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U.S. Snipers Accused of 'Baiting' Iraqis
Yahoo News / AP ^ | 09/24/2007 | EagleUSA

Posted on 09/24/2007 7:52:42 PM PDT by EagleUSA

WASHINGTON - Army snipers hunting insurgents in Iraq were under orders to "bait" their targets with suspicious materials, such as detonation cords, and then kill whoever picked up the items, according to the defense attorney for a soldier accused of planting evidence on an Iraqi he killed. Gary Myers, an attorney for Sgt. Evan Vela, said Monday his client had acted "pursuant to orders."

"We believe that our client has done nothing more than he was instructed to do by superiors," Myers said in a telephone interview.

Myers and Vela's father, Curtis Carnahan of Idaho Falls, Idaho, said in separate interviews that sworn statements and testimony in the cases of two other accused Ranger snipers indicate that the Army has a classified program that encourages snipers to "bait" potential targets and then kill whoever takes the bait.

The Army on Monday declined to confirm such a program exists.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: fight; snipers; war; win
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Well, finally. Some good tactics leak out. And the leftist media is all over how a war is fought. I wonder how these MSM cowards view the setting of IEDs that blow our boys into pieces??? A little trickery perhaps -- but the left has two standards.
1 posted on 09/24/2007 7:52:44 PM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: EagleUSA
Let's correct the headline for the MSM.

U.S. Snipers Accused of 'Baiting' Iraqis Terrorists

2 posted on 09/24/2007 7:54:54 PM PDT by mnehring (!! Warning, Quoting Ron Paul Supporters can be Hazardous to your Reputation !!)
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To: EagleUSA

Murtha ping


3 posted on 09/24/2007 7:55:38 PM PDT by RedCell (Honor thy Father (9/6/07) - Semper Fi)
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To: EagleUSA

So what?


4 posted on 09/24/2007 7:56:14 PM PDT by rusureitflies? (OSAMA BIN LADEN IS DEAD! There, I said it. Prove me wrong.)
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To: EagleUSA

As I read this, this is these sniper’s defense. They were ordered to use “bait”. I say give them a medal!


5 posted on 09/24/2007 7:56:37 PM PDT by neodad (USS Vincennes (CG-49) Freedom's Fortress)
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To: EagleUSA

They ought to issue a marksmanship bar for that. Think about it...Master Rifleman, Master Pistolman, Master Baiter...


6 posted on 09/24/2007 7:57:42 PM PDT by RichInOC (No! BAD Rich!)
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To: RedCell

Ha!!!

If fat Jack catches wind of this.........


7 posted on 09/24/2007 7:57:45 PM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo (Tracking The Flyin' Imams Since 11/20/06)
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To: EagleUSA

This is a duplicate thread.


8 posted on 09/24/2007 7:58:15 PM PDT by BuffaloJack (Before the government can give you a dollar it must first take it from another American)
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To: EagleUSA

I hope there’s more to this than just what’s described. Iraq is a dirt-poor country with high unemployment. Any random schmuck trying to feed his family might be tempted to carry off something that looks expensive and salable, ordnance or not. And I’m not sure I’d recognize det cord if I came across it and neither might some Iraqi passerby. In pictures, the stuff looks a lot like stiff rope to me. Before killing somebody just for picking it up, I’d want to be quite sure that he had bad intentions for it.


9 posted on 09/24/2007 7:59:18 PM PDT by John Jorsett (scam never sleeps)
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To: EagleUSA

Who cares what these leftists think? All they know are Starbucks, putting subway tokens in slots, and walking on green. If you told them you wanted to take them camping or hunting they’d turn white.


10 posted on 09/24/2007 7:59:41 PM PDT by Windcatcher
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To: RichInOC

LOL! Amen to that!


11 posted on 09/24/2007 8:03:30 PM PDT by Perdogg (Join the NCAA basketball thread - Freemail me)
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The thought is that in Iraq, the general knowledge of this stuff is much higher than it is here...and, the "bait" is not just lying around where anyone can find it. It is intentiaonally placed in areas where terrorists and our enemies plan and carry out their attacks against our people, and then that bait is watched closely.

I do not believe that the sniper shoots just "anyone" who walks up on it. In most cases, particularly in surveillance and recon, our guys are wired and seeking and obtaining permission from their superiors based on what they see...and in many cases what their superiors also see.

12 posted on 09/24/2007 8:06:59 PM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: John Jorsett

My thoughts, too.


13 posted on 09/24/2007 8:07:04 PM PDT by ConservativeMind
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To: EagleUSA

US snipers ‘bait’ Iraqis: report
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1901560/posts

US snipers ‘bait’ Iraqis: report (”National Institute of Military Justice” Deeply Saddened)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1901322/posts

U.S. Aims To Lure Insurgents With ‘Bait’
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1901274/posts


14 posted on 09/24/2007 8:08:12 PM PDT by PAR35
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If he is picking it up before reporting it ... sorry ... he has bad intentions.


15 posted on 09/24/2007 8:13:50 PM PDT by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: RichInOC

LOL!


16 posted on 09/24/2007 8:19:22 PM PDT by Brucifer (G. W. Bush "The dog ate my copy of the Constitution.")
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To: EagleUSA
Well, finally. Some good tactics leak out. And the leftist media is all over how a war is fought. I wonder how these MSM cowards view the setting of IEDs that blow our boys into pieces??? A little trickery perhaps -- but the left has two standards.

Isn't this the same media that baited sexual perverts in televised stings?

17 posted on 09/24/2007 8:21:08 PM PDT by umgud
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To: John Jorsett

Do you really suppose highly trained, methodical snipers are really going to waste time and ammunition and expose themselves to risk firing on some random passers by? Just like any hunter, they would be aiming for the highest value targets possible.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snipers

Snipers are volunteers accepted for sniper training on the basis of their aptitude as perceived by their commanders. ... Effective sniping in a military context may necessitate assuming a stationary position for days at a time. Fatigue and muscle stiffness often result from the mandatory immobility. Also, urination and defecation into a bag or other container may become essential. These factors alone contradict much of the glamour portrayed in popular movies.


18 posted on 09/24/2007 8:22:58 PM PDT by sgtyork (The secret of happiness is freedom, and the secret of freedom, courage. Thucydides)
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To: EagleUSA

I completely agree with the chocolate cake and ice cream as bait.

Next question.


19 posted on 09/24/2007 8:28:04 PM PDT by edcoil (Reality doesn't say much - doesn't need too)
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To: EagleUSA
U.S. Snipers Accused of 'Baiting' Iraqis

And? So? But? Therefore? What's the problem?

20 posted on 09/24/2007 8:30:40 PM PDT by hsalaw
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