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Why are Ron Paul Detractors so Frightened? (American Chronicle)
American Chronicle ^ | 9/26/07 | Szandor Blestman

Posted on 09/26/2007 11:45:25 AM PDT by traviskicks

The other day I was driving past a very busy Intersection in my neck of the woods and I noticed a Ron Paul Revolution sign had gone up. There were a couple more on the toll way that some farmer had put up. These were put there on private property by people that most likely were not paid to do so. That’s the way Ron Paul supporters are. They don’t have to be asked to do something for their candidate. They don’t have to be told to go out and campaign. They simply do what they can, or what they think needs to be done. Most are extremely enthusiastic about Ron Paul, and some would say they are too enthusiastic. Perhaps they are right and in some cases Ron Paul supporters get a little overbearing in their zeal, but that is to be expected. After all, when was the last time we saw an honest politician in this country? When was the last time a politician spoke of adhering to the constitution? Oh sure, they’ve always been there, lurking on the outside of the establishment, staring through the windows of the halls of power at two major parties like bums passing a mansion and longing for just a taste of the good life as the Democrats and Republicans pass laws making it harder and harder for them to ever get elected. This is the first time in a long time a major party candidate has come out with a message of hope and freedom and of smaller, limited, less intrusive government. It is a message that he backs up with his voting record. It is this message that has gotten his supporters so excited. Many of Ron Paul’s supporters might not have supported anyone in this campaign had Ron Paul decided not to run. No other candidate, either Republican or Democrat, espouses the principles Ron Paul supports. All the other candidates support big government programs and proclaim big government is the answer to everything that ails our society. Those of us who realize this is not true and who simply want to be left to decide for ourselves what paths we will take in our lives have found a champion in Ron Paul. His candidacy has given many of us someone to vote for rather than someone to vote against. His candidacy has given many of us something to vote for other than the lesser of two evils.

Yet the enthusiasm and excitement expressed by Ron Paul’s supporters seems to have spawned a community of fellows vehemently opposed to Ron Paul. As I go through posts and read through blogs, it seems to me that many of these people are frightened by something. There’s something about their insistence, their passion about the "evil" of Ron Paul and the seemingly supernatural power of his “few” supporters to be able to hijack opinion polls, phone polls, and dominate Internet blogs, there’s something about the demeanor of these folks that suggests to my mind that they are terrified. There’s something even more disturbing about the way the mass media ignores or portrays him. All this has caused me to wonder, what are these Ron Paul detractors so frightened of? I have spent some time in the blogosphere in an effort to ascertain the answer to this question and to assuage their fear. Of course, I don’t expect to be able to convince everyone that there is nothing to fear from a Ron Paul victory, there are people who no matter how hard you argue, no matter how much reason you apply to the argument, will simply refuse to listen. They will not give up their beliefs. I hope to reach those who are on the fence, who are intrigued by Ron Paul’s ideas but are worried about all the negative rhetoric spewed forth by those afraid of real change.

One of the first things I notice about Ron Paul detractors is how often they call Ron Paul and his supporters names. To be fair, I’ve also seen Ron Paul supporters calling his detractors names, which I also think is wrong. As Ron Paul supporters, we should be able to recognize name calling for the juvenile practice it is and avoid that tactic. I know that’s hard to do when the mud starts flying. I realize that when someone insults you it is a natural tendency to insult them back, but we need to remember that name calling accomplishes nothing and serves only to inflame the emotions of those involved. We should let Ron Paul’s detractors show their true colors with their cutesy, middle school barbs like Paultards and Ronbots. Let them label us “crazy”, “conspiracy theorists” and whatever else they want to label us as. So what? Take a deep breath and let the name calling roll off your shoulders. It is more important to get Ron Paul’s message of personal responsibility and smaller, less intrusive government out there. It is time for us to grow up. It is time for us to reclaim out freedoms, to demand them back, and in the process get our lives back, free from government intervention.

Still, some Ron Paul detractors do talk about the issues. They have addressed their fears and stated why they are against Ron Paul. I’d like to address some of these. One of the big ones is that he’s against abortion. This is true, Ron Paul is against abortion. More specifically, he believes it should not be a constitutional issue and that the individual states should be able to decide abortion laws. He is, after all, an ob/gyn and as such has his own personal opinion on the miracle of life. Still, this is an issue where he and I actually disagree. I see abortion as a decision that should be left to the woman and her doctor and perhaps her family. Government should not be involved. But all this is beside the point. In my opinion, this country has far, far more important issues to worry about. And those who worry about women losing the right to an abortion, fear not. President Bush is also against abortions and he was not able to make them illegal in this country even with a Republican congress and a supreme court leaning his way.

