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A Rather Controversial Ending (Dan Rather blaming the conspiratorial Right?)
Newsweek via MSNBC ^ | September 21, 2007 | By Johnnie L. Roberts

Posted on 09/23/2007 2:05:50 PM PDT by LouAvul

Edited on 09/23/2007 5:26:43 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

Dan Rather’s $70 million lawsuit alleges there was more to his CBS departure than meets the eye. But former colleagues aren’t convinced.

In parts, it reads like a political thriller, with a cast of “right-wing” hit men out to force a powerful journalist to heel. Or a tale of corporate deceit, in which Machiavellian suits sacrifice their own to cozy up to the president of the United States. Or a behind-the-scenes saga of a network news division assembling a story that could help unseat an incumbent president at the polls.


(Excerpt) Read more at msnbc.msn.com ...


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KEYWORDS: cbsnews; pajamahadeen; rathergate; vrwc
Personally, I think television news is overrated. I find all the news I need on FR.
1 posted on 09/23/2007 2:05:51 PM PDT by LouAvul
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To: LouAvul

Rule #1-Don’t use fake documents as a source for news.


2 posted on 09/23/2007 2:07:24 PM PDT by SShultz460
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To: LouAvul

...and given enough time, I believe Dan can come up with a docuemt to prove it. It won’t be real, but it will prove what he says is true. /s


3 posted on 09/23/2007 2:07:27 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Hillary has pay fever. There she goes now... "Ha Hsu, ha hsu, haaaa hsu, ha hsu...")
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To: LouAvul

“Don’t fact check me, bro.” -Dan Rather

(Courage)


4 posted on 09/23/2007 2:13:01 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler ("A person's a person no matter how small." -Dr. Seuss)
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To: LouAvul

I put this on another post today:

Dan Rather is mentioned several times in B.G. Burkett and Glenna Whitley’s “STOLEN VALOR—How the Vietnam Generation was Robbed of its Heroes and History.” Rather helped shape the popular image of the Vietnam veteran as psychotic misfit. He did a “documentary” in 1987, “The Wall Within,” which was later factually discredited. I don’t doubt that Michael Moore as a youth was inspired by 60 Minutes, which has always been 10 percent news and 90 percent entertainment.

Anyway, I quote verbatim from page 107 of Stolen Valor:

“Rather certainly has experience with the military. During the Korean War, when men could be drafted out of college, Dan Irvin Rather joined the Army Reserves while attending Sam Houston University in Huntsville, Texas, thus avoiding the possibility of being drafted. On graduating in 1954, well after the Korean War was over and the killing had ended, Rather quit the reserves and enlisted in the Marine Corps. (This is the same national broadcaster, who night after night during the 1988 presidential campaign, hammered Republican vice presidential candidate Dan Quayle for avoiding Vietnam by joining the National Guard.) Although the press often refers to Rather as an ‘ex-Marine,’ he did not finish Marine recruit training. He joined the Marines on January 22, 1954, but was discharged less than four months later, on May 11, for being medically unfit. (As a boy, Rather had suffered from rheumatic fever.)”

There has never been anything wrong with serving in the reserves—an essential part of the military and the oldest. What has been dishonorable is the way Rather, the news media and later, John Kerry, denigrated reserve service for political effect. By doing this during the 2004 election they insulted thousands of reservists who were serving in Iraq.

Kerry got a six-month early discharge from the Navy. When you add up Kerry’s active duty time and compare it to Bush’s active duty time—OCS, flight training, summer activation—Kerry didn’t do much more time than Bush.


5 posted on 09/23/2007 2:15:24 PM PDT by Brad from Tennessee ("A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.")
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To: LouAvul

Whacko. Bring popcorn.


6 posted on 09/23/2007 2:17:44 PM PDT by hsalaw
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To: LouAvul
Rather, 75, alleges that CBS and his former bosses “coerced” him into apologizing for a controversial story in which his role was little more than that of a narrator.

Pretty sums up his entire, worthless career ...

Courage ..

