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Teens Held Without Bond in Girl's Slaying (hate crime?)
WRAL Web Site ^ | 9/25/2007 | Bryan Mims

Posted on 09/25/2007 2:22:23 PM PDT by Jack Black

Teens Held Without Bond in Girl's Slaying

Carthage — Tight security surrounds three teens charged with killing a 12-year-old girl in her Moore County home last week.

Van Roger Smith Jr., 16, Sherrod Nicholas Harrison, 19, and Michael Graham Currie, 18, all of Cameron, have been charged with first-degree murder and breaking and entering in the death of Emily Elizabeth Haddock. Emily was dead Friday in her home on Marks Road outside of Vass, authorities said.

She had stayed home from school with strep throat and was alone when someone broke into the house and, surprised to find someone inside, shot her several times with a .22-caliber handgun, authorities said. Two of the teens lived on Marks Road about six miles from the Haddock home.

Harnett County authorities located a stolen .22-caliber handgun on Monday in a car with stolen plates in the Carolina Hills area of the county. The gun had been stolen last Thursday from a home, and authorities said it might be the weapon used in the slaying. Perry Ross Schiro, 19, of Cameron, was charged with burglary, larceny and possession of stolen property in connection with the gun.

One of the three teens charged in the slaying also is considered a "person of interest" in an attempted break-in last Friday about a mile from the Haddock home, authorities said. The three teens made their first court appearance Tuesday morning and were appointed attorneys.

A bond hearing is scheduled for Wednesday in District Court, but authorities have declined to disclose the time of the hearing for security reason. The teens were being held without bond Tuesday in the Moore County Detention Center.

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KEYWORDS: crime; hatecrime; murder; race
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Another many assailants on one defenseless victim, black-on-white, violent crime. Jesse and Al should stop in and work to get the charges reduced to something more appropriate given the age of the killers. (Like 'negligent discharge of a firearm'). They could call their bus the "Intimidation Express" ...

Here is a picture of the victims and perps:


1 posted on 09/25/2007 2:22:26 PM PDT by Jack Black
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To: Jack Black

disguesting, Death penalty that’s the only kind of treatment scum like that deserve. When are we going to start protecting ourselves?


2 posted on 09/25/2007 2:27:06 PM PDT by utherdoul
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To: Eaker; AK2KX; Ancesthntr; ApesForEvolution; archy; backhoe; Badray; t_skoz; Becki; Jack Black; ...

Are these incidents becoming more common? Drudge has another clearly racial teen beating linked on his page today. Is the racial climate deteriorating in the USA? If so, why? Times are pretty good for jobs. All races are featured prominently in the media, lots of rich black role models out there. Why the hate? Even inter-racial marraige is a common every-day occurance. I honestly think most white do not harbor hatred of blacks in their hearts at this point, either.


3 posted on 09/25/2007 2:29:12 PM PDT by Jack Black
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To: Jack Black

Victim: http://wwwcache.wral.com/asset/news/local/2007/09/21/1848683/1190432461_emily1-600x450.jpg

Accused: http://a.abcnews.com/images/US/ht_teens_charged_070925_ms.jpg


5 posted on 09/25/2007 2:30:29 PM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: Jack Black

hang the damn gang banger scum.


6 posted on 09/25/2007 2:31:05 PM PDT by pissant (Duncan Hunter: Warrior, Statesman, Conservative)
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To: Jack Black
"Is the racial climate deteriorating in the USA?"

I don't think so. Reporting is getting better.

7 posted on 09/25/2007 2:32:11 PM PDT by Enterprise (Those who "betray us" also "Betray U.S." They're called DEMOCRATS!)
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To: Enterprise

I agree but this won’t last long


8 posted on 09/25/2007 2:33:09 PM PDT by Joe Boucher (An enemy of Islam)
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To: Jack Black

it doesn’t matter how good minorities have it, they will always find excuses to hate..it’s easier to be a victim than to actually have to work at something.


9 posted on 09/25/2007 2:35:08 PM PDT by Awestruck (All the usual suspects)
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To: Jack Black

It’s not just a matter of ordinary racism, if you ask me. It’s a matter of race baiting.

