See You at the Pole (nationwide, students will pray Weds. at public school flagpole gatherings)

See You at the Pole web site ^

[The Spirit Of Allegiance]

See You at the Pole™ is a student-initiated, student organized, and student-led event. That means this is all about students meeting at their school flagpole to pray—for their school, friends teachers, government, and their nation. See You at the Pole™ is not a demonstration, political rally, nor a stand for or against anything.

See You at the Pole™ is scheduled annually on the fourth Wednesday in September, which is September 26 in 2007. The suggested starting time is 7 a.m. If that doesn't work for your school, choose a time that will work for your school, but let everyone at your school know!

[The Spirit Of Allegiance]

Reportedly, millions of students have participated in recent events.

If you hear about this too late to act on it for 9/26/07, find another date and time. Please pass this on to parents and students. There are follow-up ideas on the site.

There are also some very good FREEDOM OF RELIGION legal resources on the site. (See the Students' Rights link.)

[LibWhacker]

I love it!!! God, the flag, and public school kids all together in one place. Must drive the libs bonkers. How many lawsuits have they filed?

[governmentstillsucks]

If you hear about this too late to act on it for 9/26/07, find another date and time. Please pass this on to parents and students. There are follow-up ideas on the site.

I'm glad to see "See You at the Pole" becoming an annual tradition. Regular Jay Sekulow listeners remember when this was just a protest, if you will.

[governmentstillsucks]

I love it!!! God, the flag, and public school kids all together in one place. Must drive the libs bonkers. How many lawsuits have they filed?

None that I know of--but check out the Commie chagrin on CommonDreams.org:

Pat Robertson Attorney Promoting Inaccurate View...

[The Spirit Of Allegiance]

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[governmentstillsucks]

Thanks for the links! It’s an issue that I hold very dear.

[do the dhue]

I love it too.

A prayer does not establish a religion. A Manger Scene or the Ten Commandments on public property does not establish a religion. Only Congress has the power to establish a religion by telling us we all have to attend the Glory Bound Bible Thumpin' Church every Sunday. But tell someone they can not pray or put up the Ten Commandments up as a display prohibits the free exercise of religion.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

[Grammy]

I find it just fascinating that tomorrow the kids in our district are off for a parent/teacher conference day.

Just a coinky dink, right?

[governmentstillsucks]

A prayer does not establish a religion. A Manger Scene or the Ten Commandments on public property does not establish a religion. Only Congress has the power to establish a religion by telling us we all have to attend the Glory Bound Bible Thumpin' Church every Sunday. But tell someone they can not pray or put up the Ten Commandments up as a display prohibits the free exercise of religion.

I don't know. A few years back, I passed by a publicly displayed Star of David and suddenly developed this craving for knish. Get me an ACLU attorney, pronto!

In all seriousness, we have a lot more constitutional standing on this matter than we think.

[Kitten1]

This is awesome and very interesting. I hadn’t heard of this as an annual event.

When I lived in the western suburbs of IL, my daughter and many of her classmates did this at their high school—twice a month—6:45am prayer around the flagpole since 9/11. She was a freshmen when the attacks of September 11 happened. This went on until she graduated. I’m not sure if they still do—but they probably do. I’m so proud our young people.

[AppyPappy]

I always hear about this too late

[donnab]

My son just told me that he knew about this and that his school actually made the announcement on their morning TV with upcoming events. Frankly I am surprised but very pleased.

[governmentstillsucks]

My son just told me that he knew about this and that his school actually made the announcement on their morning TV with upcoming events. Frankly I am surprised but very pleased.

Government schools--who'd a thunk it? In some places, the people still have more power than the federally distributed taxpayer dollar and the NEA.

[do the dhue]

LOL and back to seriousness, I believe you are correct. The other side has to go to a court ruling from the 1800s. We have the constitution. I went to Jefferson’s Memorial. I was surprised at how many times I read the words God or Creator. I think it is clear what Jefferson wanted. He did not want the Government in the affairs of the Church.

[governmentstillsucks]

LOL and back to seriousness, I believe you are correct. The other side has to go to a court ruling from the 1800s. We have the constitution. I went to Jefferson’s Memorial. I was surprised at how many times I read the words God or Creator. I think it is clear what Jefferson wanted. He did not want the Government in the affairs of the Church.

Funny that you mention Thomas Jefferson. You're familiar with the Jefferson Bible, correct? It is usually used by atheist secularists as a thorn in the side of this idea of the United States of America being founded upon Reformed Christian ideas and the basic tenets of the Bible. Jefferson, in fact, used the earliest "red letter version," if you will: he focused upon the actual words of Jesus Christ and pointed towards the moral excellency of them, rather than discount all of the miracle stories, as is claimed by later Enlightenment-based commentators.

Jefferson wanted to get at the core of Jesus's teachings, because he found them to be superior to all others. His colleagues were in agreement.

Do a little legal research--I'd recommend Westlaw, as a start, if you can access it. If not, there are plenty of resources available through the ACLJ and Rutherford Institute. You'll see that public displays of faith on government property aren't nearly as verboten as some would assume.

[gracesdad]

I know this is going to sound too weird to many, but the ACLU has always said something like this is perfectly legal and fine. Religious activities, clubs etc, as long as it’s during non-academic time.

[governmentstillsucks]

I know this is going to sound too weird to many, but the ACLU has always said something like this is perfectly legal and fine. Religious activities, clubs etc, as long as it’s during non-academic time.

It isn't that weird, which is how I know that God has a very good sense of humor. The Commie-founded, Commie-operated, and predominantly Commie-staffed ACLU has by and large found itself on the right side of this issue, with regard to government schools. The right to non-academic religious clubs and gatherings is constitutional, provided that it doesn't interfere with regular class time and is not under the aegis of the staff, administrators or district officials.

[do the dhue]

That was a great post. I learned a lot. No, I had not heard of the Jefferson Bible. I think I might have all the socialist/commie Bastards a little apprehensive about bringing up any of their atheist, commie, psycho liberal babbling thorns to me. I love Jefferson too. I can tell by his writings that he knew who God was. I guess I am happy with this view and don’t wish for it to be tainted.

[governmentstillsucks]

That was a great post. I learned a lot. No, I had not heard of the Jefferson Bible. I think I might have all the socialist/commie Bastards a little apprehensive about bringing up any of their atheist, commie, psycho liberal babbling thorns to me. I love Jefferson too. I can tell by his writings that he knew who God was. I guess I am happy with this view and don’t wish for it to be tainted.

Tom Jefferson was hardly a deist in the way we define the term today. In fact, the so-called Deist founding father was quite active in the Anglican Church! He did, later in life, take some of the French philosophes ideas to heart, though I don't think he was ever a real secularist or skeptic when it came to basic Judeo-Christian philosophy of ethics and/or morality.

[do the dhue]

What do you know about this?

I have an understanding that Washington prayed an hour before bedtime and an hour when he woke up.

I also think that the Founding Fathers knew that man is a sinner and to much power in the hands of the few was bad for the people. So, they created a division in powers and a checks and balance system.

I also believe that our forefathers wanted us to have inalienable rights (or God given rights) so that no man or Government could take away our God given rights. I believe that the commies in our Country today wish to remove that idea for their purpose. What is their purpose? Well, I am an American and I pray to my God and we solve my problems together. Remove God and I end up praying to the Government to take care of me from the cradle to the grave.

And if they did not believe in Jesus, why did they end the Constitution with In the year of the Lord, 1787?

Think these are loco beliefs?