Some detractors have expressed fear that Ron Paul is an isolationist. That is not so. Sure, he wants to bring our troops home from around the world. This is something he would actually have the power to do, should he become president. He wants to end our wars of aggression and bring the troops back home to protect our borders. Isn’t that what the military is for? Do we have to police the world? I don’t believe we should. I say it’s time we stopped trying to dictate to the world how to run their countries and remove the threat of force our military poses. I say it's time we stopped nation building. Just because he wants to bring the soldiers home does not mean he is an isolationist. He would still want to do business with the rest of the world. The difference is, he would not be doing business at the point of a gun, rather we would all be interacting on a voluntary basis. Sure, competition would increase, but fear not. I have faith in the American people. I think we can take on competition and come out ahead. We don’t need to force our will upon others in order to remain on top of the heap. We can lead by example and show the world that free markets are the way to improve the quality of everyone’s life. I believe that left to our own devices our ideas and innovations will help improve the world for all mankind.

I read one detractor claim that Ron Paul is racist. When I see the label “racist” used, I instantly question the author’s motive. When one uses such a name it seems to be an attempt to evoke emotion in the reader and cause one to instantly ostracize the subject on the basis that this person has an opinion that is so onerous as to be socially unacceptable. Now, I don’t know Ron Paul personally, so I can’t say for certain whether he is or isn’t a racist, but I can say that I seriously doubt it. Apparently, the claim that he is a racist came from some sort of newsletter that he sent out where one of his people made an unseemly comment that some interpreted as racist. Ron Paul apologized for the comment and fired the offending staffer. I would bet that just about everyone has said something at some point in time that could be considered racist. This does not make the person racist. As it is, Ron Paul has himself addressed this issue. Some of his thoughts on racism can be found here:

http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul381.html

I believe that fear is unfounded.

Some detractors have expressed fear that Ron Paul’s stance on taxes and the Federal Reserve will lead to economic collapse. First off, why should a privately owned organization have a monopoly on our money when the constitution explicitly gives the House of Representatives the power “To coin money, regulate the value thereof, and of foreign coin, and fix the standard of weights and measures.” Why should our tax dollars go to pay the interest on trillions of dollars in loans when congress can order the creation of treasury notes interest free? Personally, I’m tired of seeing the value of the dollar shrink to nothing and I’d rather have a steady, stable currency that keeps its value as we had for hundreds of years before this fiat banking system took hold around the world. There might be a short period of adjustment in the economy if Ron Paul was able to implement such a change, but sound fiscal policy and the power of free, open markets would soon right the ship. Then there are those who would ask “What about the poor?” when income taxes are done away with. Well, not having to pay taxes will certainly give you more money in your pocket. You could give the extra money you’d have to some worthy charity that helps the poor. Private enterprises taking care of charity can certainly do a better job than any government organization or plan for wealth redistribution. Again, I have faith in the American people. We are, after all, perhaps the most generous nation in the world. You should not fear changing our money system, for sometimes change is for the best and often times it comes whether you plan it or not. It’s best if that change can be controlled rather than suddenly thrust upon us.

I could go on, but I think I’ve covered the basics. Try to remember, we are in the process of selecting a president here, not a dictator or a decider. Ron Paul is the only candidate who is for a smaller government with the voting record to prove it. All the other candidates are for increasing the size of government and government’s power and control over you. Ron Paul is against the war in Iraq, and any war of aggression. He is in favor of bringing our troops home to protect our borders. He voted against the Patriot Act. He voted against the Military Commissions Act. He does not believe we should engage in entangling alliances. He believes we should maintain our national sovereignty. And, should the citizens of the United States elect him as our next president, we would be sending a clear message to our politicians that we understand what freedom is and what it means and that we want to keep our freedoms and liberties rather than letting them die under the oppressive boots of a police state. We would also be sending a message that we appreciate honesty and openness in government and we will no longer tolerate the corruption that has plagued our government for decades now. Ron Paul should frighten no one, except maybe the establishment which has been feeding at the pig trough of political power for far too long.


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This piece is not so much about Ron Paul than about the importance of civil, reasoned debate, which in some instances appears sorely lacking, especially on Ron Paul threads...
1 posted on 09/26/2007 11:45:29 AM PDT by traviskicks
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To: traviskicks

They display all the symptoms of LDS. And I don’t mean Latter Day Saints.


