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In switch, NRA eyeing role in GOP primaries (Might endorse Fred!)
The Washington Times ^ | September 25, 2007 | Joseph Curl

Posted on 09/25/2007 2:13:46 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

The National Rifle Association, which did not endorse President Bush in 2000 and 2004 until just a month before the general election, is considering stepping into the presidential campaign fray early next year during the primary season, the group's chief lobbyist says.

While the NRA waited until October in each of the past two presidential election years before endorsing a candidate, the group plans to take a more high-profile role early in the 2008 Republican nomination process.

"Historically, we have not gotten involved in primaries. We traditionally wait until after the conventions," said Chris Cox, head lobbyist for the NRA. "That being said, given the candidates and the process and the front-loading of the primaries, it is a possibility that we could get involved in one of these presidential primaries."

Republican presidential hopefuls know of the 4-million-member group's power. On Friday, they paraded before 500 lifetime NRA members at a conference in Washington, each making a pitch for why they are the best candidate to protect the rights of gun owners.

Former Tennessee Sen. Fred Thompson, who earned an "A" rating from the NRA during his time in the Senate, was the group's favorite. Meanwhile, the GOP front-runner, Rudolph W. Giuliani, left members underwhelmed.

"He's a flip-flopper," said Ed Hanson of Wisconsin, shortly after listening to the former New York City mayor's speech at the Capital Hilton. "He should say one thing and stick with it. Say what you mean and stand by it. He hasn't done that. And that's a problem — a huge problem."

Interviews with a dozen others who attended the star-studded event — all lifetime members, some wearing NRA hats, others in camouflage gear — found a consensus: Mr. Giuliani is not their man...(continued)

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...


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1 posted on 09/25/2007 2:13:52 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: Jim Robinson; Politicalmom; Sturm Ruger; ejonesie22; Stonewall Jackson; papasmurf

Ping!!


2 posted on 09/25/2007 2:28:49 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (https://www.fred08.com/contribute.aspx?RefererID=c637caaa-315c-4b4c-9967-08d864cd0791)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

No offense to his supporters here, but Rudy reminds me of a clapped out Bob Newheart. I keep waiting for the punch line.


3 posted on 09/25/2007 2:31:40 AM PDT by leadhead (Democracy can withstand anything but democrats)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I’m not saying Thompson has a bad 2nd amendment record, but if the NRA were really serious about this issue they would of course endorse Ron Paul. Somehow I have a feeling that ain’t gonna happen...

http://waronguns.blogspot.com/2006/11/fix-is-in-ron-paul-must-go.html

My confidence in NRA, of which I am a member, sank a bit after that little episode, I must say.


4 posted on 09/25/2007 2:34:08 AM PDT by Wyoming Cowboy (We should take our marching orders from the Constitution. - Ron Paul)
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To: Wyoming Cowboy

They are serious. Getting in before the primaries means they want to ensure we get a serious conservative candidate who has the best shot at defeating Hillary. And that’s why they’re not about to endorse a whacked out antiwar moonbat or a liberal gun grabber or a flip flopping RINO. The choice is obvious.

Go, FRed, Go!!


5 posted on 09/25/2007 2:42:53 AM PDT by Jim Robinson (Our God-given unalienable rights are not open to debate, negotiation or compromise!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It would be a wise move. Make an endorsement when it can really affect the debate. Giuliani and Romney both have strong anti-gun records, McCain is on both sides.


6 posted on 09/25/2007 2:48:02 AM PDT by iowamark
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To: Wyoming Cowboy
I’m not saying Thompson has a bad 2nd amendment record, but if the NRA were really serious about this issue they would of course endorse Ron Paul. Somehow I have a feeling that ain’t gonna happen...

The NRA (I'm a life member too) knows Ron Paul has no chance of ever being the nominee. There would be no point in endorsing a second-tier candidate and it would just hurt the NRA's credibility. Fred is the most conservative top tier candidate and I agree that the NRA should endorse him now.

7 posted on 09/25/2007 2:55:16 AM PDT by AlaskaErik (I served and protected my country for 31 years. Democrats spent that time trying to destroy it.)
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To: AlaskaErik

-—ditto that—Ron Paul has a little more chance as the nominee than I do-—


8 posted on 09/25/2007 2:59:28 AM PDT by rellimpank (-don't believe anything the MSM states about firearms or explosives--NRA Benefactor)
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To: Jim Robinson

I think if the NRA endorses Fred it will help galvanize a lot more people who are undecided. It will also reinforce that “gun rights” will be a plank in Fred’s platform which is sure to bring out the moonbats ire.


9 posted on 09/25/2007 2:59:51 AM PDT by SWEETSUNNYSOUTH (Help stamp out liberalism!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Don’t we always hammer the unions for doing this kind of thing so early? And why not Duncan Hunter? This comes off as another of those Fred/Rudy/Romney/McCain is a tier 1 candidate self-fulfilling prophecies and I don’t think I’m the only one who does not like that.