The politicians, the educators, and the welfare queens have been telling blacks for the past 40 years that the white racists are oppressing them, and at least some of them have probably learned that lesson.

When you demonize white for 40 years for political purposes, who can be surprised if black youths start taking it seriously?

What started out with considerable nobility in Selma, Alabama, has been going sour ever since LBJ decided to take advantage of the movement for his own political purposes. When young people should be learning that all men are created equal ina the sight of God, instead they are learning that one race is guilty and the other is entitled. This is not a healthy thing to teach people.


10 posted on 09/25/2007 2:35:40 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Jack Black

They look like they share a brain....

Just one...between them...but I'm being generous....

11 posted on 09/25/2007 2:37:21 PM PDT by dirtbiker (I'm a liberal's worst nightmare: a redneck with a pickup, a library card, and a conceal carry permit)
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To: Jack Black

I could give a crap what freakin’ color the perps are. Kill Them!


12 posted on 09/25/2007 2:37:35 PM PDT by gathersnomoss (General George Patton had it right.)
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To: Jack Black

yeah, they need to get out on bail...and maybe old, demented rock stars can send a few $50 bills to them...


13 posted on 09/25/2007 2:38:56 PM PDT by cherry
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To: Jack Black

IMO these perps deserve the death penalty. That being said, I do not think the evidence points to this being a killing based on race. No, it was a murder that was deemed necessary to cover up a burglery.

They didn’t want to face the penalty for burglery, so they sentenced the girl to death.

For that they should pay the ultimate price.

Don’t give me the “they were minors” defense. They were old enough to know they wouldn’t want to die. They knew better.

Put them on trial. Convict them. Excute them.


14 posted on 09/25/2007 2:39:44 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Hillary has pay fever. There she goes now... "Ha Hsu, ha hsu, haaaa hsu, ha hsu...")
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To: dirtbiker

Just the expressions on their faces make me want to kick their teeth in.


15 posted on 09/25/2007 2:41:30 PM PDT by BearCub
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To: DoughtyOne
Don’t give me the “they were minors” defense

Can't execute the 16 year old but the other two could get it - they were 18 and 19.

16 posted on 09/25/2007 2:42:47 PM PDT by BearCub
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To: DoughtyOne

Your scenario sounds believable, but if the girl had been a 12 year old black girl would they have still killed her? I suspect that hatred of whites contributed to the utter contempt they showed for the life of this poor girl.


17 posted on 09/25/2007 2:43:04 PM PDT by Jack Black
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To: Cicero

BUMP


18 posted on 09/25/2007 2:43:27 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ( Hunter/Thompson/Thompson/Hunter in 08! "Read my lips....No new RINO's" !!)
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To: Jack Black

Am I missing something here? I see nothing to indicate that the thugs killed the girl because of race. Why insert that element?


19 posted on 09/25/2007 2:43:51 PM PDT by Bigg Red (Duncan Hunter in 2008!)
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To: Jack Black

The way I’ve always read it (thanks MSM) that it’s a hate crime when it’s white on black but not when it’s black on white ... then the race card is played ..... re: Jena6 ....


20 posted on 09/25/2007 2:44:24 PM PDT by SkyDancer ("There is no distinctly Native American criminal class...save Congress - Mark Twain")
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To: Jack Black
Your scenario sounds believable, but if the girl had been a 12 year old black girl would they have still killed her? I suspect that hatred of whites contributed to the utter contempt they showed for the life of this poor girl.

Of course not because as we all know, black-on-black crime is practically unheard of.

21 posted on 09/25/2007 2:44:35 PM PDT by LWalk18
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To: Jack Black
From Heather MacDonald:

“The reason that the black incarceration rate is the highest in the country is that blacks have the highest crime rate—by a long shot. Don’t trust the police, prosecutors, or judges to give a fair picture of black crime? Then go where the bodies are. Los Angeles is representative. In the first seven months of 2007, blacks in Los Angeles were murdered at a rate ten times that of whites and Asians. Who’s killing them? It’s not whites and Asians. While a minor proportion of the assailants of blacks are Hispanic, the vast majority are black themselves. Nationally, blacks commit murder at about eight times the frequency of whites. In New York, any given violent crime is 13 times more likely to have been committed by a black person than by a white person, according to the reports of victims and witnesses. Though they are only 24 percent of the city’s population, blacks committed 68.5 percent of all murders, rapes, robberies, and assaults in New York last year. Whites, who make up 34.5 percent of New Yorkers, committed only 5.3 percent of violent crimes. These ratios are similar across the country. In Los Angeles, blacks committed 41 percent of all robberies in 2001, according to victims’ descriptions, though they constitute only 11 percent of the city’s population. Robbery victims identified whites, who make up 30 percent of the Los Angeles population, just 4 percent of the time.”