7 posted on 09/23/2007 2:18:27 PM PDT by tx_eggman (ManBearPig '08)
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To: LouAvul

As bizarre as the lawsuit is, CBS will settle big-time for (my guess) $20 million.

Why?

The last thing on earth the democrat party and CBS wants is for the discovery process of this litigation to open up to the light of day how CBS creates the news. All just around the time of the 2008 presidential election. $20 million is a bargain to shut Rather up.


8 posted on 09/23/2007 2:19:49 PM PDT by FormerACLUmember (The ideal tyranny is that which is ignorantly self-administered by its victims.)
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To: LouAvul
a network news division assembling a story lie that could help unseat an incumbent president at the polls.

Whole ball of wax.

9 posted on 09/23/2007 2:21:55 PM PDT by maine-iac7 ("...but you can't fool all of the people all of the time" LINCOLN)
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To: SShultz460
Rule #1-Don’t use fake documents as a source for news.

I've said this a thousand times, and I'll say it again:

The ONLY asset that a news organization has is its credibility ... once credibility is lost, it has NO assets anymore.

10 posted on 09/23/2007 2:26:08 PM PDT by Mr_Moonlight (Sept 11 2001 ...... NEVER forget !)
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To: FormerACLUmember

>>>Dan Rather continues to stand by the story, and in subsequent interviews has articulated that he believes that the documents have never conclusively been proven to be forgeries — and that even if the documents are false, that the underlying story is true.<<<

Remember these lines? The truth as I want it to be. Deep down inside, these guys wanted to burn Bush badly. And they let that hate be their own undoing.

Or the emails from journalist Michael Smith to Mary Mapes:

“What if there was a person who might have some information that could possibly change the momentum of an election but we needed to get an ASAP book deal to help get us the information?” Mapes replied, “that looks good, hypothetically speaking of course.”

So nice to see they’re interested in just the facts, ma’am.


11 posted on 09/23/2007 2:30:26 PM PDT by CheyennePress
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To: FormerACLUmember

Still, cbs will have to answer w/i 30 days ( is this state or federal court?). It will be fun to read what its position is. My guess is that, to show good cause for its actions, cbs will have to say the story was “flawed”.


12 posted on 09/23/2007 2:31:23 PM PDT by uscabjd ( a)
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Anybody else remember the "theory" floated by some dem operatives that it was actually Karl Rove who created the false documents, and "planted them."

Delusional!

Mark

13 posted on 09/23/2007 2:36:14 PM PDT by MarkL (Listen, Strange women lyin' in ponds distributin' swords is no basis for a system of government)
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To: uscabjd; CheyennePress
The Dan Rather/George Costanza Theory of Truth: "It isn't a lie, if you make yourself BELIEVE its true!"


14 posted on 09/23/2007 2:36:16 PM PDT by FormerACLUmember (The ideal tyranny is that which is ignorantly self-administered by its victims.)
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To: Mr_Moonlight
As I remember the state of the election cycle when the “news” broke, Bush was surging in the polls, Kerry was sagging over his BS heroism in ‘nam. Something had to be done.

It is my belief that Rather/Mape’s efforts were not mistakes but actually nothing more than a pure fabricated effort to take out a sitting President. In the 1970’s they would have gotten away with it. It is chilling that a news organization, respected by too many, would use their reputation to decide that the President needed to be taken out, and would do what it took to achieve their goal.

15 posted on 09/23/2007 2:38:42 PM PDT by Jacquerie (All Muslims are suspect.)
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To: LouAvul

16 posted on 09/23/2007 2:38:50 PM PDT by Shots
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To: LouAvul

Dan Rather had been sitting in the “ejection seat” for years with his left-wing bias. Maybe once he gets over his bitterness he and Larry King can market a line of “designer suspenders” or perhaps “bobble head liberals.” The Great Oz Has Spoken.


17 posted on 09/23/2007 2:46:48 PM PDT by WyCoKsRepublican
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To: FormerACLUmember

>open up to the light of day how CBS creates the news.

all the news thats fit to forge...


