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Parallel Universes Exist - Study
BreitBart/Press Association ^ | Sep 23, 2007

Posted on 09/24/2007 4:10:41 PM PDT by anymouse

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101 posted on 09/24/2007 6:04:32 PM PDT by maine-iac7 ("...but you can't fool all of the people all of the time" LINCOLN)
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To: Diplomat
I think God could have programmed the universe in 12 dimensions. I wasn’t kidding on my initial comment.

Can you expound on this, what the 12 dimensions are? Briefly, of course ... I'm genuinely interested.

I am looking for the next big real Theory to be the “Theory of Gravity”. I.e. a real explanation of as the Force we all know it needs to be. Look for it to have a teeny tiny mass component (of course) (sub-atomic) and a speed which EXCEEDS that of light by 2 to 3 times.

A "Grand Unified" theory which brings Gravitation and the Quantum world into consensus with each other? Of course, Quantum theory would exceed the speed of light by an instantaneous amount (if I understand it correctly), while Gravity would be slow but very powerful over long distances. "Distances" being a moot point regarding Quantum speeds ....

I am not a scientist nor physicist, but just a layman who finds this stuff fascinating ....

102 posted on 09/24/2007 6:05:44 PM PDT by Mr_Moonlight
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To: anymouse

This understates parallel universes. To start with, Einstein pointed out that true parallel universes would have to be equivalent to this one. That is, not separated by time, but in coexistence, just with different energy, some of which transcends more than one, like say gravity, but most of which is limited to just their home universe.

But if “dark matter” is really parallel universes, it implies there are only a limited number of them, perhaps a dozen.

This is different from “possible” and “alternate” universes, *or parts thereof*, which are neither permanent or complete.

It is based on a membrane model of the universe, which can be imagined as if our universe was filled with bubbles, and within each are different energy and different rules. Every bit of “matter” is a form of energy made solid and equal to other solids by its surrounding membrane.

In “your” membrane, if you flip a coin, you get heads, and the heads outcome is the “official” outcome. However, the “possible” tails outcome is just as real, as a possibility. So the two outcomes remain real, until you put the coin back in your pocket, when they re-converge. Neither outcome had any real impact beyond that.

However, later in the day you make an “alternative” decision, in this case, you decide if you want to become a US Marine or a ballet dancer. An alternative possibility has outcomes that permanently diverge. Both are just as real, and stay that way. This is like the “endlessly diverging universes” idea, except the entire universe is not involved, just a piece of it.

Yet membranes can permit multiple realities in the same universe. After all, it’s just energy.


103 posted on 09/24/2007 6:09:40 PM PDT by Popocatapetl
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To: All

“parallel universe”
A phrase used by people who do not know the definition of “parallel” or the defintion of “universe”.


104 posted on 09/24/2007 6:15:05 PM PDT by Jonah Johansen ("Coming soon to a neighborhood near you")
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To: anymouse
A motorist who has a near miss, for instance, might feel relieved at his lucky escape. But in a parallel universe, another version of the same driver will have been killed. Yet another universe will see the motorist recover after treatment in hospital. The number of alternative scenarios is endless.

You know... I thought I was reading this. Then, like a dream I realized I wasn't. I only thought that I was reading it. Just like you think you are reading these words right now... But, you're not. It's your imagination.

Now, for something completely different.

105 posted on 09/24/2007 6:15:35 PM PDT by Barnacle (Hunter 2008)
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To: maine-iac7
We just don't listen to good

Or, maybe we DO ;)

106 posted on 09/24/2007 6:17:23 PM PDT by Mr_Moonlight
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To: anymouse
But in a parallel universe, another version of the same driver will have been killed

Just reinforces my mother's insistance that I wear clean underwear every day.........

107 posted on 09/24/2007 6:23:20 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (I could be Agent "HT")
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To: Brilliant

If this is true, then why do I always have the unlucky circumstance of ending up in the screwed up universe?


If you think this one is bad you DO NOT want to see the other one! In fact your double in the other universe has been trying to hire me to whack you so he can assume your life here.

Unfortunately for him (or fortunately for you) the primary currency in his universe is Tofu.


108 posted on 09/24/2007 6:24:20 PM PDT by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: RightWhale
There is a thread exactly like this in a parallel universe.

Except it's appearing on Democratic Underground!

Meanwhile everyone on Free Republic is wearing leather vests without sleeves and drinking on the bridge and carrying knives and destroying some helpless planet.