2 posted on 09/26/2007 11:47:34 AM PDT by GSWarrior
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To: traviskicks

Why are people frighted of scorpians? Or bums? Or snakes? Or jihadists? Drunk drivers?


3 posted on 09/26/2007 11:47:47 AM PDT by TheThirdRuffian
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To: traviskicks
This is sort of a semi follow up of another pretty good article by the American Chronicle, posted here at FR:

Bringing Politics Back to the People - The Do-It-Yourself Campaign of Ron Paul
4 posted on 09/26/2007 11:48:13 AM PDT by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/Ron_Paul_2008.htm)
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To: traviskicks

You get what you put out. The Paulbots don’t offer any rational civil debate. They merely chant their slogans and talking points. IF they ever tried actually DEBATING instead of filibustering, they might see a big difference in how they are treated.


5 posted on 09/26/2007 11:48:45 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (http://www.vetsforfreedom.org/)
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To: traviskicks

She took up a lot of space to say nothing. Afraid???? He’s a joke!


6 posted on 09/26/2007 11:50:18 AM PDT by Old Retired Army Guy (tHE)
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To: GSWarrior

Do you mean LSD?


7 posted on 09/26/2007 11:50:28 AM PDT by NeoCaveman (Hillary 2008: "The willing suspension of disbelief")
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To: traviskicks
No other candidate, either Republican or Democrat, espouses the principles Ron Paul supports. All the other candidates support big government programs and proclaim big government is the answer to everything that ails our society. Those of us who realize this is not true and who simply want to be left to decide for ourselves what paths we will take in our lives have found a champion in Ron Paul. His candidacy has given many of us someone to vote for rather than someone to vote against. His candidacy has given many of us something to vote for other than the lesser of two evils.

Refreshing to be able to enter a voting booth and vote for someone because you believe in their principles instead of voting simply because you don't want the 'other guy' to get in office

8 posted on 09/26/2007 11:51:23 AM PDT by billbears (Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it. --Santayana)
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To: MNJohnnie

I was going to say that it’s because the Paulbearers are such wingnuts, but I’ll go with your post! lol


9 posted on 09/26/2007 11:52:01 AM PDT by Fudd Fan (hey RINOs and RATs... FEAR THE FRED!!)
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To: George W. Bush

ping


10 posted on 09/26/2007 11:52:59 AM PDT by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/Ron_Paul_2008.htm)
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To: traviskicks

Why do Ron Paul supporters think that disagreeing with their candidate means that people are “frightened” of him?


11 posted on 09/26/2007 11:53:32 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (Libertarians want the freedom, but not the self-control or responsibility that comes with it.)
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To: traviskicks
RIGHT here. I will highlight the over the top hysteric rhetoric that flow out of the Paulbots for you. THIS sort of uncivil, hysteric ignorant demagoguery shows the Paulbots want a level of civility extended TO them that they refuse to extend TOWARDS anyone who disagrees with their fevered devotion to Paul

From the article I could go on, but I think I’ve covered the basics. Try to remember, we are in the process of selecting a president here, not a dictator or a decider

. Ron Paul is the only candidate who is for a smaller government with the voting record to prove it. All the other candidates are for increasing the size of government and government’s power and control over you. Ron Paul is against the war in Iraq, and any war of aggression. He is in favor of bringing our troops home to protect our borders.

EVERY single statement about is factually untrue. A base slander of all the other Presidential candidate. So if the Paulbots are upset at the fire given BACK at them, perhaps they should stop dishing it out.

More trash talking from this article And, should the citizens of the United States elect him as our next president, we would be sending a clear message to our politicians that we understand what freedom is and what it means and that we want to keep our freedoms and liberties rather than letting them die under the oppressive boots of a police state.

Ron Paul should frighten no one, except maybe the establishment which has been feeding at the pig trough of political power for far too long.

So if you don't like what you are getting sent AT you Paulbots, quit dishing it out.

12 posted on 09/26/2007 11:56:12 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (http://www.vetsforfreedom.org/)
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To: NeoCaveman

Libertarian Derangement Syndrome


13 posted on 09/26/2007 11:56:35 AM PDT by GSWarrior
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To: billbears
You voted for Buchanan in 2000 saying the same thing.
14 posted on 09/26/2007 11:57:48 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (http://www.vetsforfreedom.org/)
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To: traviskicks

“This piece is not so much about Ron Paul than about the importance of civil, reasoned debate, which in some instances appears sorely lacking, especially on Ron Paul threads...”