18 posted on 09/23/2007 2:47:05 PM PDT by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: LouAvul
Rather must think that Mary Mapes is a closet conservative.
19 posted on 09/23/2007 3:01:30 PM PDT by vetsvette (Bring Him Back)
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To: LouAvul

Bad Buckhead Bad! :)


20 posted on 09/23/2007 3:06:37 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Democrat Happens!)
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To: Jacquerie
In the 1970’s they would have gotten away with it. It is chilling that a news organization, respected by too many, would use their reputation to decide that the President needed to be taken out, and would do what it took to achieve their goal.

It has already been done. Richard Nixon's resignation was, in my opinion, a Drive-By Media coup d'etat.

21 posted on 09/23/2007 3:07:07 PM PDT by abb (The Dinosaur Media: A One-Way Medium in a Two-Way World)
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To: Jeff Chandler

BWHAAAHAH well the way his employers treated this TRUTH SEEKER was abominable ....wait that snowman story was next up in the dan the man expose line up....hell they had the snowman’s war record and every thing....and then THIS happened.....a promising newshound;s career sadly and suddenly cut short.....sacrificed on the alter of homage to the vast right wing conspiriati....
well i knew it would come to this once the sacred FAIRNESS doctrine was deep sixed by the likes of that nazi ronald reagan.....

bwahahaaahaahah

lett my peeepo go


22 posted on 09/23/2007 3:07:59 PM PDT by flat
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To: LouAvul
Rather did not "drop a bombshell" by filing his case. More accurately, he "laid a loaf." It is not the "right wing" that brought down Rather. It was the "truth."

Of course, this does say a lot about the bent of Rather and of CBS which kept him on premises way beyond his sell-by date. Rather sees "truth" as being "right wing." That's a back-handed acknowledgment that the "left wing" is based on dishonesty.

Congressman Billybob

Latest article, "Dan Rather, CBS, Plus Duke"

23 posted on 09/23/2007 3:08:00 PM PDT by Congressman Billybob (2008 IS HERE, NOW. www.ArmorforCongress.com)
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To: CheyennePress
>>>Dan Rather continues to stand by the story, and in subsequent interviews has articulated that he believes that the documents have never conclusively been proven to be forgeries — and that even if the documents are false, that the underlying story is true.<<<

Question: when running a news story isn't the burden on the reporter to make sure that source material is accurate and unimpeachable, rather than not demonstrably false?
24 posted on 09/23/2007 3:19:18 PM PDT by tanknetter
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To: Brad from Tennessee
Kerry got a six-month early discharge from the Navy. When you add up Kerry’s active duty time and compare it to Bush’s active duty time—OCS, flight training, summer activation—Kerry didn’t do much more time than Bush.

I was under the impression that Bush actually had more active duty time.

25 posted on 09/23/2007 3:19:48 PM PDT by ErnBatavia (...forward this to your 10 very best friends....)
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To: maine-iac7

You don’t finish bootcamp, you aint a Marine, bub!


26 posted on 09/23/2007 3:23:14 PM PDT by CT
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To: LouAvul

Dan is simply bat Sh*t nuts!!!! Fake but fake still won’t cut it you blathering idiot.


27 posted on 09/23/2007 3:42:25 PM PDT by shankbear (Al-Qaeda grew while Monica blew)
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To: CT
You don’t finish bootcamp, you aint a Marine, bub!

Wasn't Rather washed out of the Corps for bedwetting? IIRC there have been stories to that effect.

And by Rather's own standards the burden to prove them false ...
28 posted on 09/23/2007 3:43:08 PM PDT by tanknetter
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To: LouAvul

As Samantha Sang says in the song “cry me a river” Dan.


29 posted on 09/23/2007 4:16:56 PM PDT by crazydad
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To: FormerACLUmember
The last thing on earth the democrat party and CBS wants is for the discovery process of this litigation to open up to the light of day how CBS creates the news. All just around the time of the 2008 presidential election. $20 million is a bargain to shut Rather up.

Or how deeply connected they are with the DNC

30 posted on 09/23/2007 5:02:24 PM PDT by Archon of the East ("universal executive power of the law of nature")
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To: LouAvul

I wonder if Dan Rather plans to ask Bernie Goldberg how it feels to get screwed by CBS.

