Posted on 09/26/2007 6:29:19 AM PDT by presidio9
Rudy Giuliani yesterday cited 9/11 to justify his conversion from ardent gun-control advocate to supporter of citizens' rights to bear arms.
"You have to look at all these issues in light of the different concerns that now exist - which is terrorism - the terrorists' war on us," the GOP presidential front-runner said in an interview with The Associated Press.
Giuliani said his conversion was triggered in part by a court ruling striking down local firearm restrictions in Washington, D.C.
"It is a very, very strong description of how important personal liberties are in this country and how we have to respect them,"
(Excerpt) Read more at nypost.com ...
One event made a difference in his extreme anti-gun platform? As big as 9-11 was, I just don’t see that one act being the justification for such a change. And I don’t see any indication in his record that he restored such rights to the citizens of NY after 9-11, or even made any effort too.
Sorry, Rudy. Past actions are indicative of future behavior.
Hhe is so full of sh!te.
Time to take Rudy’s numbers down into the single digits.
Go Fred.
I posted the backstory on the D.C. case here a few months ago. Was in the Washington Post and was actually a very good piece—it is an interesting story. Will see if I can find the thread.
You know, if when asked why he changed his position if he’d just come right out and say ‘political expediency’ I’d actually respect him more.
I hear his “words” but I’m going to vote based on his “actions.” He’s a documented gun-grabber ... look at the record (like Fred Thompson said). The members of the NRA are going to have to step up boldly in this next election ... there are not many good choices available.
Guiliani must have internal polling to show his lead evaporating.
went to real clear politics com and found a distinct down trend for him.
With the NRA jumping into the primaries, it will neutralize any faux second amendment show moves the MSM would assist guiliani.
It is boiling down to dean’s three g’s. God, guns, and “gays”. Guiliani fails on all three.
If he’s really had a change of heart on the matter, you’d think he’d be trying to do something to change the policies in his own city.
This man is so full of sh!t I can almost see it oozing out of his ears.
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh ha, ha, ha.....oh man....I needed a good laugh today
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Rudy going to do something about his harassing lawsuits against gun manufacturers? Aren’t they still going forward?
To Hell with Rudy and to to Hell with the Republican Party if it selects him as its Presidential Candidate.
funny how this is becoming such a big deal long after it happened. is fred worried?
Amazing
grace.
Giuliani is converted and sees the light on guns.
McCain is converted and sees the light on CFR and illegals.
Huckabee is converted and sees the light on open borders and taxes.
Thompson is converted and sees the light on CFR and open borders.
etc
etc
etc
An amazing election cycle -— what with all these miraculous conversions happening to both Dem and Pubbie candidates.
Let us all sing together, now:
“I saw the light, I saw the light.
No more darkness; no more night.
Now I’m so pandering and getting it right.
Praise the Party, I saw the light! ... and vote for meeeeeeee!”
"It is a very, very strong description of how important personal liberties are in this country and how we have to respect them,"
Does anyone have any doubt that if Giuliani were still mayor of New York he would be filing amicus curiae briefs in support of the DC gun grabbing law.
David Duke- “Why I like Blacks”
Bill Clinton: “Why I like Hillary”
Jessie Jackson: “Why I like Whitey”
The BOR stands on its own. Rudy’s feelings about 9-11 don’t impact the RKBA one whit.
And I don’t see any indication in his record that he restored such rights to the citizens of NY after 9-11, or even made any effort too.
Bingo.
Rudy's great with words. But those pesky actions keep coming back to haunt him....
Fred Thompson is the only candidate that gets it. He makes decisions based on principles. Principles don’t change. You have to stand for something and not change who you are based on the polls. That is what Mitt and Rudy have done and all of the Dems do it. Give me a leader that will stand by his principles anyday versus someone that stands for everything.
I know many, many Republicans, as you do, that will stay home if Rudy Giuliani is the candidate. He does not represent our values as Conservatives, and never will. Mitt Romney is a RINO, though a very nice man that simply has everything else and nothing to do. “I guess I’ll just try to buy the presidency”. Conservatives will simply stay home…the Dems will pick up additional seats in the House and probably get the 60 seats in the Senate they need to completely destroy our Country. Nice picture, huh?