So she starts out labeling it fear, I guess that “code pink” annoys everyone, including the Paul supporters at StormFront, but it doesn’t mean that they are afraid of them.

It just means that they are annoying and pushing themselves into everyones face, like the Paul people spamming FR.

If the Lyndon LaRouche people start imposing themselves all over the internet, they would start getting backlash too.


15 posted on 09/26/2007 11:58:14 AM PDT by ansel12 (Proud father of a 10th Mountain veteran. Proud son of a WWII vet. Proud brother of vets.)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

“Why do Ron Paul supporters think that disagreeing with their candidate means that people are “frightened” of him?”

Because they seek to minimize your arguments and portray you as emotionally weak.


16 posted on 09/26/2007 11:58:41 AM PDT by driftdiver
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To: traviskicks

Why is Ron Paul afraid to admit that the ONLY reason that he claims to be a “Republican” is that it’s the only way that he could be elected in the 17th congressional district?


17 posted on 09/26/2007 11:59:13 AM PDT by Howie66 (To the RAT Party: How can I question your patriotism? You have none, so what's your point?)
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To: traviskicks
His candidacy has given many of us someone to vote for rather than someone to vote against.

Speaking of voting against. Paul voted against tightening sanctions against President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and his government and a call to designate his army a terrorist group.

. Congress Denounces Iran's Ahmadinejad [Ron Paul moves to the left of Kucinich; votes nay].
18 posted on 09/26/2007 11:59:35 AM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it!)
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To: traviskicks
All I read was the headline...that was enough for me.

Reasoned, civil debate? That's not what I saw of RP's emotional response in the last debate I saw, his strident cry to bring the troops home.

Between Dubya, Rick Perry, and Ron Paul, maybe it's time for Texas to step back and regroup, and try to elect conservatives.

19 posted on 09/26/2007 11:59:43 AM PDT by Night Hides Not (Chuck Hagel makes Joe Biden look like a statesman!)
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To: traviskicks

I’m just surprised at how many stupid Ron Paul supporters not frighten.


20 posted on 09/26/2007 12:00:35 PM PDT by bmwcyle (BOMB, BOMB, BOMB,.......BOMB, BOMB IRAN)
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To: traviskicks
The main thing that scares me about Paul is if he becomes Commander in Chief. He harks back to an old isolationist prewar (WWII) wing of the Republican Party. We all remember where that got us. This would be far worse.

I like him, but not for President.

21 posted on 09/26/2007 12:03:28 PM PDT by NathanR ( Duncan Hunter for SecDef)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
Why do Ron Paul supporters think that disagreeing with their candidate means that people are “frightened” of him?

They really don't -- it just makes (some of) them feel really good to believe it. Boosts the ego and all. An old and tired tactic.

22 posted on 09/26/2007 12:03:29 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo ("Hidin' in a corner ...of New York City, lookin' down a .44 in West Virginy")
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To: Lazarus Longer

Exactly...


23 posted on 09/26/2007 12:10:08 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (I don't use a sarcasm tag, it kills the effect...)
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To: MNJohnnie
You voted for Buchanan in 2000 saying the same thing.

I did?!? That's news to me. But hey repeat a lie enough and it becomes truth right? Anyway only the 'Paulbots don’t offer any rational civil debate'. Didn't realize an out and out lie fell under 'rational civil debate'.

24 posted on 09/26/2007 12:10:40 PM PDT by billbears (Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it. --Santayana)
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To: GSWarrior

Kirk said that about Spock.


25 posted on 09/26/2007 12:11:01 PM PDT by isom35
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
Why do Ron Paul supporters think that disagreeing with their candidate means that people are “frightened” of him?

It's wishful thinking.

If this was truly the case, I guess that means we were all "frightened" of John Kerry in '04. LOL!

26 posted on 09/26/2007 12:14:53 PM PDT by KJC1
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To: MNJohnnie
Ron Paul is against the war in Iraq, and any war of aggression. He is in favor of bringing our troops home to protect our borders.

That one statement sums up almost the entirety of my problem with RP, bar a couple of nits to pick.

The world doesn't work like this anymore. Protecting our borders is no longer an affair for some well armed men, they cannot stop all modern attack methods and there is no way to effectively protect the entire border physically anyways. I am not just talking about just Mexico either.

We have to be engaged economically, politically and militarily on the world stage. There is no other way in a 21st Century world. Not pursuing our defense in an aggressive and proactive fashion is why we are where we are now.