Seriously, this is an asinine act on the part of Dan Rather. Dan Rather does not need the money. CBS will never admit wrongdoing, even if they did something wrong. They have attorneys and public relations departments to make themselves look blameless. The best he could hope for is a settlement and an agreement to keep silent on the issue, something CBS was doing, anyway.

That’s assuming that CBS decides to settle. They may not want to settle. They may prefer to drag Dan Rather through the mud for a while. They employed him for over forty years. I’m sure they know a few things about Dan Rather that would make him look worse. They could well make him look stupid for a while, then offer a settlement as if to say, “Had enough yet?” That might make Mark Cuban reconsider Dan Rather’s continued employment.

The possibility of countersuit is unlikely, but then again, CBS News’ reputation in in the toilet and it will take years to resurrect it. It’s easy to blame the whole thing on Dan Rather. Bernie Goldberg’s book, Bias, blamed much of the left wing bias at CBS directly on Dan Rather. Published accounts of malfeasance go a long way with juries.

Dan Rather’s contract no doubt had some flowery prose about due diligence and highest ethics of journalism in it. It’s easy to argue that he violated such terms, and his actions damaged the reputation of CBS News. Although we at Free Republic have noted the bias at CBS for years, the National Guard memos made the bias undeniable to the whole nation. CBS News is still reeling.

And if Dan Rather thinks he will somehow invoke feelings of loyalty at CBS News, or maybe intimidation, he should remember that when he got them in trouble, they threw him under the bus.

Get the popcorn. We’re going to need a lot of it.


31 posted on 09/23/2007 5:12:20 PM PDT by sig226 (New additions to the list of democrat criminals - see my profile)
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To: sig226

Good analysis.


32 posted on 09/23/2007 5:32:21 PM PDT by I still care ("Remember... for it is the doom of men that they forget" - Merlin, from Excalibur)
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To: Archon of the East
Or how deeply connected they are with the DNC

Indeed, let's get ALL the facts about Mapes eagerness to "affect the momentum of the election", the the curious sharing of information with the Kerry campaign, down to timing a Kerry advertising campaign named "Fortunate Son" to correspond with the SeeBS story.
33 posted on 09/23/2007 5:58:57 PM PDT by JayNorth
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To: Archon of the East
The last thing on earth the democrat party and CBS wants is for the discovery process of this litigation to open up to the light of day how CBS creates the news. All just around the time of the 2008 presidential election. $20 million is a bargain to shut Rather up. Or how deeply connected they are with the DNC.

It kills me that the lamestream media hires vast numbers of paid democrat party propagandists and third rate shills. Then it pretends to be objective. Think Stephanopoulos, Moyer, Matthews, Russert ad nauseum.

Earlier today Russert was tossing softballs to scam artist Hillary. I wanted to hurl.

34 posted on 09/23/2007 6:03:52 PM PDT by FormerACLUmember (The ideal tyranny is that which is ignorantly self-administered by its victims.)
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To: JayNorth
Indeed, let's get ALL the facts about Mapes eagerness to "affect the momentum of the election", the the curious sharing of information with the Kerry campaign, down to timing a Kerry advertising campaign named "Fortunate Son" to correspond with the SeeBS story.

Never gonna happen. Rather is crazy like a fox. He knows CBS will pay up big time rather than have this exposed in the discovery process.

35 posted on 09/23/2007 6:05:45 PM PDT by FormerACLUmember (The ideal tyranny is that which is ignorantly self-administered by its victims.)
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To: FormerACLUmember

I honestly believe it goes deeper than that. There is no way after decades of obvious single-mindedness between democrats and the media one could believe in anything other than a employer-employee relationship at the highest levels leading the way to the hiring of fake but real journalists.


36 posted on 09/23/2007 6:09:34 PM PDT by Archon of the East ("universal executive power of the law of nature")
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To: Archon of the East
I honestly believe it goes deeper than that. There is no way after decades of obvious single-mindedness between democrats and the media one could believe in anything other than a employer-employee relationship at the highest levels leading the way to the hiring of fake but real journalists

Interesting. You hypothesize direct money payments to media executives from the democrat party or its sham front groups to fake the news, as I read you.