109 posted on 09/24/2007 6:26:28 PM PDT by Tribune7 (Michael Moore bought Haliburton)
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To: anymouse

Good to know that as a person with terminal fatigue and insomnia in THIS universe, in a parallel universe my double falls asleep easily each night and wakes up refreshed every morning. Good for her! < :P


110 posted on 09/24/2007 6:27:27 PM PDT by my_pointy_head_is_sharp (Deport 'em all.)
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To: anymouse

Oh, I get it.

It’s not so much that more than one universe exists, but rather that each of us experiences (so to speak) our own little trip through the one verse.

It’s still really one universe with zillions and zillions of of other things going on in it that we don’t know about.

Kinda like a multiplex theatre.


111 posted on 09/24/2007 6:27:33 PM PDT by Age of Reason
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To: GregoTX
If I have to be evil in a parallel universe I don’t want to have a goatee. If I have to be evil in a parallel universe I want a Mohawk!
112 posted on 09/24/2007 6:27:47 PM PDT by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: anymouse

parallel universe - isn’t it lovely?


113 posted on 09/24/2007 6:28:09 PM PDT by exinnj
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To: anymouse
comments?

You mean somewhere out there, Gore became president after all?

114 posted on 09/24/2007 6:29:51 PM PDT by Age of Reason
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To: anymouse

This is a pretty thin gruel to base such a broad claim on.

To paraphase Yoda: “Theoretical possibilities do not a reality (or multiple realities) prove.”

Eventally, the cat in the closed box will prove himself to be dead whether or not you take a measurement.

Generally, the least complicated explanation is most likely the correct one. An infinite number of multiple parallel universes is not a simple explanation.

But what do I know? I’m a history major...in this universe, that is... perhaps I’m channeling...


115 posted on 09/24/2007 6:37:43 PM PDT by Captain Rhino ( Peace based on respected strength is truly peace; peace based on weakness is ignoble slavery)
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To: anymouse

It’s pretty big Hubris to think that atoms (or smaller particles) aren’t really solid (in reality) untill they have observed them! And how would they ever know to test this- as soon as the particles were “observed” according to the mathmaticians they would stop being in flux as soon as they “observed” it!


116 posted on 09/24/2007 6:53:09 PM PDT by JSDude1 (When a liberal represents the Presidential Nominee for the Republicans; THEY'RE TOAST)
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To: Mr_Moonlight
This is very exiting.

In a parallel universe it might even be considered exciting, as well as hugh and series ......


My spelling is Wobbly. It's good spelling but it Wobbles, and the letters get in the wrong places.
117 posted on 09/24/2007 7:09:51 PM PDT by papasmurf (I'm for Free, Fair, and Open trade. America needs to stand by it's true Friend. Israel.)
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To: anymouse
We have seen this? Even if the monstrous math problem is solved does not make it so! Science is observable, reproducible, and demonstratable.

I hope they are correct though.

118 posted on 09/24/2007 7:15:17 PM PDT by BillT
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To: papasmurf

Not to worry ... just making a joke, thats all :) .. I too myself do many errors of grammer and speeling also once in a while and sometimese even redundant duplications of phrases and words, as well as repeating myslelf often within the same post all the time .... /grin :)


119 posted on 09/24/2007 7:22:26 PM PDT by Mr_Moonlight
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To: Mr_Moonlight

I I thought sew. :)


120 posted on 09/24/2007 7:24:57 PM PDT by papasmurf (I'm for Free, Fair, and Open trade. America needs to stand by it's true Friend. Israel.)
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To: anymouse

“As I said O’Neill, ours is the only reality of consequence.” ~ Teal’c, SG-1


121 posted on 09/25/2007 7:05:45 AM PDT by mikrofon (Indeed)
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To: anymouse
Given a number of possible alternative outcomes, each one is played out - in its own universe.

It's impossible to know whether other fully independent universes exist. If their existence is caused by an event in our universe, then this new "universe" would be connected to our "universe" by this event. In truth, both "universes" would belong to the same universe.

122 posted on 09/25/2007 7:10:00 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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To: RightWhale
Yes but isn't there a piece of space-time fabric toilet paper for to stop the temporal bleeding?


123 posted on 09/25/2007 7:18:54 AM PDT by montyspython (Love that chicken from Popeye's)
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To: RightWhale

Except there, all of our computers spontaneously explode when we click the link and we all die. Glad I’m here.


124 posted on 09/25/2007 7:24:38 AM PDT by DanielLongo (Don't Tread On Me)
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To: RightWhale
There is a thread exactly like this in a parallel universe.

But I didn't read this thread in that parallel universe.

And in another parallel universe, I didn't type this.

And in another parallel universe, I didn't keep going.

And in yet another parallel universe.....