Fear Ron Paul, no, but what could happen if he rose to the office, yes, I will freely admit the risk scares the hell out of me. We will be blind and helpless until AFTER an attack, then he is all about taking care of what and who would be left.

27 posted on 09/26/2007 12:19:54 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (I don't use a sarcasm tag, it kills the effect...)
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To: MNJohnnie
You get what you put out. The Paulbots don’t offer any rational civil debate. They merely chant their slogans and talking points. IF they ever tried actually DEBATING instead of filibustering, they might see a big difference in how they are treated.

This is very true. If you go back to Paul threads from five or six months ago, they aren't like what they are now. There was actually attempt to debate until we would get 20 paragraph cut and paste pontifications by Paul from articles he wrote for Lew Rockwell or on his site and the constant claim that he is the only real conservative (sic). The real marginalizing didn't come until we started to hear Paul speak at the debates and people started rabidly making excuses for everything he said. That took him out of the candidate column and into the joke of the day column.

28 posted on 09/26/2007 12:20:07 PM PDT by mnehring (!! Warning, Quoting Ron Paul Supporters can be Hazardous to your Reputation !!)
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To: MNJohnnie
He is in favor of bringing our troops home to protect our borders.

Actually not, he may say this, but when the opportunity came up to vote to put the troops on the border, he voted no (actually, several times.)

29 posted on 09/26/2007 12:21:40 PM PDT by mnehring (!! Warning, Quoting Ron Paul Supporters can be Hazardous to your Reputation !!)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

“Why do Ron Paul supporters think that disagreeing with their candidate means that people are “frightened” of him?”

Interesting to see Paul supporters using the same tactics as the gay lobby. We can’t merely be of the opinion that he not the man for the job, we have to “phobes” of some sort.


30 posted on 09/26/2007 12:26:46 PM PDT by L98Fiero (A fool who'll waste his life, God rest his guts.)
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To: traviskicks
LOL, sort of like homophobia? If you speak up about adult men having anal sex and telling our kids it’s OK, normal, and natural?

Maybe its a little fear for our kids future, but more like disgust.

As with RP, a disgust that he uses the parlance of the conspraozoid leftists, and uses people like Alex Jones to collect bloodmoney from aiders and abettors of our enemy on the battlefield. And a fear that he is further nuttering up our college kids.

31 posted on 09/26/2007 12:29:00 PM PDT by roses of sharon
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To: traviskicks

Frightened?

Get over yourself.


32 posted on 09/26/2007 12:31:11 PM PDT by Petronski (Congratulations Tribe! AL Central Champs)
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To: NeoCaveman; GSWarrior

I thought he was refering to Spock who did too much LDS in the sixties. My apologies if you aren’t a Star Trek fan.


33 posted on 09/26/2007 12:32:27 PM PDT by AxelPaulsenJr (Vote for the Republican nominee.......)
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To: TheThirdRuffian

I’m a strong supporter of Ron Paul, at least on the odd numbered days when he isn’t acting like a loon.


34 posted on 09/26/2007 12:37:55 PM PDT by OldArmy52 (Bush's Legacy: 100 million new Dem voters in next 20 yrs via the 2007 Amnesty Act.)
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To: traviskicks

Sorely lacking or invisible?


35 posted on 09/26/2007 12:41:59 PM PDT by B4Ranch (( "Freedom is not free, but don't worry the U.S. Marine Corps will pay most of your share." ))
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To: traviskicks
I'm definitely not afraid of Ron Paul or his supporters, if they want to stand around on street corners and scream his name like fools, who am I to stop them. Besides, I am easily amused and in the big picture, they are irrelevant in this election.

However, a pet peeve of mine is someone marking on currency and there are Ron Paul supporters in our area (San Antonio) that are using red ink stamps to put his website address on currency. That is against the law and comes under the jurisdiction of the United States Secret Service and they are certainly not afraid of Ron Paul or his supporters. I would suggest that it would not be wise to continue the practice, so if you are a part of the campaign, you might want to mention that to them. Thank you and have a nice day. Civil enough?

36 posted on 09/26/2007 12:43:49 PM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: MNJohnnie
Here is a perfect example for you. In this thread, I attempted to ask a question that would bring the thread to an actual debate on Presidential powers. Not only did no Paul supporters respond on the thread (only SJackson responded to the question), one Paul supporter actually e-mailed me a two word response. The first word started with F and the second word was You. (I know it was a Paul supporter because they also e-mailed me about being banned from the site and showed a post with their former Freep handle.) 3 subsequent e-mails from this person all contained those infamous two words as well as other threats.