10 posted on 09/25/2007 3:00:13 AM PDT by Dahoser (America's great untapped alternative energy source: The Founding Fathers spinning in their graves.)
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To: Wyoming Cowboy
The parted ways with NRA this past summer. Their B rating of RINO Romney did it, a candidate who infringed on law abiding citizens of Massachusetts with his signing of the state’s AWB because “he knew if he vetoed it, the legislature would override his veto” a spineless decision by Waffling Willard.

I am also tired of their monthly solicitation for money, their magazine, typical of many today, more catalog the anything else. LaPerre (spl) is willing to let the liberals erode our rights, versus telling them to FO. He debates like a pacifist.

11 posted on 09/25/2007 3:01:14 AM PDT by tiger-one (The night has a thousand eyes)
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To: SWEETSUNNYSOUTH

Go FRed, go!! https://www.fred08.com/contribute.aspx?RefererID=c637caaa-315c-4b4c-9967-08d864cd0791


12 posted on 09/25/2007 3:07:40 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (https://www.fred08.com/contribute.aspx?RefererID=c637caaa-315c-4b4c-9967-08d864cd0791)
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To: Dahoser
Don’t we always hammer the unions for doing this kind of thing so early? And why not Duncan Hunter?

I like Hunter but he has only a marginal chance of victory since he can't hope to win over the independent moderates or the conservative democrats (Reagan Democrats) who'll be more terrified of Hillary than Fred but unable to commit to Hunter for a wider variety of reasons besides guns. You absolutely cannot win the Oval Office without attracting a substantial number of votes from across the aisle.

As for the unions...well sure...but they're always on the side of EVIL and they always choose to sacrifice their souls (and guns) to find the next DO-BOY who will dance to their worker state tune.

13 posted on 09/25/2007 3:26:45 AM PDT by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: ExSoldier

They said the same things about Reagan. Whether Hunter is another Reagan isn’t the issue, though. What is the issue is a nominating process that we have to trust or change so that we can trust it. I’m getting the impression that people don’t trust it because they want to rig it in favor of the electable candidates to prevent a Duncan Hunter from slipping by. It really seems like a return to the smoke-filled room selection process.


14 posted on 09/25/2007 3:35:04 AM PDT by Dahoser (America's great untapped alternative energy source: The Founding Fathers spinning in their graves.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The NRA also supported the scumbag Democrat John Murtha over a pro-gun Republican Diana Irey. Which is why I will not be renewing my membership.


15 posted on 09/25/2007 3:40:31 AM PDT by Jaxter ("Vivit Post Funera Virtus")
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To: Jaxter

I sure would like to hear the reason behind nra supporting the dirtbag.


16 posted on 09/25/2007 3:45:00 AM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Defeat liberalism, its the right thing to do for America.)
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To: Wyoming Cowboy
You cannot get any more SECOND AMENDMENT THAN FRED! NRA will NEVER back a blame America surrender monkey like paul.

LLS

17 posted on 09/25/2007 4:17:07 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Support America, Kill terrorists, Destroy dims!)
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To: Jaxter
The GOA crowd loves to throw up a rabid set of fictions about the NRA, and I always try to toss a little reason on the argument. I’m an NRA member and I consider myself an active supporter of gun rights, but I’m also a lucid member of a participatory political process so I generally prefer the NRA’s tactics over the GOA. I’ve defended them quite a bit on FR.

With all that said, this is the first really relevant critique I’ve heard of the NRA. Murtha (IMHO) is a despicable piece of turncoat trash, and the only reason I can imagine they have supported him is a consolidation of their power with the Democratic base. That’s an “inside the beltway” view, and I’d prefer my NRA to be a little more populist. They need to understand that their membership is not Washington insiders and although there is an occasional pro-gun Democrat like Murtha hanging out there, the 2nd amendment issue has become largely partisan, so it would serve their interests to fall on the right hand side of the aisle in all ties.

I'm going to make sure they hear my views on this.

18 posted on 09/25/2007 4:22:27 AM PDT by tcostell (MOLON LABE)
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To: Dahoser
The “system” is the best in the world and you do not like it and mistrust it because you cannot fathom why the rest of the Conservative base does not rally behind your guy (I really like Hunter but he does not excite the base... sad but true.). We have two Rino’s and a Conservative in the top three... the difference is that most of us want a Conservative to WIN... America will perish under the dims... or at least be so wounded that she will die. Fred is a Conservative and is leading in 99% of the National polls and closing in fast in the North... he pretty much owns the South.

LLS

19 posted on 09/25/2007 4:23:43 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Support America, Kill terrorists, Destroy dims!)
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To: LibLieSlayer

...just wish he wasn’t a CFR member. He’ll push for the stupid PPP /NAU for sure.