You just raised a brilliant point. The democrats are all about bribes and money payoffs. Why not simply extrapolate from what we already know........

37 posted on 09/23/2007 6:27:07 PM PDT by FormerACLUmember (The ideal tyranny is that which is ignorantly self-administered by its victims.)
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To: tanknetter
Question: when running a news story isn't the burden on the reporter to make sure that source material is accurate and unimpeachable, rather than not demonstrably false?

You, sir, are absolutely correct.

Had this hit piece been directed towards any other citizen other than the President, CBS/Rather et al could have been sued for liable and slander, and would have lost big time $$$$. It is only because the presidential seat carries with it a, shall we say, "responsibility" that it must endure being relentlessly attacked, rather [no pun intended] than being the attacker, that such a lawsuit never happened.

38 posted on 09/23/2007 6:34:29 PM PDT by Mr_Moonlight (Sept 11 2001 ...... NEVER forget !)
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To: ErnBatavia
I’m sure you’re right. I know after Kerry returned from his four-month tour, one month of which was spent training at Cam Rahn, he was assigned to some admiral’s office where he had a lot of free time to get involved in the anti-war movement.

As a Vietnam veteran, it was painful for me to see this whole issue brought up. But, when Kerry rendered that Vaudevillian salute at the convention and said,”. . .Reporting for duty!” preceded by staged “combat” film clips, he left himself wide open.

39 posted on 09/23/2007 8:44:51 PM PDT by Brad from Tennessee ("A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.")
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To: Archon of the East; FormerACLUmember
Rather’s producer Mary Mapes was in contact with the Kerry campaign:

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/president/articles/2004/09/22/lockhart_contacted_memo_scandal_figure/

40 posted on 09/23/2007 8:49:49 PM PDT by Brad from Tennessee ("A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.")
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To: FormerACLUmember
Sort of, what i believe is that the DNC and the media, at least what we call the msm, are in fact one and the same. There is absolutely no critical analysis of any Democrat or DNC issue, no serious stories or investigations of Dem's, absolutely no chance a "Watergate" would be pursued by ABC, NBC, CBS, WaPO, NYT, LaT,MSNBC, CNN. On the flip side we have Tim Russert with his "it was like Christmas" comment about the Scooter Libby indictment and a never ending pursuit of Watergate like stories among Republicans. This speaks volumes about the "real" Truth.

It doesnt pass the sniff test!

41 posted on 09/23/2007 9:26:04 PM PDT by Archon of the East ("universal executive power of the law of nature")
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To: Brad from Tennessee
LOl, I know. Didn't even try to hide it. Like it was just part of the job to contact the friendlies. But it makes my point, not a single serious story or investigation or damaging word in the msm. Yes I know there was some pretend outrage, that was fake but real also.
42 posted on 09/23/2007 9:31:55 PM PDT by Archon of the East ("universal executive power of the law of nature")
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To: Brad from Tennessee

Great post.
BTW, you are not a Marine until you COMPLETE recruit training.
Rather was NEVER a Marine.


43 posted on 09/23/2007 9:33:28 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: abb

Yes, the media wanted to take out RN. But, the Watergate burglary was at least a fact.

Conversely, the Texas ANG letter was pure fabrication. I wonder what the nation’s reaction would have been had the TANG letter been widely accepted, his poll numbers then tanked, he loses, Kerry wins and then a few months into 2005 it comes out that the letter was fantasy of CBS News.

Our country was fortunate that CBS was so incompetent in their pathological need to destroy Republicans.


44 posted on 09/24/2007 2:18:24 PM PDT by Jacquerie (The New Republic - Every bit as reputable as CBS News.)
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To: LouAvul

Dan, you’d have been much better off if you had just retired quietly. As long as this lawsuit continues, people will be reminded every day what a loon you really are.


45 posted on 09/24/2007 2:24:44 PM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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