125 posted on 09/25/2007 7:31:47 AM PDT by Dr._Joseph_Warren
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To: PetroniusMaximus
“Commenting in New Scientist magazine, Dr Andy Albrecht, a physicist at the University of California at Davis, said: “This work will go down as one of the most important developments in the history of science.””

And in another universe it won’t.

I was thinking the same thing. (in this universe, at least.) Did Hugh Everett, here in this universe, come to the right answer by good scientific and logical reasoning and in another universe, where he came to the conclusion that it was false, did he do that by valid, logical reasoning, too? How in the world, excuse me, is there any way to tell which answer is better than any other when Everett himself, according to his own theory, would be bound to come up with both answers an infinite number of times?

The 'multiverse' notion is an attempt to explain away the vastly improbable fine-tuning of the universe, but you'd think that it might occur to its proponents at some point that any argument that necessarily entails disregard for the laws of logic or reasoning is patently foolish.

Cordially,

126 posted on 09/25/2007 8:16:44 AM PDT by Diamond
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To: Brilliant

I think there’s some cosmic confusion & we’re being punished for things the “other us” did.


127 posted on 09/25/2007 8:21:26 AM PDT by Sue Perkick (And I hope that what Iíve done here today doesnít force you to have a negative opinion of meÖ.)
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To: SaxxonWoods
Any word on “parallel universe travel”?


128 posted on 09/25/2007 8:51:13 AM PDT by radioman
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To: Diamond

“The ‘multiverse’ notion is an attempt to explain away the vastly improbable fine-tuning of the universe,”

Exactly! No other way to account for the numbers.

And it’s explicitly metaphysical - the “no-fly” area of science (unless it suits their purposes).


129 posted on 09/25/2007 10:43:51 AM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: anymouse

These guys are a little late. Another Oxford mathematician, Charles Dodgson, wrote about parallel universes back in 1872. His descripton of one was made famous in the work entitled: “Through the Looking Glass.”


130 posted on 09/25/2007 11:08:04 AM PDT by nanetteclaret (Our Lady's Hat Society)
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To: anymouse

So? In some other “universe” Hillary is nice?


131 posted on 09/25/2007 11:10:02 AM PDT by isthisnickcool (Tagline:(Optional, printed after your name on post0:)
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To: anymouse

So? In some other “universe” Hillary is nice?


132 posted on 09/25/2007 11:10:06 AM PDT by isthisnickcool (Tagline:(Optional, printed after your name on post0:)
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To: anymouse

Another theory based on a flawed assumption.

Guess it beats working with that tricky dark matter stuff.


133 posted on 09/25/2007 11:11:09 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: anymouse
Great! That means that the Philadelphia Eagles are Super Bowl Champs in 2 other universes.

I wonder if Al Bore is President somewhere?

134 posted on 09/25/2007 11:19:49 AM PDT by moonman
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It’s heady, no doubt. With an infinite number of universes, an infinite number of you, and an infinite number of possibilities. Whew. That opens the door to the infinite number of possibilities for you to also be an infinite number of someone else (depending upon the infinite choices made in other infinite numbers of universes). I once heard someone posit that this concept applies across the board (past-present-future). It’s all simultaneous and still. The only thing that gives the illusion of movement and linear time is our perception. IN reality we are everyone, everywhere in all time. We just happen to be perceiving this particular manifestation.
135 posted on 09/25/2007 11:54:09 AM PDT by isrul
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To: isrul
This all reminds me of the Futurama episode entitled "The Farnsworth Paradox." In that episode they deal with Universe A (our universe) and Universe 1. All of the differences between the Universes are the result of coin flips. Additionally, each Universe exists in a box that exists in the other Universe.

I bet this scientist saw that Futurama episode before coming up with this theory.

136 posted on 09/25/2007 6:09:34 PM PDT by Repeal 16-17 (Let me know when the Shooting starts.)
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To: anymouse
Grasssmokas in Davis in desperate need of reality.
137 posted on 09/25/2007 6:16:18 PM PDT by afnamvet (Duncan Hunter in '08)
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To: anymouse

Ol Obi-Wan is making more sense all the time—” You will find that many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our own point of view.”

I find the concept of parallel universes very logical. It would explain many para-normal things.


138 posted on 09/25/2007 6:20:39 PM PDT by ClearBlueSky (Whenever someone says it's not about Islam-it's about Islam. Jesus loves you, Allah wants you dead!)
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To: ClearBlueSky
I find the concept of parallel universes very logical.

But in another universe you don't.

Cordially,

139 posted on 09/26/2007 10:15:32 AM PDT by Diamond
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To: Repeal 16-17
"I bet this scientist saw that Futurama episode before coming up with this theory."