The funny part was that they used an old e-mail address I forgot was on here and instead of going to my private e-mail, it went to an e-mail newsgroup on eLearning that I run. This group has over 100 members from around the country and they all saw this as a representative of a Paul supporter. When the Admin of the group e-mailed this person back to ask to please refrain from using that language, the Paul supporter sent them an attacking e-mail.

Paul supporters have far too thin of skin to be playing the political game.

37 posted on 09/26/2007 12:44:11 PM PDT by mnehring (!! Warning, Quoting Ron Paul Supporters can be Hazardous to your Reputation !!)
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To: traviskicks

“This piece is not so much about Ron Paul than about the importance of civil, reasoned debate, which in some instances appears sorely lacking, especially on Ron Paul threads...”

It sure didn’t take long for the usual suspects to prove you right.


38 posted on 09/26/2007 12:44:47 PM PDT by AmericanHunter
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To: traviskicks

Congressman Ron Paul Archives...

http://tinyurl.com/3yb9oe
http://tinyurl.com/3yb9oe


39 posted on 09/26/2007 12:45:49 PM PDT by gunnyg
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To: ravingnutter

Just an FYI, here is where the dollar stamps are coming from.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=7671

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/archive/index.php/t-6008.html

http://www.ronpaulstamps.com


40 posted on 09/26/2007 12:47:03 PM PDT by mnehring (!! Warning, Quoting Ron Paul Supporters can be Hazardous to your Reputation !!)
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To: ravingnutter

Also, just to let you know, campaign staffers who are mods on that forum have officially said the campaign does not like the idea of stamping bills.


41 posted on 09/26/2007 12:50:53 PM PDT by mnehring (!! Warning, Quoting Ron Paul Supporters can be Hazardous to your Reputation !!)
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To: traviskicks

My Boston Terrier,while admittedly on the gassy side, is more trustworthy to guard my house than Ron.


42 posted on 09/26/2007 12:51:30 PM PDT by Cosmo (Liberalism is for girls)
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To: AxelPaulsenJr; isom35

Spock has Libertarian Derangement Syndrome? Did he get it from those plants that sprayed pollen in the faces of the crew?


43 posted on 09/26/2007 12:52:29 PM PDT by GSWarrior
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To: Fudd Fan

I guess people are scared of this traitor sitting in congress never mind the oval office


44 posted on 09/26/2007 12:54:30 PM PDT by italianquaker (Is there anything Ron Paul doesn't blame the USA for?)
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To: mnehrling
Here is a perfect example for you. In this thread, I attempted to ask a question that would bring the thread to an actual debate on Presidential powers. Not only did no Paul supporters respond on the thread (only SJackson responded to the question), one Paul supporter actually e-mailed me a two word response.

Paul supporters never respond to specifics.

I admit, I only ask for responses because I'm terrified by the fire and brimstone of the all knowing one who channels the Founders, but I only get that in soundbites.

A couple threads from four years ago below, on one on Paul's famous pronouncements.

I think it's fair to say he didn't get much support here then. People have been afraid of the Paul intellect, and the intellect of his supporters for years. Thus they disagree.

We've Been Neo-Conned!

Neo-conned

45 posted on 09/26/2007 12:54:31 PM PDT by SJackson (isolationism never was, never will be acceptable response to[expansionist] tyrannical governments)
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To: GSWarrior
just, damn...

46 posted on 09/26/2007 12:59:07 PM PDT by evets (beer)
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To: ravingnutter
civil enough. :)

However, I'm not sure what they are doing is illegal: http://www.bep.treas.gov/document.cfm/18/104

I am not a part of this and I doubt the central HQ, who really have very little control over the movement are involved.

And as far as being irrelevant, I think little by little they are adding support:


47 posted on 09/26/2007 1:01:07 PM PDT by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/Ron_Paul_2008.htm)
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To: mnehrling
Ha...their justification is that it doesn’t make them unusable? Wrong...I won’t accept one from any cashier, it is too embarrassing to spend them anywhere. I don’t want anyone thinking I would support a cut and run politician.
48 posted on 09/26/2007 1:02:15 PM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: SJackson

I need to bookmark that second one.. ouch.


49 posted on 09/26/2007 1:03:10 PM PDT by mnehring (!! Warning, Quoting Ron Paul Supporters can be Hazardous to your Reputation !!)
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To: traviskicks
Ron Paul threads...
50 posted on 09/26/2007 1:06:03 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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