Her article on the “Jena 6” and race relations in America is available at City Journal and well worth your time:

http://www.city-journal.org/html/eon2007-09-24hm.html

22 posted on 09/25/2007 2:44:37 PM PDT by mojito
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To: Jack Black
One of the three teens charged in the slaying also is considered a "person of interest" in an attempted break-in last Friday about a mile from the Haddock home,

Once again, we need to start putting these scum away. Cops and juries don't take "non-violent" crimes seriously enough. I'd bet $100 no one dusted for prints or otherwise thoroughly investigated the attempted break-in. Impossible to say, but had they pursued that case with vigor and shaken the trees sufficiently, maybe the perps would have laid low (or possibly have been caught) and not attempted another break-in, and the girl would still be alive.

23 posted on 09/25/2007 2:44:44 PM PDT by JTHomes
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To: DoughtyOne
That being said, I do not think the evidence points to this being a killing based on race. No, it was a murder that was deemed necessary to cover up a burglery.

Probably correct. Unfortunately, there seem to be a lot of FReepers lately who are itching to find a racial aspect to any crime -- it almost seems like they have a "revenge" motive.

Pretty ugly way to act, imo....

24 posted on 09/25/2007 2:44:45 PM PDT by r9etb
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To: Jack Black

At 12, had my daughter been home alone, she would have access to several firearms, and the skill to use them properly.
It may be a shame to raise kids as warriors, but in a world full of barbarians I see no other choice.


25 posted on 09/25/2007 2:45:14 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (THE SECOND AMENDMENT, A MATTER OF FACT, NOT A MATTER OF OPINION)
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To: Jack Black

“Are these incidents becoming more common?”

Ask yourself why during the sixties the media unanimously,and spontaneously decided to start leaving out the race of criminals and victims.


26 posted on 09/25/2007 2:45:19 PM PDT by ansel12 (Proud father of a 10th Mountain veteran. Proud son of a WWII vet. Proud brother of vets.)
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To: BearCub

I don’t argue with you based on the law, but I certainly do on the basis of the serious nature of the crime and this kids willing involvement. Fry him. The girl won’t get a second chance. Hell no, that he should get one.


27 posted on 09/25/2007 2:45:46 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Hillary has pay fever. There she goes now... "Ha Hsu, ha hsu, haaaa hsu, ha hsu...")
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To: Jack Black

Look like very clean cut Magic Negroes, similar to Osama bin Obama. I’m sure they are merely the victims of an unjust Republican society that has inflicted racial hatred and poverty upon them for centuries. They are obviously NOT responsible for their actions. Rather it us, the cruel conservatives of this world, who have kept these fine young men crushed under the boot heel of a racist America! I say free the Vass 3! Allow them to party with the Jena 6!


28 posted on 09/25/2007 2:45:50 PM PDT by Doc Savage (I have a fever,... and the only cure is more cowbell...)
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To: Jack Black

Jack, if black crime was primarily black on white, I’d have more sympathy for your arguement. In light of what takes place all the time, I don’t doubt at all that these kids would gun down one of their own under the same circumstances.

I don’t think your comments are unreasonable, I just have to disagree.


29 posted on 09/25/2007 2:47:49 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Hillary has pay fever. There she goes now... "Ha Hsu, ha hsu, haaaa hsu, ha hsu...")
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To: Jack Black

This is obviously not a hate crime and probably would not be persecuted as such were the race of the Victim and perps reversed.

This was a robbery gone bad they did not enter to kill a while person they thought they were going into an empty home.

Be careful not to fall into the trap of acting like those race pims Jackson and Sharpton who would be screaming hate crime were the situation reversed..


