy to end all conspiracies. Who knew?

Now....all he has the do to make the picture complete is to recruit the Illuminiti, 33rd degree Masons, wife beaters, vegans, tree huggers, and the rapper fans who wear those hip hugging pants.

42 posted on 09/23/2007 11:49:08 AM PDT by Captain Kirk
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To: Captain Kirk

He’d take their support if they’d give it. He’s got no scrupples about whom he takes support from.


43 posted on 09/23/2007 11:52:49 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (RUN Paul - a man proudly putting al Qaeda's interest ahead of America's.)
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To: elhombrelibre
He’d take their support if they’d give it. He’s got no scrupples about whom he takes support from.

No scrupples about taking support from the Iluminati and 33rd degree Masons! My God, he he must be stopped.

44 posted on 09/23/2007 11:54:36 AM PDT by Captain Kirk
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To: MNJohnnie
I need some socks. Can you tell me the best place to buy socks?

Well, I pretty much have to buy mind online, and I've found Hanes www.onehanesplace.com to have quite a nice selection.

I ordered some recently and will be excited to receive my new socks.

This event may even warrant its very own thread.

(I'm NOT watching the football scores...score is too close...can't stand it....NOT gonna watch...)

45 posted on 09/23/2007 11:59:16 AM PDT by Allegra (The Surge Works While the Democrats "Betray Us.")
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To: ejonesie22
I say go for it. You have job security, so enjoy...

But there's no place for me to get them...:-(

46 posted on 09/23/2007 12:00:22 PM PDT by Allegra (The Surge Works While the Democrats "Betray Us.")
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To: elfman2

Paul is a traitor and a mental case. Instead of running for POTUS he should be seeking therapy


47 posted on 09/23/2007 12:15:15 PM PDT by italianquaker (Is there anything Ron Paul doesn't blame the USA for?)
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To: Captain Kirk
Well, those your words and worries, not mine. I’m more concerned about his supporters who are neo-Nazis, Truthers, anti-Semites, and other morally bankrupt souls. You can worry about Masons and whatever claptrap you’re prattling on about.
48 posted on 09/23/2007 12:21:10 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (RUN Paul - a man proudly putting al Qaeda's interest ahead of America's.)
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To: Allegra

Score is too close on which game?


49 posted on 09/23/2007 12:23:36 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (http://www.vetsforfreedom.org/)
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To: Captain Kirk

He’ll be stopped. He’s a
“1 - 3%” candidate, but a real good joke for us here.


50 posted on 09/23/2007 12:24:43 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (RUN Paul - a man proudly putting al Qaeda's interest ahead of America's.)
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