If the theory is correct he certainly did, in some universe:)

140 posted on 09/26/2007 10:53:14 AM PDT by isrul
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To: Diamond

LOL- and in that parallel universe my failure to imagine such things are logical will be....logical, by the rules of parallel universes!

So how much does believing- or not- really matter in such things?
Somewhere there are alien intelligences who are absolutely sure that we do not exist- yet, here we are!


141 posted on 09/26/2007 1:12:27 PM PDT by ClearBlueSky (Whenever someone says it's not about Islam-it's about Islam. Jesus loves you, Allah wants you dead!)
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To: anymouse
A motorist who has a near miss, for instance, might feel relieved at his lucky escape. But in a parallel universe, another version of the same driver will have been killed. Yet another universe will see the motorist recover after treatment in hospital. The number of alternative scenarios is endless.

And in one universe he gets lucky with the nurse and in another, the hospital food is great, and...

What a load of horsecrap. I hope they don't spend government money to come up with crackpot theories like this.

142 posted on 09/26/2007 1:16:09 PM PDT by BearCub
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To: anymouse
There is parallel universe exactly like this thread - but different. ;)There is parallel universe exactly like this thread - but different. ;)

Where's the universe where I'm taggin' Nicole Kidman, Sandra Bullock and that blonde 19 year old on Dancing With The Stars at the same time? That's the universe I want. But noooooooooo, my parallel self is doing that. He always gets the fun sh!t.

143 posted on 09/26/2007 1:18:50 PM PDT by BearCub
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To: anymouse

Too bad some scientists have lost contact with reality and are now living inside of mathematical equations.
Sorry, but your doctorate degrees did not prevent you from seeing the obvious: there is ONE universe, and you are not in it.


144 posted on 09/26/2007 1:21:36 PM PDT by Leftism is Mentally Deranged
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To: Leftism is Mentally Deranged

PHD’s don’t cure stupidity.


145 posted on 09/26/2007 1:37:48 PM PDT by Leftism is Mentally Deranged
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To: anymouse

We have to introduce these english wizards to P.T.Barnum : “My boy, there’s a SUCKER born every minute”. These types of hucksters are quickly dealt with at the high stakes poker tables in Vegas. They are usually called FOUR FLUSHERS, always trying some new kind of con. I believe they even have classes for dealers, operators on all the different scams that have been tried before, the criminal mind becomes very ingenious when a bundle of CASH is the objective. This PARALLEL UNIVERSES nonsense is but another scam.

This scam was started by Einstein, Rosen, Podalski(p?)many moons ago, known as the EPR paradox. Same old nonsense, deliberately confusing probabilities with actualities. It’s that old story of the Emperor’s New Clothes : a whole bunch of suckers and country bumpkins believe it : the Emperor’s cloths are so FINE as to be invisible...until someone in the crowd sees some IDIOT riding his horse in a parade, BUCK NAKED...and starts LAUGHING...

Clothed in your PARALLEL UNIVERSE apparel, struting down the street, do you want to be laughed at too?


146 posted on 09/30/2007 3:21:27 PM PDT by timer (n/0=n=nx0)
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To: Redcloak

Not really...the Many Worlds alternative to Copenhagen doesnt allow for universes where EVERYTHING happens...only universes where everything POSSIBLE happens; i.e. there are no universes where someone is standing one mile north of the North Pole or where cubes have round corners or other LOGICAL impossibilities.

I submit for your consideration that Helen Thomas being considered a hottie while linguistically expressible is a logical impossibility in any possible universe...

...or ought to be, and is in any I’d want to visit ;-).


147 posted on 09/30/2007 4:06:21 PM PDT by FYREDEUS (FYREDEUS)
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To: Jonah Johansen

Good point which even the writer should have thought of since he described a branching structure; parallel lines dont branch [relative to one another anyway] and if they do branch they arent parallel...why I would prefer the terms alternate or divergent universes.


148 posted on 09/30/2007 4:23:43 PM PDT by FYREDEUS (FYREDEUS)
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To: ClearBlueSky

It could “explain” many ‘paranormal’ things...but that isn’t the same as proving them...still it makes for interesting questions eh?...


149 posted on 09/30/2007 4:26:00 PM PDT by FYREDEUS (FYREDEUS)
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To: anymouse

So how do we explain this feckless UnAmerican congress and its make believe lap dog GOP ers? You mean we got stuck with the wrong ones, and the right ones are in a parallel universe? People! we are in the bizzaro world, sign me up for the next ticket out!


150 posted on 09/30/2007 4:33:25 PM PDT by ronnie raygun (Id rather be hunting with dick than driving with ted)
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