30 posted on 09/25/2007 2:48:38 PM PDT by N3WBI3 (Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak....)
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I think the leaders of minority hate groups keep stirring things up to keep the money flowing in.

Just because I think that illegals create more problems than they are worth, it doesn’t mean I hate all other minorities.
I AM a minority, now, here in California.

Sure, there are still individuals that maintain the old hatreds. But, most of us do not go looking for someone to hate, like in the KKK days.

I don’t know if it was a hate crime. It doesn’t matter. She is still dead. It was just a stupid crime, because those kids haven’t been taught any better than to take what they want, and murder to try and cover it up.

My heart goes out to the families involved, not just the girl’s family. All of these kids need a mother at home, and a father to lead the family.

Seems to be difficult to find these days.


31 posted on 09/25/2007 2:48:47 PM PDT by wizr (A step in Faith will set you free.)
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To: r9etb
sure its racial.....they didn't go to just any neighborhood to rob...they went to a white neighborhood.....they targeted white houses.....

its not that I like the idea of "hate" crimes, but if the blacks are going to use it , so can the whites....

32 posted on 09/25/2007 2:48:52 PM PDT by cherry
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To: r9etb

I think I know where you are coming from, and based on that I agree.


33 posted on 09/25/2007 2:49:29 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Hillary has pay fever. There she goes now... "Ha Hsu, ha hsu, haaaa hsu, ha hsu...")
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To: r9etb

I am not seeking revenge on anyone. I’m sorry if you find my posting or comments ugly. I find the situation ugly. I think there is an obvious racial component of much crime today - but it’s the issue we are not allowed to discuss without being called racist.

Again, I’m not suggesting that the killers sought out a girl of a different race to kill, but that stumbling on her I suspect it was far easier to do because of the racial divide that still exists in the USA.


34 posted on 09/25/2007 2:51:30 PM PDT by Jack Black
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To: mafree; trumandogz; Saberwielder

ping for another case that will require justice


35 posted on 09/25/2007 2:51:54 PM PDT by SauronOfMordor (When injustice becomes law, rebellion becomes duty)
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To: N3WBI3

Thanks. I just put a few recent news storys up with that question to spawn discussion, give the Jena 6 situation.

I guess my final take is that I don’t like “hate crime” laws because it is immaterial. Punish the action, not the imputed thougts behind them.

Whether or not they had a racist bone in their bodies, the killers still shot this little girl. In the end, that’s all the crime that we need to make it a tragedy and to describe their punishment.

Hate crime laws divdide us, because it requries the law to get into someone’s brain. And we can’t do that, opinions and views always differ.


36 posted on 09/25/2007 2:55:29 PM PDT by Jack Black
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To: Enterprise
Reporting is getting better.

Not better, but more focussed. Anything to keep Hsu off of the front page.

37 posted on 09/25/2007 2:55:44 PM PDT by webheart
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To: N3WBI3
This is obviously not a hate crime and probably would not be persecuted as such were the race of the Victim and perps reversed. This was a robbery gone bad they did not enter to kill a while person they thought they were going into an empty home.

I disagree. They could have just ran out. That little girl was no threat to them. They thought so little of that 12 year old girl that they would rather kill her than allow her to possibly ID them. This indicates a pathological level of hate.

38 posted on 09/25/2007 2:56:47 PM PDT by SauronOfMordor (When injustice becomes law, rebellion becomes duty)
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To: Cicero
Re: 10

Good synopsis.
You reap what you have sown; and we have sown exactly what you highlighted.
A culture of victimization, of government dependency, and some twisted myth that all things evil are to be laid on the doorstep of Western Civilization.

We need to reinvigorate the land with Truth. There is an accountability before the Almighty God, and Western Civilization was uncommonly blessed because, for a time, it carried the Banner of Christ. We suffer from national amnesia (or brainwashing), and judge people by their affiliations rather than actions.

39 posted on 09/25/2007 2:57:14 PM PDT by El Cid (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house...)
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To: Cicero

You are so right. It was back in the 1960’s that I was in a very racial mixed school. The black kids were told by their parents that the white kids “owed” them and would ask for money from you before you got in line to buy a snack or something. The learning of the ‘shake down” was going on way back then.