However, I think Fred can bring America back together...if that’s even possible. America needs a rebirth of patriotism and honor. Republicans also need a rebirth. President Reagan was our last rebirth and he can never be duplicated. Fred will bring his own down to earth common sense to this Country and strength back to our party. A little of the good old days of faith and family would do well for this Country. If a Conservative runs as a Conservative, he will win!
Think of it this way...Eight years of another Clinton White House? Now...that should be sufficient enough reason to pull together as a party, as a Country, and fight this liberal socialist takeover of our government. It is not impossible to take back the House and the Senate. We are winning in Iraq—they know it. The best they can do now is stop our progress and choose defeat just like they did during Vietnam. We lost because Congress chose defeat. History repeats itself when not learned from.
Folks, we are in for the fight of our lives, just as our young men & women are fighting for our freedoms in Iraq and Afghanistan, we must fight for our Country right here and now! I truly believe Fred Thompson is the one man who can pull this party back together! Rudy will just tear us apart as a party. Liberal is liberal every day of the week.
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Guiliani sued, or tried to sue gun makers as I recall.
Sorry, while I respect the man, no way I’ll ever vote for him under any circumstances for President.
I’ll write my own name in first.
Yes, they are. And now Rudy's trying to distance himself from them:
Last week, Mr. Giuliani, a Republican candidate for president, told the National Rifle Association that the suit had “taken several turns and several twists that I don’t agree with.”
Maria Comella, a spokeswoman for Mr. Giuliani’s campaign, declined to comment on the disagreement.
Rudy's counting on some pretty short attention spans....
Does this mean that if the Supreme Court were to reverse the DC Circuit Court, upholding the DC gun ban, that Mssr. Giuliani would then tend to revert to his past opposition to guns in the hands of the peasants?
And your candidate is_____? Bet he has flaws, as well....
I like guns because they are a citizen’s last line of defense against lying, thieving politicians.
Give credit to Giuliani for staying on message. It’s “9/11”,”9/11”,”9/11”, even when the issue is gun control.
If 9-11 changed his mind about guns, why didn’t he immediately withdraw the lawsuit against the gun companies? Why didn’t he immediately push for the city council to repeal the draconian gun laws of NYC?
With a name like "TomGuy"?
"Who is Ron Paul?" for 300 Alex.
Also, as a general rule, people going out of their way to attack Thompson on this website are almost always Ron Paul nuts. The Rooty Rooters don't want to call attention to the differences between the two candidates. There don't appear to be any McCain or Romney supporters here. The Tancredo and Hunter supporters are jockeying for the VP spot.
Rudy shot himself in front of the NRA. He is toast.
So he wants us to be able to carry on airplanes? That's the only gun-related application to 9/11 I can think of.
You were intentionally not invited to my game. I have no use for people who troll this forum attacking Republican candidates without offering viable alternatives. Even if Newt and especially Keyes weren't laughably unelectable, they ain't running. The fact that you would be taken in by either one shows an absurd lack of sound judgement. Next.
"They melt down into cute paperweights."
"They make even an effeminate guy like me look tough."
"The smell of gun oil."
"They're an effective prop when pimping myself to the NRA."
A good follow up question for Giuliani would be which twists and turns on the lawsuit don’t you like?
I doubt Hanniity will ask him that question.
I have a very good friend who will tell you otherwise. September 11 was a turning point for him; up till then, guns were an afterthought.
So yes, it can happen that someone has the light bulb go on just that quickly. All those little snippets runing around in your head can suddenly come together and make sense when called upon in the right combination.
The impeccable timing of Mr. Giuliani's revelation, however, is another story. ;-)
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I agree. Hillary must not win at all costs. Rudy is the only chance we have as a party to pull the independents (who have turned to the democrats) back towards the right. No candidate is ever perfect, and Fred is a lot more moderate than what you give credit for.
Either way, at all costs, we must prevent Hitlery from taking the Oath.
Rudy is really flailing about in his attempt to rationalize his “Paul on the road to Damascus” conversion on gun rights.
I’d respect him more if he just said, “Hey, I’m a politician, I do what I have to do and say what I have to say to get elected. Then, it was NYC. Now, it’s the USA.”
I tend to agree...
Actually, I remember that. The fact that someone like me, who spends a solid 4-5 hours a day following politics forgot tells you all you need to know about Keyes. I like the guy, but he is a waste of time. If you really want to get behind a candidate like that, why not just make Ronald Reagan your guy.
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