20 posted on 09/25/2007 4:47:13 AM PDT by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: leadhead
No offense to his supporters here, but Rudy...

Nobody is more offensive to me...

I have said so many times. I despise Clinton, but I think Ruby Julie-Annie is worse... He could marry Mrs. Clinton and few would be able to tell the difference between him and her husband...

21 posted on 09/25/2007 5:08:33 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Thanks for the article. It looks like the NRA has to change tactics and drive out front runner rudy, the media’s pick.


22 posted on 09/25/2007 5:13:36 AM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - Hunter '08)
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To: tiger-one

Yeah, buddy. I feel for you. That trip to the trashcan is a real b!tch especially if the tv remote doesn’t reach that far.

By the way, John Wayne’s single action Colt was made in 1909!! I guess you didn’t read that article.


23 posted on 09/25/2007 5:17:02 AM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - Hunter '08)
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To: SWEETSUNNYSOUTH
It will also reinforce that “gun rights” will be a plank in Fred’s platform which is sure to bring out the moonbats ire.

The moonbats are going to vote for the Hilabeast or some other liberal be they Republican or Democrat.

24 posted on 09/25/2007 5:20:54 AM PDT by TYVets (God so loved the world he didn't send a committee)
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To: Wyoming Cowboy
I’m not saying Thompson has a bad 2nd amendment record, but if the NRA were really serious about this issue they would of course endorse Ron Paul.

The NRA's early decision would be to affect the process. They will want someone that is strongly pro-2A and has something better than a snowballs chance in hell of winning.

That makes Thompson a logical choice.

The NRA members I know, including myself, are also very fond of the idea of confronting islamo-facists over there and not over here. Which would make Ron Paul a throw away endorsement.

25 posted on 09/25/2007 5:47:42 AM PDT by SampleMan (Islamic tolerance is practiced by killing you last.)
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To: Dahoser
Don’t we always hammer the unions for doing this kind of thing so early? And why not Duncan Hunter? This comes off as another of those Fred/Rudy/Romney/McCain is a tier 1 candidate self-fulfilling prophecies and I don’t think I’m the only one who does not like that.

You raise a good point, in that there is more than one good candidate for the NRA to choose from. But they aren't endorsing right now. By Feb-March of next year, it will be time for those who have not broken 10% to start heading for stage right.

26 posted on 09/25/2007 5:50:58 AM PDT by SampleMan (Islamic tolerance is practiced by killing you last.)
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To: Shooter 2.5
Keep sending you money to the NRA, and I’ll watch the NRA waist on people like Romney.
27 posted on 09/25/2007 5:57:45 AM PDT by tiger-one (The night has a thousand eyes)
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To: Wyoming Cowboy
"....but if the NRA were really serious about this issue they would of course endorse Ron Paul."

You have a strange definition of "serious". Supporting a certain loser by attempting to show some sort of "high principle" doesn't win elections and is a tragic waste of valuable influence.

If you want to positively affect the future of our country, it would be most helpful for you to support whomever has the best chance of defeating Hillary. Your approach would just give her a bigger margin and plausible claims of a mandate.

28 posted on 09/25/2007 6:01:27 AM PDT by Buffalo Head (Illigitimi non carborundum)
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To: taxed2death

I think we shall hear from Fred himself that this is not true. I think he is far too much of a Federalist to embrace that sellout.

LLS


29 posted on 09/25/2007 6:15:33 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Support America, Kill terrorists, Destroy dims!)
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To: Shooter 2.5
***By the way, John Wayne’s single action Colt was made in 1909!! I guess you didn’t read that article.***

Excuse me, but 'which' article? I searced the one posted and couldn't find that.

Have a link? Sounds like good reading.
thanks.

30 posted on 09/25/2007 6:22:22 AM PDT by Condor51 (Rudy makes John Kerry look like a Right Wing 'Gun Nut' Extremist)
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To: LibLieSlayer

More fear of the think tank...

Sheesh...


31 posted on 09/25/2007 6:44:24 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (I don't use a sarcasm tag, it kills the effect...)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This is great!


32 posted on 09/25/2007 6:47:35 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Jim Robinson
As a gun owner, I really, really like the fact that FRed has gone right after the gun owner vote. He's been appearing at gun shows and saying all the right things. Rudy and the other RINOs all look like children trying to force down a mouthful of Brussels sprouts when they say pro-gun things. (And as for Rudy, at least the other RINOs know the difference between the 2nd and 4th Amendments!)
33 posted on 09/25/2007 6:53:02 AM PDT by Redcloak (The 2nd Amendment isn't about sporting goods.)
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To: Wyoming Cowboy

Ron Paul? SURELY YOU JEST!! ROFLOLOL


34 posted on 09/25/2007 6:55:05 AM PDT by Paige ("Facts are stubborn things." President Ronald Reagan)
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To: Dahoser
I’m getting the impression that people don’t trust it because they want to rig it in favor of the electable candidates to prevent a Duncan Hunter from slipping by.