That is why the hate is there. You don’t have to do anything to get jumped and beat up. I witnessed such goings on way back then. I know better.

If anything the liberals are to blame for this situation and allowing it to get this bad in the first place. But noooo, they continue to make things worse instead.


40 posted on 09/25/2007 2:57:51 PM PDT by TruthConquers (Delendae sunt publici scholae)
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To: Awestruck

And they’ll have charlatans such as J. Jackson and Sharpton to encourage and validate their belief that Whitey is to blame for whatever is not going well in their lives.


41 posted on 09/25/2007 2:58:13 PM PDT by Elsiejay (,)
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To: Jack Black

Nope, not a hate crime.

Just the oppressed taking what they consider rightfully theirs.

If the colors were reversed it would be.


42 posted on 09/25/2007 3:01:56 PM PDT by sport
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Here is the link to the thread on FR where the Drudge linked teen beating video and aricle is hosted.

Looks like more than 'new kid in the neighborhood hazing' to me.

43 posted on 09/25/2007 3:02:08 PM PDT by Jack Black
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To: pissant

Guys, this is Moore County. No gang bangers here.


44 posted on 09/25/2007 3:02:11 PM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: dirtbiker

Just look at them. No remorse in their eyes. They’re sociopaths.


45 posted on 09/25/2007 3:04:32 PM PDT by darkangel82 (Socialism is NOT an American value.)
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To: r9etb

You misunderstand.....since any crime committed by a white on a minority can now be considered a “hate crime” (which is often done)....likewise such crimes committed by minorities on whites are “hate crimes”

Liberals tend to find reasons why apparent hate crimes are not hate crimes.

Until hate crimes laws are equally enforced, these laws are always a joke. Should we have to form a White Civil Rights movement to see equal enforcement of laws?


46 posted on 09/25/2007 3:06:03 PM PDT by UCFRoadWarrior (FantasyCollegeBlitz.com)
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To: Jack Black

Well, this happened in the Raleigh/Durham area. Another crime with three alleged perpetrators and one victim (and no doubt we have victim this time), just the latest in a long history of children being victimized by adults and older teens.

I’m waiting for the Duke Gang of 88 to take out full page ads decrying the continuing victimization of children by adults, and anticipate large demonstrations and many outside activist descending upon the area. And, of course, 24/7 media coverage for at least a week or two. I’m sure CNN is blanketing their programs with the story as I type.


47 posted on 09/25/2007 3:09:34 PM PDT by Will88
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To: Joe Boucher; webheart
Where I am going with this is that prior to the internet and You.tube a lot of crimes like these were "under-reported." Thus, what isn't known can't be objected to. There exists a perception that officials are reluctant to prosecute blacks who commit hate crimes against whites. Officials don't like it, but incidents like this one only lend credence to that perception. And it's because when these incidents do occur, and officials delcine to do their sworn duty, it makes them look biased, cynical, incompetent, and indifferent to their oaths. The people have a right to replace a corrupt and lazy government, or in this case a police department. I hope they do so.
48 posted on 09/25/2007 3:12:53 PM PDT by Enterprise (Those who "betray us" also "Betray U.S." They're called DEMOCRATS!)
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To: SauronOfMordor
I disagree. They could have just ran out.

They could have not robbed the house in the first place.

That little girl was no threat to them.

Presumably she saw their face and they were responsible for a string of robberies in the neighborhood

They thought so little of that 12 year old girl that they would rather kill her than allow her to possibly ID them.

No doubt they are scum but they did not kill her because she was white, nor did they kill her to intimidate a group of people.

49 posted on 09/25/2007 3:15:25 PM PDT by N3WBI3 (Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak....)
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To: Jack Black

There is no need for the hate crime designation in the crime. They committed murder, pure and simple. When you are committing a crime and you kill someone simply because the only threat the represent to you is that they might identify you then it’s murder.

How on Earth have we come to the point where a crime such as that described here is not murder. I might be wrong, but in my mind it’s the kind of crime the death penalty was invented to handle.

As a matter of fact I don’t care if one of them was only 16, he took part in a heinous crime and there is absolutely no reason that he should not pay the ultimate price for it.


50 posted on 09/25/2007 3:15:59 PM PDT by jwparkerjr (Sigh . . .)
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