The reality is that Hunter can't even get by Mike Huckabee in the polls. He seems no more capable of winning the nomination than Alan Keyes.

35 posted on 09/25/2007 6:56:40 AM PDT by Ol' Sparky
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To: ejonesie22

I know... far too many conspiracy nuts here... but the left has their’s too!

LLS


36 posted on 09/25/2007 6:57:18 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Support America, Kill terrorists, Destroy dims!)
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To: LibLieSlayer
Crazy is universal...
37 posted on 09/25/2007 7:09:37 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (I don't use a sarcasm tag, it kills the effect...)
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To: LibLieSlayer

uhm, yeah. hunter is a lot more pro 2a than thompson.


38 posted on 09/25/2007 7:34:28 AM PDT by absolootezer0 (stop repeat offenders- don't re-elect them!)
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To: ejonesie22

Are you proud of your stupidity?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1901760/posts


39 posted on 09/25/2007 7:36:42 AM PDT by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

A Rudy vs. Hillary race in 2008 would leave the NRA trapped on the sidelines. Rudy needs to be elimated in the primaries ASAP.


40 posted on 09/25/2007 7:50:27 AM PDT by Agent Smith (Fallujah delenda est. (I wish))
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41 posted on 09/25/2007 7:53:22 AM PDT by Politicalmom (Of the potential GOP front runners, FT has one of the better records on immigration.- NumbersUSA)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
This would be a huge lift for Fred`s campaign. The NRA realizes the seriousness of this primary season and stopping a lying liberal from getting the GOP nomination is critical. Rooty's an anti-gun, gun grabbing authoritarian and can’t be trusted.

Go Fred go!

42 posted on 09/25/2007 7:53:43 AM PDT by Reagan Man (FUHGETTABOUTIT Rudy....... Conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
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To: taxed2death

Who are you to call someone stupid? You are afraid of a think tank which has Angelina Jolie as a member.


43 posted on 09/25/2007 8:01:40 AM PDT by Politicalmom (Of the potential GOP front runners, FT has one of the better records on immigration.- NumbersUSA)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"You don't support the Second Amendment; you LIVE the Second Amendment"

Good move, NRA.

44 posted on 09/25/2007 8:06:24 AM PDT by b9 ("Fred... doesn't suffer fools and he has the guts and the microphone to say what I think" ~ Samwise)
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To: AlaskaErik

Fourth Tier.


45 posted on 09/25/2007 8:06:47 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Reagan Man

This would be seismic.

I wonder how the MSM will spin this.

FNC is 100% predictable. They will take a yankees lose approach. “Guiliani lost the radical NRA endorsement today. it went to somebody else we can’t name.”

NYC Effete Elites will circle the waggons.


46 posted on 09/25/2007 8:10:16 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Ol' Sparky
He seems no more capable of winning the nomination than Alan Keyes.

In December of 1999, Dr. Keyes was competing for last place with Orrin Hatch. Five weeks later, he had finished strongly in Iowa and earned one of the proverbial three tickets to New Hampshire.

This fight has barely begun. Not a single ballot will be cast for many months.

Conservatives need to stop listening to the gatekeepers in the Democrat Media and in the party and start listening very, very carefully to what the candidates are really saying.

If they can find the wisdom do that, they will discover that when it comes to real policy, and real principle, Alan Keyes stands head and shoulders above ANYONE in this race.

Alan Keyes - Jan Mickelson's show - WHO Radio in Des Moines, IA

47 posted on 09/25/2007 8:12:24 AM PDT by EternalVigilance ("The Pledge For America's Revival" - Alan Keyes 2008 - www.AlanKeyes.com)
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To: Politicalmom

I’d be a lot less worried of this “think tank” if there were no politicians as members.

The NAU could almost work if Messico were excluded. Logic would dictate that having three “partners”, two having nearly the same standard of living and one being a corrupt cesspool will create untold problems.


48 posted on 09/25/2007 8:12:25 AM PDT by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This could be very good news to those that feel Rudy is watering down the Republican party and forcing it away from its social conservative politics.

Let’s move NRA.


49 posted on 09/25/2007 8:13:43 AM PDT by commonguymd (Move it to the right)
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To: taxed2death
Wait.

You have the nerve to call ejonsie stupid, and you post ...

“The NAU could almost work if Messico were excluded”

Now, THAT’S stupid!

50 posted on 09/25/2007 10:33:55 AM PDT by papasmurf (I'm for Free, Fair, and Open trade. America needs to stand by it's true Friend. Israel.)
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